Spray, Ore. (Aug. 10, 2017) As SIG SAUER® detailed in their press release Tuesday, the P320 pistol does meet “U.S. standards for safety, including the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) / Sporting Arms Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc. (SAAMI®), National Institute of Justice (NIJ), as well as rigorous testing protocols for global military and law enforcement agencies.”

We have no reason to believe the pistol does not meet those accepted standards. That said, we are aware of the claims made earlier this week that some P320s may unintentionally discharge if the pistol is dropped in a specific way. SIG SAUER confirmed this noting “dropping the P320 beyond U.S. standards for safety may cause an unintentional discharge.”

We are independently evaluating those claims here at Grayguns, and it appears that there is some merit to claims that some P320s may unintentionally discharge after being dropped at a specific angle. We strongly advise against attempting to test your own pistols, as this can be dangerous and may negatively affect the existing drop safety mechanisms. Self-testing may also void any warranties. Consequences for the handling or misuse of any firearm are the operator’s sole responsibility. Safe gun handling practices should be practiced at all times. Never rely upon any mechanical device for your safety.

As Grayguns provides aftermarket triggers and action work for the P320, we are obviously concerned and continuing to closely examine this serious issue. We are working closely with SIG SAUER on addressing concerns relating to Grayguns products and services in particular, to ensure that our mutual customers will be offered the most satisfactory options possible, and will provide additional information to our customers once it becomes available.

“As we have done for more than 30 years, Grayguns will always stand behind our work and the products we manufacture,” said Bruce Gray, president and founder of Grayguns Inc. “We will work diligently with our friends at SIG SAUER during the next few weeks to ensure all of our customers are confident in the products and services we provide.”

For more information on Grayguns, visit us at grayguns.com.

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 posted August 05, 2017 03:08 PMAugust 05, 2017 03:08 PM Hide Post
I am here to tell you that there is no safety issues with the P320.

There was no incident, ND, or failure of a P320 of any sort that prompted the memo by Lt. Williamson.

DPD does not have any in their inventory, has never tested it, has only a couple officers carrying it so far, and none have had any issues.

The memo was simply addressing some outdated legacy language that inexplicably made it's way into one of the P320 owner's manuals. In doing due diligence just as I would have, this was questioned, SIG responded to clarify, and it was over.

All reports and online discussions to follow trace back to an article published by gunmagwarehouse.com. There was a headline stating "SIG SAUER P320 Fails Drop Test." In the article, the author reports that an anonymous reliable source within DPD stated that a P320 ND'd during training, among other inflammatory implications that proved not to be true.

I reached out, speaking for myself and Grayguns Inc., to this author on Tuesday to offer factual, verifiable information or an interview, but was rebuffed. This erroneous story was then reposted and repeated widely.

I and others knew this entire thing was bullshit from the start, but the author of this hyped up and apparently fabricated non-story from an "anonymous source" was not interested in hearing verifiable information, on the record.

And, for that record, there has never been a verified instance of any P320 firing when dropped out of the nearly 350,000 sold to date, much less a factory-spec pistol.

I have looked for such reports and followed up on everything I find, for three solud years. It hasn't happened.

The recent YouTube video pupirtibg to show a "P320 drop test" failure is an obvious fake.

I have personally bounced these puppies off of everything I can find. No go bang, ever.

This crap needs to be dismissed. The P320 is safe.

-Bruce

Designer and custom pistolsmith at Grayguns Inc. Privileged to be R&D consultant to the world's greatest maker of fine firearms. Now: Get some Lucas Extreme Duty Grease from Top Gun Supply and SIG Pro Shop, dammit! And remember: MOAC is coming again in 2017!



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Spray, Ore. (Aug. 10, 2017) As SIG SAUER® detailed in their press release Tuesday, the P320 pistol does meet “U.S. standards for safety, including the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) / Sporting Arms Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc. (SAAMI®), National Institute of Justice (NIJ), as well as rigorous testing protocols for global military and law enforcement agencies.”

We have no reason to believe the pistol does not meet those accepted standards. That said, we are aware of the claims made earlier this week that some P320s may unintentionally discharge if the pistol is dropped in a specific way. SIG SAUER confirmed this noting “dropping the P320 beyond U.S. standards for safety may cause an unintentional discharge.”

We are independently evaluating those claims here at Grayguns, and it appears that there is some merit to claims that some P320s may unintentionally discharge after being dropped at a specific angle. We strongly advise against attempting to test your own pistols, as this can be dangerous and may negatively affect the existing drop safety mechanisms. Self-testing may also void any warranties. Consequences for the handling or misuse of any firearm are the operator’s sole responsibility. Safe gun handling practices should be practiced at all times. Never rely upon any mechanical device for your safety.

As Grayguns provides aftermarket triggers and action work for the P320, we are obviously concerned and continuing to closely examine this serious issue. We are working closely with SIG SAUER on addressing concerns relating to Grayguns products and services in particular, to ensure that our mutual customers will be offered the most satisfactory options possible, and will provide additional information to our customers once it becomes available.

“As we have done for more than 30 years, Grayguns will always stand behind our work and the products we manufacture,” said Bruce Gray, president and founder of Grayguns Inc. “We will work diligently with our friends at SIG SAUER during the next few weeks to ensure all of our customers are confident in the products and services we provide.”

For more information on Grayguns, visit us at grayguns.com.

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Waiting for all the P320s to appear on EE

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All I can say is ... they better make this right. We'll find out Monday.

Also, this makes me question the testing. I know there's a standard and Sig wouldn't have put out a gun that doesn't meet at least a minimum drop standard. I just don't know what the standard is. I wonder if you dropped other guns from the same height onto the back of the slide, would they go off?

If the testing is from 4 feet and you drop it from 6 (or 10, or 50), it still technically passed the test.

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Updated trigger parts drop test
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25bdr264Dyo

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Obviously the trigger is different, any idea on what else is changed?
ive heard rumors they may need to swap out the slide as well?

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The striker is also different.

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Probably going to have to make the striker pull length longer, more Glock like, so that there is less pre-load on the striker spring.  Good bye sweet, sweet short P320 trigger.  Hello "staple gun."

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M16 is actually a horrible example given its... less than stellar... beginning.

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RECOIL sits down with SIG to talk about the 320 safety issues.

http://www.recoilweb.com/sig-sauer-p320-safety-update-129040.html

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I just called CS, grip frame is not modified.

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I just called CS, grip frame is not modified.

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It was a long wait, but yes.  You need to send the whole gun less mags.  They have to test fire.

I have other frames and it would be a pain to have to ship those too.

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https://www.sigsauer.com/support/p320-voluntary-upgrade-program-2/

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Link dead.  Has anyone seen the page...as in was it there and now gone?

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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_14/177763_P320-ship-and-return-times-thread-.html

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I want all posts regarding the drop issue including SIG's "fix" for the issue in one thread ( which is this one ) including what it will cost if anything, shipping and return, time element, procedure ect ect ect