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Posted: 6/17/2014 12:27:00 AM EDT
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Bought some of this the other night for the first time. I have heard the stories about how it's underpowered and not reliable in some weapons. Bought it anyway, my kid wants to go to the range this weekend and I'm low on 9 mil at the moment. I cracked a box opened and was astonished by how tarnished/dirty looking the brass was and how quite a few of the bullets had small dents in them. Is this normal for this stuff? I assume they use a plated bullet. It would be pretty hard to dent a normal jacketed bullet. That's normal. They use really thin plating, which is the reason for the "Not for LE" and "Not for ported/com'd barrels" warnings on the back of the box. The cases aren't polished or anything special, either. But with that being said, the stuff runs pretty well for the price. I chrono'd some as a comparison to some other 9mm ammo last month and the results were pretty good. Certainly not as underpowered as it has a reputation for being/used to be. The article isn't about Champion, but the Champion chrono results are on the right side of the chart FWIW: Freedom/Champion Chrono Results Short version is that it averaged 1195 out of a 5" barrel, which makes minor PF. I still prefer Winchester White Box for about the same $$, but the Champion is decent range ammo. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 11:12:28 AM EDT
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"Champion" is one of ATK's discount brands. I find it has a little bit more power and burns a little cleaner than WWB (but not much) based on running both through my Cx4. Like the other guy said, it is good basic range fodder but don't use it for anything serious.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 1:49:13 PM EDT
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"Champion" is one of ATK's discount brands. I find it has a little bit more power and burns a little cleaner than WWB (but not much) based on running both through my Cx4. Like the other guy said, it is good basic range fodder but don't use it for anything serious. That's odd. Champion usually chronos at about the lowest of the bunch, WWB has been ~50-60 fps faster and has more recoil. Both are pretty dirty but I personally had the most issues with Federal as it didn't even have enough pressure to obturate the brass in the chamber and I had soot down the side of every fired case. |
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Posted: 6/30/2014 9:13:46 AM EDT
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I've shot a thousands of rounds of Federal Champion 9mm, .40S&W, & .45acp. It's a little dirty, relatively accurate, and reliable. I've not had one problem with it. It doesn't look as pretty as Blazer Brass or PMC but it's great bulk ammo OP.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 8:03:15 PM EDT
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I've been shooting a lot of the Federal Champion 100 packs since Walmart carries it and it's pretty much the only cheap 9mm ammo I can find close by. I haven't had a single problem of any kind. It cycled and fired just fine out of a brand new HK P30L which are known for needing a bit of a break in before they are reliable with 115gr...or so I've read. Fed Champion and Winchester 100 packs are my go to for cheap range ammo. Neither have given me anything but joyous days of smoky bliss at the range
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Posted: 6/30/2014 11:36:40 PM EDT
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I've been shooting a lot of the Federal Champion 100 packs since Walmart carries it and it's pretty much the only cheap 9mm ammo I can find close by. I haven't had a single problem of any kind. It cycled and fired just fine out of a brand new HK P30L which are known for needing a bit of a break in before they are reliable with 115gr...or so I've read. Fed Champion and Winchester 100 packs are my go to for cheap range ammo. Neither have given me anything but joyous days of smoky bliss at the range .Good to hear. |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 3:32:57 PM EDT
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Before I started reloading I shot that champion whenever I could find it at Walmart.
I do not recall having any stoppages out of P2000, P30, 226 or BHP
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Posted: 7/5/2014 9:46:40 AM EDT
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That's odd. Champion usually chronos at about the lowest of the bunch, WWB has been ~50-60 fps faster and has more recoil. Both are pretty dirty but I personally had the most issues with Federal as it didn't even have enough pressure to obturate the brass in the chamber and I had soot down the side of every fired case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Champion" is one of ATK's discount brands. I find it has a little bit more power and burns a little cleaner than WWB (but not much) based on running both through my Cx4. Like the other guy said, it is good basic range fodder but don't use it for anything serious. That's odd. Champion usually chronos at about the lowest of the bunch, WWB has been ~50-60 fps faster and has more recoil. Both are pretty dirty but I personally had the most issues with Federal as it didn't even have enough pressure to obturate the brass in the chamber and I had soot down the side of every fired case. Champion is definitely loaded lighter than WWB as a general rule, but my recent chrono results through a 5" barrel have been closer than I've seen in the past. I think WWB was about 25 fps hotter last time I tested. I can't find my notes though so I guess I'm doing it again lol |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 12:02:05 PM EDT
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Champion is definitely loaded lighter than WWB as a general rule, but my recent chrono results through a 5" barrel have been closer than I've seen in the past. I think WWB was about 25 fps hotter last time I tested. I can't find my notes though so I guess I'm doing it again lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Champion" is one of ATK's discount brands. I find it has a little bit more power and burns a little cleaner than WWB (but not much) based on running both through my Cx4. Like the other guy said, it is good basic range fodder but don't use it for anything serious. That's odd. Champion usually chronos at about the lowest of the bunch, WWB has been ~50-60 fps faster and has more recoil. Both are pretty dirty but I personally had the most issues with Federal as it didn't even have enough pressure to obturate the brass in the chamber and I had soot down the side of every fired case. Champion is definitely loaded lighter than WWB as a general rule, but my recent chrono results through a 5" barrel have been closer than I've seen in the past. I think WWB was about 25 fps hotter last time I tested. I can't find my notes though so I guess I'm doing it again lol I have not run either load past a chrono. I based my statement regarding velocity (possibly wrong) on my experience running both loads through my CX4. While it will fully function with both loads, it cycles VERY sluggish with both the WWB and the Fed. Champion. However, it is noticeably more sluggish with the WWB. My CX4 runs like a muscle car with any full-powered load (NATO-spec, CIP-spec., premium SD/HD loads, etc.). For me, WWB is the dirtiest ammo (clean-up wise) I have ever come acrosss. |
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Posted: 7/15/2014 12:21:02 AM EDT
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No issues for me with M&P FS, XDS, or SR9c.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 10:20:23 AM EDT
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No issues here out of a M&P, Glock 17 and 19, Beretta 92.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 8:08:28 PM EDT
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I use lots of Federal Champion 9mm 115gr, it is my go to range ammo, I never have problems with it out of a G19 or a CZ75B.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 1:29:47 PM EDT
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Bought some of this the other night for the first time. I have heard the stories about how it's underpowered and not reliable in some weapons. Bought it anyway, my kid wants to go to the range this weekend and I'm low on 9 mil at the moment. I cracked a box opened and was astonished by how tarnished/dirty looking the brass was and how quite a few of the bullets had small dents in them. Is this normal for this stuff? I assume they use a plated bullet. It would be pretty hard to dent a normal jacketed bullet. During the ammunition shortage, I noticed that those very lightly plated, lumpy, bumpy, disfigured and discolored bullets had found their way into other ATK loadings, like 9mm and .45 ACP Federal White Box, rather than the usual jacketed kind. Although the bullets were as ugly as hell, accuracy was pretty decent up to 15 yards; further than that it was poor for my purposes. I was just happy to get my hands on some 9mm and .45 ACP to shoot. |
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