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Posted: 1/17/2012 2:38:11 PM
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I have been searching for a M&P22 pistol for a while now. After 2 of my favorite dealers could not locate one, I was contacted on another board by a member that had 2, and was looking to sell a new one in the box.

So I said yes, and bought it.

A little about the pistol. It is made by Walther, the frame says Umarex on it, the same company that brought us the craptastic P22. Before any P22 owners get their nickers in a knot, yes I have owned one. It never worked right. However, this is were the similarity with the P22 ends. It's a 1 to 1 in size, and only 1/2 pound lighter loaded, than a loaded centerfire M&P. The frame is heavier, due to the barrel block and what feels like some weight in the backstrap. The backstraps are not interchangeable, like the centerfire M&P's. The slide is machined Aluminium, not the pot metal type that the P22 is. I would suspect that it will be more robust that the P22's slide. The trigger is hinged, like the centerfire M&P's. It has ambidextrous slide locks and safeties. It also has a magazine disconnect safety.



It comes with adjustable sights, both the front and rear are drift adjustable, the rear has elevation. For drift, they have set screws and are easy to move. The rear's elevation is done via a slotted screw.




The barrel is like the Walther P22, with a barrelnut that holds it in the barrel block. The 1/2x28 thread adapters for the P22 works on the M&P22. I bought the Gemtech one. Here it is, taken out of the barrelblock-


As mentioned before, the slide is machined Aluminium, nearly identical to the stainless steel ones.-


The M&P22 is hammer fired, not striker like it's big brothers. The hammer is internal-


Beside a centerfire M&P-



I had planned to head to my outdoor club today, but we have had thunderstorms and high winds, so I headed to a indoor range. I took the M&P22 and 4 brands of ammo.


1. 40gr Federal Auto Match

2. 36gr CCI Mini Mags

3. 36gr Federal Value Packs

4. 36gr Remington Golden Bullet


I placed a target in the target stand, with 4 Birchwwood Casey Shoot-n-C's on it, and numbered them, 1-4. I placed the target at 30 feet. The course of fire was slow, fast, and as rapid as the range allows.


I had to drift the rear over to the right a tad, as it was shooting left. I fired 400 rounds, 50 first at a seperate target, then 350 rounds at the ammo test target, with zero malfunctions. A elderly shooter inquired about it and I let him run several mags through it, he too, was impressed with it. The trigger took a while to get used to. After shooting M&P's with Apex parts in it, the trigger is a tad gritty, but I think it will wear in nicely with more shooting.

After that, I procceded to shoot a bit more, Then the lights went out. Literally

A line of severe thunderstorms moved through the area, with high winds and a couple of funnel coulds. The power winked a couple of times and then went out.

I had hoped to shoot at least 500 rounds or more. But Mother Nature did not comply with that wish.

So far, I have been very happy with the little M&P22. It has, in informal tests out back and now at the range, has had 500 rounds run thorugh it, without a malfunction, something my old P22 never even got remotely close to in 1000 rounds before I sold it.
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Posted: 1/17/2012 3:25:58 PM
Nice review, very informative. One thing though, Umarex is just an importer, not a manufacturer. They do own part of Walther, but Walther makes all the guns for S&W and Colt/H&K etc and Umarex imports the Colt/H&K.
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Posted: 1/17/2012 3:47:04 PM
Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote:
Nice review, very informative. One thing though, Umarex is just an importer, not a manufacturer. They do own part of Walther, but Walther makes all the guns for S&W and Colt/H&K etc and Umarex imports the Colt/H&K.


Thanks for the clarification.
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Posted: 1/17/2012 4:06:04 PM
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Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote:
Nice review, very informative. One thing though, Umarex is just an importer, not a manufacturer. They do own part of Walther, but Walther makes all the guns for S&W and Colt/H&K etc and Umarex imports the Colt/H&K.

Wrong. Umarex OWNS Walther.

They slap the Walther name on their BS, airsoft quality, rimfires.

Take a look at the proof marks and you will see that none of these are actually made in Ulm.

