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Posted: 7/9/2016 3:00:44 AM EDT
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Can we have a separate debate in a different thread about the best technique for putting the slide in battery?
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Posted: 7/9/2016 10:07:58 AM EDT
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I train police officers as well as recruits on firearms. Many of the recruits have little to no experience with handguns. The left handed shooters have a much more difficult time locking the slide open than the right handed shooters. Dropping the slide is not the only variable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then why do they texture it and make an extended version? Especially when it comes stock on the 34/35. Comp shooters use the slide stop all the time. It is faster. So do face shooters. Take a Vickers course. Either way is fine as long it gets the gun going again. My issue is that it should reflect how the FBI teaches it's agents how to shoot. If the FBI firearms curriculum stipulates that agents slingshot the slide into battery for two handed use or using a belt or shoe heel for one handed use, then an ambi slide stop shouldn't be a factor. It's kind of the same thinking where agencies say they want a hammer fired pistol for "second strike capability" on a dud. If the curriculum teaches some form of emergency action drill (which pretty much everyone does) and not pulling the trigger again on a dud round (which pretty much no one does), why the hell would you incorporate that into a statement of work? It runs counter to how you are trying to train your officers. The whole idea is to get a firearm that fits what you want to do with it, to include how you want to train your people. I'm not going to argue the pros/cons of one method or the other, just that the final form of the pistol needs to be conducive to how you want the officers trained. Maybe the FBI teaches it's agents to use the slide stop to get the slide back in battery; if so, then the ambi stop makes sense. If not, it doesn't. I train police officers as well as recruits on firearms. Many of the recruits have little to no experience with handguns. The left handed shooters have a much more difficult time locking the slide open than the right handed shooters. Dropping the slide is not the only variable. Understood, but simply locking the slide back is an administrative action. I'm more concerned with getting the gun back into fighting condition. I am not discounting what you said, its absolutely true that lefties will have a more difficult time locking the slide back, but its farther down in my list of priorities. |
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Posted: 7/10/2016 9:52:25 AM EDT
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Shoudn't be hard to CNC a new Gen4 mold with no finger grooves. After 18 months or so, Glock will release the Gen4 FBI series to the civilian market...and people will gobble them up...like always. I would for sure. no finger grove factory gen4 would be orgasmic. |
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Posted: 7/10/2016 12:18:58 PM EDT
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I would for sure. no finger grove factory gen4 would be orgasmic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shoudn't be hard to CNC a new Gen4 mold with no finger grooves. After 18 months or so, Glock will release the Gen4 FBI series to the civilian market...and people will gobble them up...like always. I would for sure. no finger grove factory gen4 would be orgasmic. Sure would save me a lot of time with the dremel. |
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Posted: 7/10/2016 2:44:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interchangeable trigger modules are a fad. Conversions cost damn near what a new handgun costs. I'd much rather just have a second, separate firearm. My brother who lives in NY and has to add the serial number of any pistol he purchases to his carry permit and pistol permit, incurring fees and wait times, would definitely see this as a potential benefit. |
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Posted: 7/10/2016 5:41:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure would save me a lot of time with the dremel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Shoudn't be hard to CNC a new Gen4 mold with no finger grooves. After 18 months or so, Glock will release the Gen4 FBI series to the civilian market...and people will gobble them up...like always. I would for sure. no finger grove factory gen4 would be orgasmic. Sure would save me a lot of time with the dremel. Come on G34 with no finger grooves! |
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Posted: 7/10/2016 6:01:44 PM EDT
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Sounds like the FBI needs to pi$ off. Why do I hate when people try to change glocks. I guess I'm always afraid they'll. Take such a simple thing and make it complicated. Supposedly the trigger is vastly improved from the Gen4 and the pistols are more accurate. Supposedly. If true, awesome, because the Gen4s are horrific. Real question is if Glock will sell these to us mere civilians, and when, because there is certainly to be gnashing of teeth if they don't. |
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Posted: 7/10/2016 6:02:57 PM EDT
