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Posted: 4/21/2012 8:20:11 PM
The 92A1 rocks :)

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Posted: 4/23/2012 10:00:25 PM
Hell yeah.

A 92A1 is gonna be my next pistol purchase.

I'm a long time Glock and 1911 owner/shooter, but I do love an M9/92.

I have shot a 92 quite a bit and I don't think I can recall a malfunction ever.
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Posted: 4/28/2012 7:48:54 PM
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Absent the need to have a personal weapon that mimics an issue weapon or to fill out a military weapons collection the Beretta is a mediocre choice.


Agreed. I would not go so far as to say it is shitty or overpriced, but there are much better choices. I shoot an M9 at work and Glocks at home.


Look at serious competition circuits. How many berettas do you see?
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Posted: 4/28/2012 8:19:45 PM
Beretta paid Ernest Langdon to shoot a 92 but I can't think of any others.

I've handled a 96 that had a dead return spring. I wasn't shooting it when it went dead at least.

I value guns by the binary system. They're either the best or they're shit. I guess I'm borderline like that.
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Posted: 4/29/2012 2:49:53 AM
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Bob, one of the funniest things i have ever heard is a Lieutenant saying the words " In my experience....." Lieutenant Combat_Jack , "in his experience"......, has deemed the M9 shit. HA HA, HA HA, still so funny, Sir.
Originally Posted By BobCole:
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

The fact that they are shitty, overpriced handguns.



At the risk of repeating myself, you base this on WHAT, exactly? Not to mention, why the hell are you even in the Beretta forum unless you just want/need to stir up shit?

But by all means, please tell us which guns we should be buying based solely upon your breadth of experience & great wisdom?


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Posted: 4/29/2012 3:05:50 AM
Military service has no bearing on my qualifications to speak to the advantages or failings of different models of handguns.
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Posted: 4/30/2012 5:41:36 PM
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Originally Posted By BobCole:
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Absent the need to have a personal weapon that mimics an issue weapon or to fill out a military weapons collection the Beretta is a mediocre choice.


And you base this on what, exactly?


The fact that they are shitty, overpriced handguns.


So, is this just your opinion or do you have hard data to back up this statement?

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Posted: 5/1/2012 5:05:45 PM
Every Beretta 92FS I have owned has been absolutely reliable right out of the box. As with any quality pistol, if the owner performs standard maintenance at recommended intervals, their chances of having a positive experience with given firearm will be increased. I have had excellent results with every Beretta, Sig, Glock and HK pistol I have owned.
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Posted: 5/2/2012 1:57:01 PM
I just don't understand how anyone an be so disrespectful to come in to a forum a completely trash talk something they don't like.
I could understand if they had evidence of that reason and then offered a solution to this problem but to just come in and trash talk is childish.
I don't like AK's but I don't go into a forum of AK and tell them all what a piece of shit there rifle is, its like if you don't like whats on TV, you turn the channel.
ok, I'm done.
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Posted: 5/2/2012 2:00:59 PM
The Beretta is reliable but not durable. Trigger return springs cannot be expected to last more than 2500 rounds and locking blocks fail under high round counts as well. Add in the ergonomic and size issues and there's not much to make someone choose a Beretta over a newer design.
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Posted: 5/2/2012 2:12:59 PM
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The Beretta is reliable but not durable. Trigger return springs cannot be expected to last more than 2500 rounds and locking blocks fail under high round counts as well. Add in the ergonomic and size issues and there's not much to make someone choose a Beretta over a newer design.


Thank you! now we all know why you dislike the Beretta, now could it be possible you can offer any links (evidence) to your claim or do you expect us to research every accusation you might make?
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Posted: 5/2/2012 2:14:18 PM
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I wouldn't worry about it, some people simply detest certain things. The only real drawback is that simply bashing any given pistol in a forum like this without really giving a specific reason is more or less useless when referring to the topic at hand. If Combat Jack hates the Beretta, he hates the Beretta. Does that influence my opinion of a firearm I have had excellent results with over several years? Absolutely not. I have had excellent results with most pistols I have owned, but I made the effort to familiarize myself with the strengths and weaknesses of each firearm and maintain them correctly. The Beretta is a solid pistol, when properly maintained.
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Posted: 5/2/2012 2:32:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The Beretta is reliable but not durable. Trigger return springs cannot be expected to last more than 2500 rounds and locking blocks fail under high round counts as well. Add in the ergonomic and size issues and there's not much to make someone choose a Beretta over a newer design.


Hot damn, that is what I was looking for from you, sir. These are specific maintenance addressed issues with the Beretta. The trigger return spring is less of an issue these days due to the newer springs being made with heavier spring metal or by replacing it altogether with a Wolff INS spring. The locking block is a maintenance issue as well, since the newest versions are designed to be stronger than past versions and when routinely inspected or simply replaced at manufacturer recommended intervals, really isn't that big of an issue. If a locking block fails under very high round count, the shooter needs to seriously consider taking better care of the pistol. In addition, changing the recoil spring every 3-5000 rds. greatly affects the overall life of the pistol as well. Ergonomics can certainly be a deal breaker for some people. If the gun simply doesn't fit, it doesn't fit and there isn't much that can be done about that particular problem.
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Posted: 5/2/2012 2:44:20 PM
Mel Gibson used a berretta in Lethal Weapon and it was awesome. Using it totally made him a badass, so I would recommend it. The only reason I'm not looking to pick one up as my first handgun is because of size, the Glock 19 seems like it will be more of a "do all" type gun, competition, classes, concealed carry, home defense, SHTF, etc...the berretta seems as though its relegated to a field pistol.
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Posted: 5/2/2012 2:50:43 PM
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Or a night stand pistol. They can be concealed, but not as easily as smaller pistols. And yes, Mel Gibson did make the Beretta look good as well. I always wanted a 92FS after turning 21, but had to wait a couple years. As soon as I fired my first Beretta, I was in love.
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Posted: 5/2/2012 7:49:31 PM
Absolutely love my 92a1 !!!! have only 400 rounds thru it since new about month and a half ago but shoots acurate as hell with crappy ammo if i do my part and havent had a ftf or fte yet.. trigger is very nice out of the box and will only get better with use.. big plus is it comes with 3 mags and cleaning kit. breaks down in literally 2 seconds!! buy it!!
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Posted: 5/3/2012 8:45:07 AM
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The Beretta is reliable but not durable. Trigger return springs cannot be expected to last more than 2500 rounds and locking blocks fail under high round counts as well. Add in the ergonomic and size issues and there's not much to make someone choose a Beretta over a newer design.