I can only hope that Umarex learned a little something from their P22/PK380, and craptastic Colt M-4/22's.
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Posted: 1/17/2012 4:11:43 PM
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:

Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote:
Nice review, very informative. One thing though, Umarex is just an importer, not a manufacturer. They do own part of Walther, but Walther makes all the guns for S&W and Colt/H&K etc and Umarex imports the Colt/H&K.

Wrong. Umarex OWNS Walther.

They slap the Walther name on their BS, airsoft quality, rimfires.

Take a look at the proof marks and you will see that none of these are actually made in Ulm.

I can only hope that Umarex learned a little something from their P22/PK380, and craptastic Colt M-4/22's.


I don't to further derail this thread, but this rep from S&W says it's made by Walther-


Let's not try and turn this thread into a bitch fest on who makes it. I did this to be informative.

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Posted: 1/17/2012 4:23:15 PM
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Originally Posted By Dog1:

I don't to further derail this thread, but this rep from S&W says it's made by Walther-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avugtzEZa78

Let's not try and turn this thread into a bitch fest on who makes it. I did this to be informative.



Since Umarex owns Walther (the factory in Ulm, the Trade Mark, etc.) they can call their product anything they want to.

The S&W guy is being like CNN is, that is to say truthful, without being completely accurate. To me Walther means Ulm, period.

As to the M&P22, you are the third person that has posted good things about it. I'm glad to hear this because I could not stand to hear about yet another .22LR sold under the Walther Banner that sucked.

How did you find the trigger. You said it was gritty. Is it comparable to the standard M&P trigger?
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Posted: 1/17/2012 4:45:51 PM
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:

Originally Posted By Dog1:

I don't to further derail this thread, but this rep from S&W says it's made by Walther-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avugtzEZa78

Let's not try and turn this thread into a bitch fest on who makes it. I did this to be informative.



Since Umarex owns Walther (the factory in Ulm, the Trade Mark, etc.) they can call their product anything they want to.

The S&W guy is being like CNN is, that is to say truthful, without being completely accurate. To me Walther means Ulm, period.

As to the M&P22, you are the third person that has posted good things about it. I'm glad to hear this because I could not stand to hear about yet another .22LR sold under the Walther Banner that sucked.

How did you find the trigger. You said it was gritty. Is it comparable to the standard M&P trigger?


Trust me, being a former P22 owner, I was skeptical of the M&P22. So far it has been 100% reliable. More than my P22 ever was. As fast as I pull the trigger, it feeds and shucks the rounds. I could never get through an entire mag in the P22 without a failure.

As for the trigger, keep in mind I shoot M&P's with Apex DCAEK's in them, so I'm spoiled.

Maybe not so much gritty as a tad heavy. I really think that it will smooth out as shoot it more.

Would I have rather had a conversion kit? Yes. I would have rather been able to use my Apex kitted out M&P's as a host weapon.

However, so far, I have been more than pleased about the M&P22.
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Nice review, thanks.
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Thanks for that excellent review.
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@Dog1,
agree with you on your review, very excellent.

One question on the Gemtech adapter: with slide locked back or removed:

* when looking down the muzzle end of adapter, does any of your adapter's internal female threads, exposed when mounted onto factory barrel? (btw, am not talking about the external threads covered by thread protector.)
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Thanks for sharing. My son and I are enjoying our's so far. I think that I even figured out how to remove the mag disconnect, now if only the trigger connector hadn't fallen under the kitchen counter I could put it back together and test it out....
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Posted: 1/17/2012 10:45:36 PM
Originally Posted By Khadre:
@Dog1,
agree with you on your review, very excellent.

One question on the Gemtech adapter: with slide locked back or removed:

* when looking down the muzzle end of adapter, does any of your adapter's internal female threads, exposed when mounted onto factory barrel? (btw, am not talking about the external threads covered by thread protector.)


No, none are exposed. The Gemtech is not cheap, but it's well made.
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Originally Posted By ricksrifle:
Thanks for sharing. My son and I are enjoying our's so far. I think that I even figured out how to remove the mag disconnect, now if only the trigger connector hadn't fallen under the kitchen counter I could put it back together and test it out....


