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LudwigLoewe
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Posted: 3/9/2012 11:08:37 PM

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Got a new M9. Safety lever is plastic. Anyone know where I can get a steel replacement safety.
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Posted: 3/9/2012 11:13:13 PM
holy crap thanks for posting this, I never knew mine was plastic.
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Posted: 3/9/2012 11:19:39 PM
Dunno about yours. But the trigger, lanyard loop, mag catch, and op rod are all polymer on mine as well. Granted some of those parts have a steel skeleton. The safety concerns me the most tho.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 2:16:47 AM
The trigger for sure has a metal skeleton, so don't worry about it breaking. I think, but am not sure, that the safety has metal in it as well, I bet someone else will be along to say for sure. Regardless, I wouldn't worry about it. In fact, I don't. I have no problem with the plastic on my M9 and have never read or seen a report of one breaking. I googled it just now to see if this was a problem, and got no results.

Is this a case of hearing something about people having negative experiences with this part, or is it just fear of polymer parts on guns? If the former, please share as I will happily change my opinion with supporting evidence. If the latter, well to each their own I suppose, personally I find the fear of plastic parts on high end guns silly.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 3:13:14 AM
Not a fear of polymer parts on guns per say. I own glocks and have owned an XD. What concerns me is how the hammer strikes the firing pin. The firing pin plunger sits inside the safety. When safety is in fire position this plunger lines up with the firing pin, the hammer strikes the plunger which forces the pin forward. When in safe position, the plunger rotates with the safety, thus when the hammer travels forward it cannot make contact with the pin. What concerns me is given the impact of the hammer and movement of the plunger, is that the hole that holds the plunger will losen or distort over time. Which could cause malfunction.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 3:45:29 AM
The trigger and safety lever body have a metal core, covered in polymer. The firing pin plunger, as well as the other springs and detents ride within the metal core...

You can not get a magnet to stick to them, but they have enough metal in the areas needed to ensure reliable function.

I actually like the polymer guide rod. It is not as easily bent or damaged as the older metal part. The polymer hammer cap is also very durable and doesn't get bent and shiney from use. The magazine catch still has metal inserts to hold the magazine.

I am guessing it is faster and easier for Beretta to mold polymer parts as opposed to machining them. The polymer doesn't rust either
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Posted: 3/10/2012 7:51:02 AM
people obsess over the most mundane shit....
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Posted: 3/10/2012 9:29:32 AM
One thing seems to be expected ...... that is, every product seems to get heavier as time goes on. The current reasons for handguns appear to be due to reshaping frames to have Picatinny rails, and adding extensions to magazines to increase mag capacaties from 15 to 18, 20, or 30 rounds. If changing components from metal to plastic or polymer for parts whose MTBF is not significantly impaired by the change, I have no reservations.

However, some things do appear, at a glance, to make a difference. I remember, in Basic Training in 1970, being shown how to hit the enemy soldier in the face/head with the butt of the rifle, ye olde "butt stroke", and thinking to myself that if I did the buttstroke with an M1903A3, Garand, or M-14, the enemy's face/head would not survive, but my rifle butt would, whereas I was not so certain that my "Plastic Fantastic", my M-16, would. As things turned out, I never got an opportunity to find out for sure.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 11:02:19 AM
Originally Posted By bruce21b:
people obsess over the most mundane shit....


You can call it mundane shit if you want. I just want to make sure the thing is gonna work. I keep it loaded under my pillow, so its kinda in my interests to make sure it functions best I can.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 11:53:59 AM
People felt the same way when stamped steel parts were used to replace milled steel gun parts 60 years ago. Change with the times.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 3:50:44 PM
[Last Edit: 3/10/2012 3:51:14 PM by coltjeeper]
Originally Posted By LudwigLoewe:
Originally Posted By bruce21b:
people obsess over the most mundane shit....


You can call it mundane shit if you want. I just want to make sure the thing is gonna work. I keep it loaded under my pillow, so its kinda in my interests to make sure it functions best I can.


Beretta has been using these plastic parts for the better part of 10 years now. Not once in all that time anywhere on the internet have I heard of any issues, none. Even new M9s being delivered to the US Military have them. Beretta would NOT be doing this if they hadn't tested them before hand, unlike some companies are these days (letting the consumer be the beta tester, ie: Glock GEN4).
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Posted: 3/10/2012 11:50:49 PM
Originally Posted By LudwigLoewe:
Got a new M9. Safety lever is plastic. Anyone know where I can get a steel replacement safety.


Only the left side lever is plastic. Safety and right side lever is all steel.
I replaced all plastic junk with steel parts.

First to go was a "self-lubricating" plastic guide rod.
This thing did not withstand propane heat.

buy with confidence from:

http://www.partsandmore.com/

I'm not a fan of plastic parts or that cheap, peeling, chipping paint called Bruniton.




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Posted: 3/11/2012 3:30:42 AM
Originally Posted By Richard257:
buy with confidence from:

http://www.partsandmore.com/



Whats the deal with that place? Are they real surplus M9 parts? I've seen their link before but never dealt with them.
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Posted: 3/11/2012 9:22:21 PM
I purchased Beretta parts from them. They're good to go.
The parts are new, beautiful.
I compared them to parts from 1985 Italian 92 F, which by the way is all steel.
I cannot tell the difference in workmanship or the finish.

Whether these are surplus, I don't know, so I take his word for it.
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Posted: 3/12/2012 7:19:03 AM
Also, safety or not it's kind of fucking stupid to sleep with a loaded gun under your pillow.

I'm hoping that was a joke.
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Posted: 3/12/2012 6:01:25 PM
Originally Posted By G3k:
Also, safety or not it's kind of fucking stupid to sleep with a loaded gun under your pillow.

I'm hoping that was a joke.

Nope. I dont leave one in the chamber tho. Just loaded mag.
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Posted: 3/13/2012 2:01:20 AM
The plastic parts work period. They don't just spontaneously break.

Whatever floats your boat, but its a waste of money unless you want a metal trigger for the Wolff TCU.
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Posted: 3/13/2012 7:32:22 AM
Thanks for the link richard257.
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Posted: 5/1/2012 6:26:11 PM
Originally Posted By LudwigLoewe:
Originally Posted By G3k:
Also, safety or not it's kind of fucking stupid to sleep with a loaded gun under your pillow.

I'm hoping that was a joke.

Nope. I dont leave one in the chamber tho. Just loaded mag.


If there is no round in the chamber, what difference does it make what material the safety lever is made of?