12,300 rounds through... original everything (less the decocking tab, $5 part, 5 min install). Often goes thousands of rounds between cleaning/lubing.

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Posted: 5/3/2012 1:50:24 PM
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The Beretta is reliable but not durable. Trigger return springs cannot be expected to last more than 2500 rounds and locking blocks fail under high round counts as well. Add in the ergonomic and size issues and there's not much to make someone choose a Beretta over a newer design.


* Yet Ben Stoeger has 100K rounds through several Beretta 92s.

* Except Beretta redesigned the trigger return spring to be more durable.

* Current locking blocks are rated for 35K rounds before replacement. To replace one, its $30 and 5 minutes of time.

* Ergonomics are subjective

* Size? Its really not bigger than other full size service pistols.



* Maybe some people like Berettas like some people like Sigs/1911s/Glocks/M&Ps?



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Posted: 5/3/2012 2:25:46 PM
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So true on size comparison between the 92FS and other full size 9mm pistols. My Sig P226 is nearly as big as the Beretta, but for some reason, people still complain about it's size. The only real advantage the Glock 17 has is lighter weight.
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Posted: 5/3/2012 2:31:01 PM
Originally Posted By wtwining:
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The Beretta is reliable but not durable. Trigger return springs cannot be expected to last more than 2500 rounds and locking blocks fail under high round counts as well. Add in the ergonomic and size issues and there's not much to make someone choose a Beretta over a newer design.


Thank you! now we all know why you dislike the Beretta, now could it be possible you can offer any links (evidence) to your claim or do you expect us to research every accusation you might make?


Nope. What I learned about the Beretta wasn't learned on the Internet.
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Posted: 5/3/2012 2:47:12 PM
I'm in too much of a hurry for facts and figures, so here's my quick opinion...

I've had a stainless 92 for about ten years or more now, and I can't think of a time it ever malfunctioned. Plus, I had another one for about five years during that time and it was the same story. More recently, I also acquired an M9A1 because I wanted one I could put a light on and I love it every bit as much as I thought I would...also no jams to my recollection...not even a "break-in period" malfunction.

I would say if there's any gun I have that I can definitely count on to go bang every time, it would be that one. It ate everything I gave it. One time at the local range, a guy was firing his MP5 and some of the primers were JUST sunk in too far for the firing pin to set them off. He said the ammo was crap and gave it to me, so I put it in my 92 and every one of them went off with no problems.

In fact, I blame this for my loss of a perfect score during a Navy qual course; I got a '235' out of '240' (every round is worth 5 points). They treat their weapons like crap, and I did not fire one of the rounds in time because it jammed, and instead of doing the "tap, rack, bang" like they told me to, I just stood there, dumbfounded, because I'd never seen a Beretta fail before.

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Posted: 5/3/2012 3:14:19 PM
I suspect the large majority of 92FS owners have had the same experience.
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Posted: 5/3/2012 6:06:58 PM
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
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Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The Beretta is reliable but not durable. Trigger return springs cannot be expected to last more than 2500 rounds and locking blocks fail under high round counts as well. Add in the ergonomic and size issues and there's not much to make someone choose a Beretta over a newer design.


Thank you! now we all know why you dislike the Beretta, now could it be possible you can offer any links (evidence) to your claim or do you expect us to research every accusation you might make?


Nope. What I learned about the Beretta wasn't learned on the Internet.


lol..okay then, you probably have pics or something to back this info up right?


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Posted: 5/3/2012 6:07:58 PM
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Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The Beretta is reliable but not durable. Trigger return springs cannot be expected to last more than 2500 rounds and locking blocks fail under high round counts as well. Add in the ergonomic and size issues and there's not much to make someone choose a Beretta over a newer design.


Thank you! now we all know why you dislike the Beretta, now could it be possible you can offer any links (evidence) to your claim or do you expect us to research every accusation you might make?


Nope. What I learned about the Beretta wasn't learned on the Internet.



Then why are you here on the internet?
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Posted: 5/3/2012 6:59:33 PM
Originally Posted By wtwining:
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Originally Posted By wtwining:
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The Beretta is reliable but not durable. Trigger return springs cannot be expected to last more than 2500 rounds and locking blocks fail under high round counts as well. Add in the ergonomic and size issues and there's not much to make someone choose a Beretta over a newer design.


Thank you! now we all know why you dislike the Beretta, now could it be possible you can offer any links (evidence) to your claim or do you expect us to research every accusation you might make?


Nope. What I learned about the Beretta wasn't learned on the Internet.


lol..okay then, you probably have pics or something to back this info up right?




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