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Posted: 1/17/2015 5:04:32 AM EDT
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Id get a bunch of cheap 115gr like wwb, but the 147gr seems to recoil the lightest. If you have a full size gun it wont really matter
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Posted: 1/17/2015 5:38:01 PM EDT
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I've never carried them, don't see the advantage. I do notice a bit more recoil which I don't like.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 5:55:45 PM EDT
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I cut my teeth on 44 mag so the difference between 115 and 147 is barely noticable.
I've always preferred 124gr Gold Dot ammunition. That weight seems to be a good balance of weight and velocity. Aside from blasting ammo I never use 115gr weights in my 9mm. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 8:10:45 PM EDT
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For a class I would buy either 115gr or 124gr FMJ rounds unless the handgun class your taking requires a mix of FMJ and JHP rounds. I know Winchester is making 147gr training rounds which work in my 9mm gun. Unless your 9mm is picky about the ammo you use the buy a differed brand of FMJ like WWB, PMC, Fiocchi or other brands of FMJ rounds and be sure your pistol will reliably cycle the rounds.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 1:12:35 AM EDT
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9mm NATO is the standard, if one exists.
But the 147Gn usually have the best performance and in my experiance are more accurate than 115 or 124. But for class, use whatever is cheapest that you know works 100% in your gun. I used authentic nato ball once in a class and the instructor couldnt believe it was a 9mm because it was so much louder than everything else in the class. Must have been a particularly warm lot. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 1:03:47 PM EDT
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the 147Gn . . . in my experiance are more accurate than 115 or 124. All of the groups pictured below are 10-shot groups of hand-loaded XTP bullets fired from a distance of 25 yards. 
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:26:03 PM EDT
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Dang, but I do like your posts Molon. :)
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Posted: 1/19/2015 3:13:49 PM EDT
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The reason why the 147gr bullet isn't standard is because Georg Luger chose the 124gr truncated FMJ as the Luger's standard load.
The 147gr bullet only became popular after the myopic FBI adopted the Win 147JHP Type-L OSM subsonic round after their '86 Miami incident (a load that was NEVER designed as a SD pistol load in the first place). If you're looking for ammo strictly for training purposes any of the standard weight loads (115, 124 and 147) should fit the bill nicely, though the 147gr loads may cost you more than the lighter weight loads. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 5:15:55 PM EDT
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Seems most people recommend carrying 147gr hollowpoints for 9mm... so why isn't 147gr the most commonly available version? I guess people could say cost... but doesn't the 147gr have a big difference in recoil compared to the 115gr? I'll go with cost. Big difference in recoil? Maybe if you've got calibrated hands. I can't tell the difference. I'm a newb though. I can't even tell the difference between 450 ft-lb 10mm-lite and 680-700 ft-lb 10mm. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 12:34:55 AM EDT
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I carry 147 gr Gold Dots, but in classes I just grab 115 gr since it's cheap and easy to find in bulk. All my guns seem to prefer different loading a or weights though. My G17s love the 147 gr, G26 likes 11 5gr, and my G19 does best with the (I think it's Federal) 135 gr loading.
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Posted: 1/27/2015 9:28:34 AM EDT
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I suspect that the 'reduced recoil' of the 147's is because the recoil is slower-feeling; more of a roll than a snap. I've had more than one person I was introducing to shooting prefer the heavy-bullet loads because "they kicked less". Even had one lady prefer a 45acp 1911 over a beretta 9mm, because of the same 'roll vs. snap' recoil thing.
I'm not all that finicky, I think there are good loads in 115, 124, and 147 all three. To me, the main time I use 147's (and 158's occasionally) is when wanting to stay subsonic thru a suppressor. Other than that, I believe bullet design is more important than bullet weight. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:29:47 AM EDT
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The 147gr bullet only became popular after the myopic FBI adopted the Win 147JHP Type-L OSM subsonic round after their '86 Miami incident (a load that was NEVER designed as a SD pistol load in the first place).
Sorry, the WW147HP military subsonic submachine gun load was never intended to be a standard load. The 9mm 147 HydraShok was the duty load. The WW147HP load was just a practice load or a HK load in silenced form. The WW load was so weak, it would not operate a lot of pistols. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 12:44:53 PM EDT
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All of the groups pictured below are 10-shot groups of hand-loaded XTP bullets fired from a distance of 25 . …. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the 147Gn . . . in my experiance are more accurate than 115 or 124. All of the groups pictured below are 10-shot groups of hand-loaded XTP bullets fired from a distance of 25 . …. XTP bullets seem to be very accurate in every load that I have tried. To the OP, for a pistol class, any ammo that functions your gun will probably do. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 1:07:45 PM EDT
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The reason why the 147gr bullet isn't standard is because Georg Luger chose the 124gr truncated FMJ as the Luger's standard load. The 147gr bullet only became popular after the myopic FBI adopted the Win 147JHP Type-L OSM subsonic round after their '86 Miami incident (a load that was NEVER designed as a SD pistol load in the first place). If you're looking for ammo strictly for training purposes any of the standard weight loads (115, 124 and 147) should fit the bill nicely, though the 147gr loads may cost you more than the lighter weight loads. as a reloader i stick to this ''thinking''. 124\9mm,158\357,240\44 and 230\45acp. hasn't been a problem finding an acceptable load. clown |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 2:53:18 PM EDT
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the 147Gn . . . in my experiance are more accurate than 115 or 124. All of the groups pictured below are 10-shot groups of hand-loaded XTP bullets fired from a distance of 25 . …. XTP bullets seem to be very accurate in every load that I have tried. Indeed, although the single most consistently accurate 9mm projectile that I've tested so far has been the 125 grain HAP. The 10-shot group pictured below has an extreme spread of 0.413". 