You know that you will have to share how to remove it.

Good luck on finding the trigger connector.
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Dog1, thank you and darn you. Thank you for the sound review, and darn you for making me likely to spend money I don't have!



Originally Posted By ricksrifle:
I think that I even figured out how to remove the mag disconnect....




Here's hoping. Mag safeties are the debbil.



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Originally Posted By Dog1:
Originally Posted By Khadre:
@Dog1,
agree with you on your review, very excellent.

One question on the Gemtech adapter: with slide locked back or removed:

* when looking down the muzzle end of adapter, does any of your adapter's internal female threads, exposed when mounted onto factory barrel? (btw, am not talking about the external threads covered by thread protector.)


No, none are exposed. The Gemtech is not cheap, but it's well made.


Thanks, guess I need to look into getting one. My silencerco p22 adapter, although same price and well made, its' extra female threads are exposed even after it is fully mounted on - not desirable. Only thing that I like about the silencerco version is the thread protector has an O-ring and keeps protector from loosening during firing.

Does the thread protector on that gemtech has an O-ring inside or no?
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Posted: 1/18/2012 12:47:43 PM
Originally Posted By Khadre:
Originally Posted By Dog1:
Originally Posted By Khadre:
@Dog1,
agree with you on your review, very excellent.

One question on the Gemtech adapter: with slide locked back or removed:

* when looking down the muzzle end of adapter, does any of your adapter's internal female threads, exposed when mounted onto factory barrel? (btw, am not talking about the external threads covered by thread protector.)


No, none are exposed. The Gemtech is not cheap, but it's well made.


Thanks, guess I need to look into getting one. My silencerco p22 adapter, although same price and well made, its' extra female threads are exposed even after it is fully mounted on - not desirable. Only thing that I like about the silencerco version is the thread protector has an O-ring and keeps protector from loosening during firing.

Does the thread protector on that gemtech has an O-ring inside or no?


I cannot remember if it does. Let me check and I will get back to you.
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Has anyone tried to install standard sights on one yet?

I really like my 22 but my other 2 M&Ps have Trijicon night sights, so I am thinking about upgrading for the sake of uniformity.
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Originally Posted By rcb1586:
Has anyone tried to install standard sights on one yet?

I really like my 22 but my other 2 M&Ps have Trijicon night sights, so I am thinking about upgrading for the sake of uniformity.


I have been thinking of setting mine up like my carry guns, 10-8 plain rear and Trijicon front. If I do, I will post it.
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Originally Posted By Dog1:
Originally Posted By rcb1586:
Has anyone tried to install standard sights on one yet?

I really like my 22 but my other 2 M&Ps have Trijicon night sights, so I am thinking about upgrading for the sake of uniformity.


I have been thinking of setting mine up like my carry guns, 10-8 plain rear and Trijicon front. If I do, I will post it.


@Dog1,
let me know if the 10-8 rear and Trijicon front fits on like regular M&P - have similar setup, except front is XS standard dot tritium.

Had to file/shave a little off the dovetail before it will fit, esp. on the front.

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Originally Posted By Dog1:
Originally Posted By rcb1586:
Has anyone tried to install standard sights on one yet?

I really like my 22 but my other 2 M&Ps have Trijicon night sights, so I am thinking about upgrading for the sake of uniformity.


I have been thinking of setting mine up like my carry guns, 10-8 plain rear and Trijicon front. If I do, I will post it.


@Dog1,
let me know if the 10-8 rear and Trijicon front fits on like regular M&P - have similar setup, except front is XS standard dot tritium.

Had to file/shave a little off the dovetail before it will fit, esp. on the front.



Will do...I gotta get around to getting a set.
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I was thinking of eliminating the mag disconnect on my .22 until I realized that it may be a good idea in order to prevent dryfires on my .22's.
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I could not recover the trigger connector out from under the kitchen counter with a magnet.......so I cut a hole in the bottom of the cabinet and recovered it.
The gun is back together and function checks ok. Off to the range to find out if I've messed it up. Be back here with results soon.

I have it worked out. On Dog1's recommendation, I started a new thread with results.