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Posted: 3/29/2015 8:11:37 PM EDT
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i run red FO dawsons on mine. blacked out factory rear.
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Posted: 3/30/2015 12:06:24 AM EDT
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10-8 Performance fiber front and u-notch rear sight. I'd go with the .100" width front sight, and then either a .125" rear notch, or .140".
The .125" is more of a standard window, and will be very precise, the .140" will allow you to shoot faster, and once you get used to it, your precision will come back. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 11:18:06 AM EDT
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Is a sight tool necessary if I were to swap mine out?
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Posted: 3/30/2015 12:09:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is a sight tool necessary if I were to swap mine out? I've changed sights with brass punches, nylon punches, and a sight tool. The sight tool is really helpful when the sights are very very tight. Brass won't scratch the steel, but you do need to clean the tool marks off, and the nylon ones will split if the sights don't slide easily. The sight tool is also a lot faster to use, so if you're using blue loctite, that helps there as well. The hardest part of the M&P sights is that the rear sight holds the striker block spring in place. That's why Apex includes the Talon Tactical M&P rear sight tool in their kits. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 3:35:23 PM EDT
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I have Warren Tactical sights on mine and am very happy with them. 10-8 makes a good set as well.
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Posted: 3/30/2015 5:56:55 PM EDT
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Depends on how tight the new sights are or if they are tritium. I wouldn't beat on tritium sights. I've changed sights with brass punches, nylon punches, and a sight tool. The sight tool is really helpful when the sights are very very tight. Brass won't scratch the steel, but you do need to clean the tool marks off, and the nylon ones will split if the sights don't slide easily. The sight tool is also a lot faster to use, so if you're using blue loctite, that helps there as well. The hardest part of the M&P sights is that the rear sight holds the striker block spring in place. That's why Apex includes the Talon Tactical M&P rear sight tool in their kits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is a sight tool necessary if I were to swap mine out? I've changed sights with brass punches, nylon punches, and a sight tool. The sight tool is really helpful when the sights are very very tight. Brass won't scratch the steel, but you do need to clean the tool marks off, and the nylon ones will split if the sights don't slide easily. The sight tool is also a lot faster to use, so if you're using blue loctite, that helps there as well. The hardest part of the M&P sights is that the rear sight holds the striker block spring in place. That's why Apex includes the Talon Tactical M&P rear sight tool in their kits. So im looking at 200 bones to change sights on my pistol. Should have taken up knitting |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 6:59:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So im looking at 200 bones to change sights on my pistol. Should have taken up knitting Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is a sight tool necessary if I were to swap mine out? I've changed sights with brass punches, nylon punches, and a sight tool. The sight tool is really helpful when the sights are very very tight. Brass won't scratch the steel, but you do need to clean the tool marks off, and the nylon ones will split if the sights don't slide easily. The sight tool is also a lot faster to use, so if you're using blue loctite, that helps there as well. The hardest part of the M&P sights is that the rear sight holds the striker block spring in place. That's why Apex includes the Talon Tactical M&P rear sight tool in their kits. So im looking at 200 bones to change sights on my pistol. Should have taken up knitting Like anything, you can do it with basic tools, it is just a lot easier with the right ones. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 11:49:19 PM EDT
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I own a hammer and wood. This is already sounding like a good idea. Would I do myself a huge disservice by leaving the rear dots on and simply swapping a fiber optic front in
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Posted: 3/30/2015 11:50:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I own a hammer and wood. This is already sounding like a good idea. Would I do myself a huge disservice by leaving the rear dots on and simply swapping a fiber optic front in The fiber optic stands out so much that the other dots just confuse the sight picture, IMO. ETA: And there is a proper direction for the M&P sights. You should go out from right to left, and in from left to right, muzzle facing away from you. |
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Posted: 3/31/2015 10:55:31 AM EDT
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Daytona you are a wealth of knowledge. Really appreciate your input in this thread sir
I would want to order the taller front sight from 10-8 to keep POI similar to stock sights correct? |
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Posted: 3/31/2015 11:14:13 PM EDT
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Daytona you are a wealth of knowledge. Really appreciate your input in this thread sir I would want to order the taller front sight from 10-8 to keep POI similar to stock sights correct? I read a post from hilton yam talking about how the front sight should always be .160 (factory setting). If you opt for .180, you'll shoot 3 inches low at 25 yards. |
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Posted: 3/31/2015 11:36:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I read a post from hilton yam talking about how the front sight should always be .160 (factory setting). If you opt for .180, you'll shoot 3 inches low at 25 yards. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Daytona you are a wealth of knowledge. Really appreciate your input in this thread sir I would want to order the taller front sight from 10-8 to keep POI similar to stock sights correct? I read a post from hilton yam talking about how the front sight should always be .160 (factory setting). If you opt for .180, you'll shoot 3 inches low at 25 yards. A taller front sight will shoot lower. Some people like using the fiber optic like a red dot and putting it right over the target, others just use the fiber to pick up the front blade quicker. If you like to cover the target with a #3 sight picture like this:  Then you might want the taller sight (if you currently have a #2 POA/POI). For sight picture #2, you would want to use the stock sight height IF you shoot POA/POI like that. Best thing to do is test fire the gun, find out your POA/POI at 20 yards, and go from there. Dawson sells many more height options for M&P sights, so you can use them to tailor your approach. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 6:38:23 AM EDT
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If you are going to use fiber optics, please use GREEN and not red.