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Posted: 2/1/2015 6:12:27 PM EDT
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Indeed, although the single most consistently accurate 9mm projectile that I've tested so far has been the 125 grain HAP. The 10-shot group pictured below has an extreme spread of 0.413". https://app.box.com/shared/static/q1fznfmm8c.jpg .... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the 147Gn . . . in my experiance are more accurate than 115 or 124. All of the groups pictured below are 10-shot groups of hand-loaded XTP bullets fired from a distance of 25 . …. XTP bullets seem to be very accurate in every load that I have tried. Indeed, although the single most consistently accurate 9mm projectile that I've tested so far has been the 125 grain HAP. The 10-shot group pictured below has an extreme spread of 0.413". https://app.box.com/shared/static/q1fznfmm8c.jpg .... Edit: Sorry, I put my response in the middle of your text. Molon, very good data....as always Sir. Couple of questions, if you would. What gun? Also, what kind of velocity and all are you getting off of the 90 grainers? I would think that may be a handy load, if driven pretty fast. No? |
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Posted: 2/4/2015 3:04:49 AM EDT
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See edit.
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:13:19 PM EDT
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Couple of questions, if you would. What gun? Also, what kind of velocity and all are you getting off of the 90 grainers? Colt 6450 with a free-floated Noveske barrel. 
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Posted: 2/5/2015 9:18:02 PM EDT
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Indeed, although the single most consistently accurate 9mm projectile that I've tested so far has been the 125 grain HAP. The 10-shot group pictured below has an extreme spread of 0.413". https://app.box.com/shared/static/q1fznfmm8c.jpg .... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the 147Gn . . . in my experiance are more accurate than 115 or 124. All of the groups pictured below are 10-shot groups of hand-loaded XTP bullets fired from a distance of 25 . …. XTP bullets seem to be very accurate in every load that I have tried. Indeed, although the single most consistently accurate 9mm projectile that I've tested so far has been the 125 grain HAP. The 10-shot group pictured below has an extreme spread of 0.413". https://app.box.com/shared/static/q1fznfmm8c.jpg .... OK, THAT'S IT! Molon for President. Your posts are superb. |
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Posted: 2/5/2015 10:54:59 PM EDT
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I think 124 grain is a nice in between. A fairly heavy bullet but still has great velocity. My all time favorite blasting ammo is IMI 124gr. Probably the closest to NATO spec. Another really good one is Winchester 124 NATO, they both have primer sealant which I like.
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Posted: 2/6/2015 12:13:40 PM EDT
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I think 124 grain is a nice in between. A fairly heavy bullet but still has great velocity. My all time favorite blasting ammo is IMI 124gr. Probably the closest to NATO spec. Another really good one is Winchester 124 NATO, they both have primer sealant which I like. Have you tried the ZQI 9mm load? It's 124 grain and supposedly NATO spec ammo. |
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Posted: 2/6/2015 11:11:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think 124 grain is a nice in between. A fairly heavy bullet but still has great velocity. My all time favorite blasting ammo is IMI 124gr. Probably the closest to NATO spec. Another really good one is Winchester 124 NATO, they both have primer sealant which I like. |
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Posted: 2/7/2015 10:48:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:IMI 124 is NATO qualified.
The stuff currently available at Widener's is not loaded to NATO specs. It'll specifically say NATO on the exterior packaging when it is loaded to those specs. This is: http://shop.imi-ammo.com/Details.aspx?itemNo=IMI9MM This is, too: http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?i=779088 The brown box IMI non-NATO load is still some of the best stuff you can buy, it's just not as hot as the NATO one. |
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Posted: 2/18/2015 12:22:46 PM EDT
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Noticed they lowered their prices on the website you mentioned too on both 9mm 115/124 and 5.56, case pricing is pretty good for IMI
http://shop.imi-ammo.com/Details.aspx?itemNo=M193C http://shop.imi-ammo.com/Details.aspx?itemNo=124GR FMJ1K |
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Posted: 2/21/2015 11:14:24 AM EDT
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Seems most people recommend carrying 147gr hollowpoints for 9mm... so why isn't 147gr the most commonly available version? I guess people could say cost... but doesn't the 147gr have a big difference in recoil compared to the 115gr? Just asking since I'm signed up for a handgun course in another 2 months... and need to buy up 1500-2000 rounds of 9mm soon. Haven't decided what gr 9mm to get! I'll make it easy for you... For your course, buy bulk from SGAMMO.COM. Get either the Federal Lawman 124gr or the Blazer Brass 124gr. You could go 115 grain, also, if you like, but I prefer 124's myself. http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammunition/9mm-9x19 As for why people like the HST's in 147 grain, it's because they consistently show monster expansion, up to around .75 inch max, and adequate penetration of 12 to 14 inches in gel. They're just the popular thing these days, mostly because of Youtube video tests. I'm looking for more penetration when I buy. I carry the HST 147's, but have been looking into Hornady Critical Duty 135gr. They don't expand as much, but they penetrate deeply, and expand enough. When it comes down to it, most any top load in 124 grain, and a select few in 147 grain, are going to perform, if you do your part. Choose what works best in your gun, and feels best to you. |
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Posted: 2/21/2015 11:37:48 AM EDT
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because 147 is more for suppressors. heavier and slower
thats why i go 147 +p a heavier bullet at a faster speed though to be honest any hst round if it gets to flesh is going to be a bad day |
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