20 years ago the 92 was one of the wonder 9's....

The Glock and XD's & M&P's have now steam rolled thru dept's thru out the nation. My question- is the 92 design still good enough to compete with the polymer boys....

Good enough to be replaced by this:

At my PD, Dept issue, if you chose a Dept gun, was the Beretta 92FS for a lot of years. Recently, we moved to Glock 22 Gen4 and got rid of the Berettas, but we had them for YEARS. If a gun can get screwed up, a cop will screw it up.

That said, we never had any trouble with our Berettas. Whether the individual Officer took care of it or not (and we had a few that looked at them as simple tools and didn't maintain them or take care of them), they just ran. Clean, dirty, wet, dry, lubed or not, never any trouble. In fact, we had one Officer who NEVER maintained his Beretta. Over the course of probably 5 or 6 years, he shot them gun during qualifications (but never any other time), then loaded it back up and holstered it and carried on. It wasn't cleaned, it wasn't lubed, the barrel and magazines were rusty and the gun looked like absolute shit, but it always worked and worked reliably. He didn't have a lot of rounds through it (probably 3-400; like I said, he never shot aside from qualifications), but it really surprised me with how well it did work. In fact, in my experience, it shot as well as the various Glocks that the rest of the Dept carried.

While a Beretta wouldn't be my first choice for a duty or carry gun (I'm a Glock fanboy), in my experience, they work and work well. I have one and, while it wouldn't be my first choice, it would be far from my last and I'd be OK with one if I couldn't carry a Glock.

Bub75

I'm not familiar with the term "manual of arms." What does that mean?

Good source for the D-spring?

Excellent. Thanks.

I tried the INS spring years ago... I've said it before - but they seem to vary from specimen to specimen...

I had a D spring in it, and when I installed the INS trigger spring, it increased the trigger pull BACK up to the factory weight. I had the standard INS spring as well. I ended up pulling it back out and putting the standard spring back in. I've seen some report no issues, and others report the same circumstances.

Also, even with a metal trigger, some people have had issues making it fit. There seems to be some variations in the frame AND in the spring - most people will probably have no issues, but some will. I just decided to stick with the regular trigger return spring. The wire in the factory spring seems to be thicker and better made than ones from the 1980s. And, changing it out every 5k is not really a big deal. Much cheaper than the INS spring as well. Average person will likely never have to change the spring, or no more than 1x, likely...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=668734

Well, according to this thread, they come out to be:

I sure like mine. It doesnt 'replace' anything as far as my Glocks and 1911s- I love em all- but it sure runs slick and shoots fantastic. Completely still relevant, and as competent a weapon as any other in my opinion.

Manual of arms is the step by step process of using a weapon effectively.

With the M9, you have to grip, draw, remove safety, sight, fire double action, transition to single action, fire single action, decock, reapply safety, holster.

With the Glock, you have to grip, draw, sight, fire, holster. Every shot is the same, and there is no difficult DA to SA transition. There is no external safety to remove or apply.

Sometimes a lever that big gets brushed on anyway. Checking the safety must be part of the manual of arms.

Also, the da to sa transition is still there. I am not recommending against the M9. I am just saying it is more complicated and training must reflect that.

The 92 is just as good as it ever was. It has a very smooth action and really good single action trigger. It has good accuracy even though it's a combat/field gun. The function is inherently more accurate than a tip up barrel type. It's a great suppressor host.

The other guns are good and they have things that they're better at. They're lighter and smaller for their capacity. Any modern pistol from a reputable company should be fine barring any defects and should work for the great majority of people's needs.

Beretta is stubborn, but did introduce some updates. You can get factory 18rd magazines now since being introduced with the 90-two. MecGar also makes excellent flush fit 18 rounders. The current A1 models have dovetailed front sight and a frame rail. The 90-two and PX4 are polymer framed and both take obvious cues from the 92.

Most have moved on to the latest and greatest, but many still like the Beretta 92 and a few actually still prefer them.

Many people cannot make this transition easily. Reports of unintended shots were common as people move from other guns to DA/SA guns. For designs like the 1911 and the Glock each trigger pull being the same is much easier to learn.

I am not saying it cannot be done, but it is more difficult learning two different feeling trigger pulls than just one that is the same every time. Anyone considering the M9 or any other DA/SA gun should be aware of it when making their decision.