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Yeah, I don't think I've ever used the slide stop to release the slide when shooting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ambi slide stop lever is another story. and quite unnecessary too. slingshot or use the rear sight. Yeah, I don't think I've ever used the slide stop to release the slide when shooting. Great, you reload at least 2x more slowly than those who know to use the slide stop. However, ambi is retarded. |
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Posted: 7/10/2016 6:04:57 PM EDT
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Yeah, I wasn't meaning others shouldn't use it that way. I personally don't find the small slide stop a problem. I'm not a comp shooter. I just overhand it. In fact, it's an upside to me. Less likely to ride it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then why do they texture it and make an extended version? Especially when it comes stock on the 34/35. Comp shooters use the slide stop all the time. It is faster. Yeah, I wasn't meaning others shouldn't use it that way. I personally don't find the small slide stop a problem. I'm not a comp shooter. I just overhand it. In fact, it's an upside to me. Less likely to ride it. Most good comp shooters don't use the extended one, for the exact reason you mention. Big slide release on a glock = problems if you are holding the pistol properly. |
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Posted: 7/10/2016 6:17:15 PM EDT
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Interchangeable trigger modules are a fad. Conversions cost damn near what a new handgun costs. I'd much rather just have a second, separate firearm. I don't really see the conversions as the big deal with the p320. I like the ability to change out frames to different. Lengths, colors and as designs change and improve. You can also freshen up a really worn frame quite cheaply. |
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Posted: 7/11/2016 9:51:34 AM EDT
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It's designed to be pushed UP. Some will argue that it's "faster" to push down when reloading. That may be the case when you're on the range or in the class. The problem is when you're in a critical incident, and your Sympathetic Nervous System (SNS) activates, your fine motor skills degrade substantially. Flipping the slide stop lever with your thumb is a fine motor skill. The same can be said about the slingshot method of cycling the slide. You still have only a single digit on one side of the slide. If you think of the immediate action drill, it's hand over the top of the slide, "grip it and rip it". Use the same for releasing the slide during reloads. Same movement, and it uses gross motor skills. Also, notice Glock never refers to it as a slide RELEASE. And it's only mentioned once in the manual as an alternative method for releasing the slide, with stress on the grip it and rip it method. All other references are that it's for pushing UP to lock the slide open. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then why do they texture it and make an extended version? It's designed to be pushed UP. Some will argue that it's "faster" to push down when reloading. That may be the case when you're on the range or in the class. The problem is when you're in a critical incident, and your Sympathetic Nervous System (SNS) activates, your fine motor skills degrade substantially. Flipping the slide stop lever with your thumb is a fine motor skill. The same can be said about the slingshot method of cycling the slide. You still have only a single digit on one side of the slide. If you think of the immediate action drill, it's hand over the top of the slide, "grip it and rip it". Use the same for releasing the slide during reloads. Same movement, and it uses gross motor skills. Also, notice Glock never refers to it as a slide RELEASE. And it's only mentioned once in the manual as an alternative method for releasing the slide, with stress on the grip it and rip it method. All other references are that it's for pushing UP to lock the slide open. Ok, so using the slide release is a fine motor skill. What do you call the skill of hitting the Mag release? Isn't that a fine motor skill as well? Use what you want, but the slide stop/release is a perfectly acceptable method.....and just like anything else, it requires muscle memory built by practice. |
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Posted: 7/11/2016 10:10:33 AM EDT
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I don't really see the conversions as the big deal with the p320. I like the ability to change out frames to different. Lengths, colors and as designs change and improve. You can also freshen up a really worn frame quite cheaply. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interchangeable trigger modules are a fad. Conversions cost damn near what a new handgun costs. I'd much rather just have a second, separate firearm. I don't really see the conversions as the big deal with the p320. I like the ability to change out frames to different. Lengths, colors and as designs change and improve. You can also freshen up a really worn frame quite cheaply. The real advantage of modular frames that has yet to be realized is 80% frames. |
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Posted: 7/11/2016 6:38:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The real advantage of modular frames that has yet to be realized is 80% frames.  Someone has already looked into that w/ the 250 - the holdup is the cost of the small parts. Since there are no aftermarket parts kits yet, you have to buy each individual part from SIG.