Over the visual spectrum of colors that a human eye can see, GREEN is near the center. Red is near the upper edge. That means green is easier to pick up with your eye. The same logic goes for lasers as well. color chart |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 8:42:09 AM EDT
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Again thanks for the info gents
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Posted: 4/1/2015 6:17:46 PM EDT
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http://www.hivizsights.com/product-category/products/handgun-sights/smith-wesson/
Absolutely GREEN front and rear. I have several Glocks and other things with green/green and they are the best. Red is often not very visible. Green always is in comparison. Even if you only get a green front and use the two white rear sight dots, it is quick. HiViz is a good brand and have always worked well. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 8:58:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:18:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI am not seeing a green fiber optic, only red. Is that correct? |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:23:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
If you are going to use fiber optics, please use GREEN and not red. Over the visual spectrum of colors that a human eye can see, GREEN is near the center. Red is near the upper edge. That means green is easier to pick up with your eye. The same logic goes for lasers as well. color chart Out of curiosity - how come all the aimpoints/eotechs are Red dots as opposed to Green dots? |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:27:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Out of curiosity - how come all the aimpoints/eotechs are Red dots as opposed to Green dots? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you are going to use fiber optics, please use GREEN and not red. Over the visual spectrum of colors that a human eye can see, GREEN is near the center. Red is near the upper edge. That means green is easier to pick up with your eye. The same logic goes for lasers as well. color chart Out of curiosity - how come all the aimpoints/eotechs are Red dots as opposed to Green dots? Red lasers/emitters are cheaper than green ones, or at least they were for the longest time, I am not 100% sure if that is still the case. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 5:36:44 AM EDT
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Yes, the technology for red LED/Lasers was robust and cheap. Only in the last few years has the technology improvements made green practical and affordable.
Some hunters are concerned that they might not be able to pick up a green laser or green reticle if hunting while vegetation is still green. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 7:41:47 AM EDT
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I am not seeing a green fiber optic, only red. Is that correct? Quote HistoryQuoted:
I am not seeing a green fiber optic, only red. Is that correct? the package comes with extra fiber pipes,...in different colors |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 8:53:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the package comes with extra fiber pipes,...in different colors Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am not seeing a green fiber optic, only red. Is that correct? the package comes with extra fiber pipes,...in different colors For $15-$20, you can buy the Truglo pack that matches the pipe size and try several different colors. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 10:50:17 AM EDT
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I have always used red fiber optic in the past, but I decided to try green with my M&P. I find that the green works great in bright sunlight, but in dimmer lighting conditions the red seems to work better for me. Anyone else noticed this, or is it just me?
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Posted: 4/2/2015 11:35:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have always used red fiber optic in the past, but I decided to try green with my M&P. I find that the green works great in bright sunlight, but in dimmer lighting conditions the red seems to work better for me. Anyone else noticed this, or is it just me? Several other guns have red pipes and I have never had a problem finding it. I typically shoot an M&P with the Ameriglo I dot sights.  Sometimes I shoot one with 10-8 sights and I really like it, but I find I acquire the sights faster with these, but I lose a little precision on the wider front sight, which hasn't cost me too much yet, so I still compete mainly with that one. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 12:02:58 PM EDT
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I have not had any issues "losing" green fiber optics against grass or trees. It "glows" a drastically different color to my eyes.
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Posted: 4/3/2015 9:48:55 PM EDT
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I have Warren Tactical sights on mine and am very happy with them. 10-8 makes a good set as well. I have a set of warrens on one of my g19's and plan on getting the same set for the m&p45. The price is right and the FO is fast and simple. |
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Posted: 4/8/2015 2:39:33 PM EDT
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I recently put a set of front and rear fiber Dawsons on my 5" Pro. Adjustable rear. Front blade thickness is .100, rear sight notch is .125.
Some of the best money Ive spent on upgrades for a pistol. And yes, they were a bitch to get the old ones off. S&W really puts the rear Novaks on tight. |
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