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Posted: 7/11/2016 7:30:46 PM EDT
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Someone has already looked into that w/ the 250 - the holdup is the cost of the small parts. Since there are no aftermarket parts kits yet, you have to buy each individual part from SIG.Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The real advantage of modular frames that has yet to be realized is 80% frames. Someone has already looked into that w/ the 250 - the holdup is the cost of the small parts. Since there are no aftermarket parts kits yet, you have to buy each individual part from SIG.Someone is looking into it with Glocks as well. |
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Posted: 7/11/2016 11:53:48 PM EDT
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Someone is looking into it with Glocks as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: The real advantage of modular frames that has yet to be realized is 80% frames. Someone has already looked into that w/ the 250 - the holdup is the cost of the small parts. Since there are no aftermarket parts kits yet, you have to buy each individual part from SIG.Someone is looking into it with Glocks as well. That would solve the small parts problem, but the grip? Make it take 320 grips & mags, Glock trigger & slide? |
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Posted: 7/12/2016 8:45:17 AM EDT
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Supposedly the trigger is vastly improved from the Gen4 and the pistols are more accurate. Supposedly. If true, awesome, because the Gen4s are horrific. Real question is if Glock will sell these to us mere civilians, and when, because there is certainly to be gnashing of teeth if they don't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like the FBI needs to pi$ off. Why do I hate when people try to change glocks. I guess I'm always afraid they'll. Take such a simple thing and make it complicated. Supposedly the trigger is vastly improved from the Gen4 and the pistols are more accurate. Supposedly. If true, awesome, because the Gen4s are horrific. Real question is if Glock will sell these to us mere civilians, and when, because there is certainly to be gnashing of teeth if they don't. Huh? I own 3 gen 4 19 all I have done to them is factory glock- connector ameriglo cap sights, and gen 3 g17 smooth face trigger bar. While it's not a bullseye gun me and a couple of buds at gun club did a walk back from 10 yards on 1/2 reduced sized idpa steel target. We got back to 60 yards before first miss. We were able to get back to 80 yards and still achieve hits on steel 50% of the time. To quote trek it might be a case of YSINTG. |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 2:37:48 PM EDT
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On another forum an Indianapolis Metro PD cop said they are getting these along with the FBI. They are the only two agencies as Glock is making 10k units. He said he's getting issued his on August 2nd and will post pics then, as the NDAs have not allowed any one to post pics until then.
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Posted: 7/18/2016 2:54:30 PM EDT
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On another forum an Indianapolis Metro PD cop said they are getting these along with the FBI. They are the only two agencies as Glock is making 10k units. He said he's getting issued his on August 2nd and will post pics then, as the NDAs have not allowed any one to post pics until then. I suspect the new Vickers Glocks are going to be these new models. LAV casually mentioned in a response to a question posed on social media that if people didn't like finger grooves, they would be easily removable on the new Vickers Glocks. I assume he isn't referring to needing a Dremel. |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 3:32:36 PM EDT
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On another forum an Indianapolis Metro PD cop said they are getting these along with the FBI. They are the only two agencies as Glock is making 10k units. He said he's getting issued his on August 2nd and will post pics then, as the NDAs have not allowed any one to post pics until then. I find it remarkable that no one has "anonymously" leaked one, in spite of the NDAs. |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 4:22:06 PM EDT
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I find it remarkable that no one has "anonymously" leaked one, in spite of the NDAs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On another forum an Indianapolis Metro PD cop said they are getting these along with the FBI. They are the only two agencies as Glock is making 10k units. He said he's getting issued his on August 2nd and will post pics then, as the NDAs have not allowed any one to post pics until then. I find it remarkable that no one has "anonymously" leaked one, in spite of the NDAs. Yea but it seems like it's a small group of people that have the inside info. Seems like Glock really limits who knows what's going on. That guy from the Indianapolis PD mentioned that only the armorers there know about them. I imagine too that when they were handling/testing them Glock made sure nobody had their phones or cameras. |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 4:23:48 PM EDT
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I find it remarkable that no one has "anonymously" leaked one, in spite of the NDAs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On another forum an Indianapolis Metro PD cop said they are getting these along with the FBI. They are the only two agencies as Glock is making 10k units. He said he's getting issued his on August 2nd and will post pics then, as the NDAs have not allowed any one to post pics until then. I find it remarkable that no one has "anonymously" leaked one, in spite of the NDAs. They were pretty good at keeping the Glock 43 hush hush at SHOT and holding out till NRA Show. |
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Posted: 7/19/2016 9:52:27 PM EDT
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They were pretty good at keeping the Glock 43 hush hush at SHOT and holding out till NRA Show. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On another forum an Indianapolis Metro PD cop said they are getting these along with the FBI. They are the only two agencies as Glock is making 10k units. He said he's getting issued his on August 2nd and will post pics then, as the NDAs have not allowed any one to post pics until then. I find it remarkable that no one has "anonymously" leaked one, in spite of the NDAs. They were pretty good at keeping the Glock 43 hush hush at SHOT and holding out till NRA Show. They did do well but I remember a couple holster makers that pretty much dropped the info. |
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Posted: 7/19/2016 10:25:05 PM EDT
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They did do well but I remember a couple holster makers that pretty much dropped the info. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On another forum an Indianapolis Metro PD cop said they are getting these along with the FBI. They are the only two agencies as Glock is making 10k units. He said he's getting issued his on August 2nd and will post pics then, as the NDAs have not allowed any one to post pics until then. I find it remarkable that no one has "anonymously" leaked one, in spite of the NDAs. They were pretty good at keeping the Glock 43 hush hush at SHOT and holding out till NRA Show. They did do well but I remember a couple holster makers that pretty much dropped the info. Probably won't happen with these since there won't be any frame changes just a few tweaks. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 10:33:05 AM EDT
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here is the G17 holster order posted by TR holsters FB page. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 12:17:49 PM EDT
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https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13332786_511712859029900_4139009009276428813_n.jpg?oh=89832abdfb311fe58bf8d221e564fd2e&oe=5802E54D here is the G17 holster order posted by TR holsters FB page. G17/XC1 according to my search. Seems smart to me, there's really no excuse not to have a light now that the XC1 is out there. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 1:39:22 PM EDT
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G17/XC1 according to my search. Seems smart to me, there's really no excuse not to have a light now that the XC1 is out there. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13332786_511712859029900_4139009009276428813_n.jpg?oh=89832abdfb311fe58bf8d221e564fd2e&oe=5802E54D here is the G17 holster order posted by TR holsters FB page. G17/XC1 according to my search. Seems smart to me, there's really no excuse not to have a light now that the XC1 is out there. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile the quiestion is, did TR holsters have the new modular gun or a gen3/4? |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 3:56:26 PM EDT
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Does the green frame make it more tier 1 or something?
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Posted: 7/20/2016 6:54:32 PM EDT
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the quiestion is, did TR holsters have the new modular gun or a gen3/4? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13332786_511712859029900_4139009009276428813_n.jpg?oh=89832abdfb311fe58bf8d221e564fd2e&oe=5802E54D here is the G17 holster order posted by TR holsters FB page. G17/XC1 according to my search. Seems smart to me, there's really no excuse not to have a light now that the XC1 is out there. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile the quiestion is, did TR holsters have the new modular gun or a gen3/4? Probably just used the same Gen 3/4 mold. Nothing I've seen as possible changes would affect holster fit, especially with a light attached. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 8:35:11 PM EDT
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Interchangeable trigger modules are a fad. Conversions cost damn near what a new handgun costs. I'd much rather just have a second, separate firearm. This x10. Nothing but a SIG marketing Dept pflunder. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 10:42:10 PM EDT
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Probably just used the same Gen 3/4 mold. Nothing I've seen as possible changes would affect holster fit,[/span] I'd think the ambi slide stop would have an effect |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:11:03 AM EDT
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Probably just used the same Gen 3/4 mold. Nothing I've seen as possible changes would affect holster fit,[/span] I'd think the ambi slide stop would have an effect I wouldn't expect much, and could easily be blocked without having the a production gun as long as you know the location. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:44:36 PM EDT
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Does the green frame make it more tier 1 or something? Everyone is tired of black guns. Me included.  The green makes it less....... dark side. LOL.
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Posted: 7/21/2016 2:59:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone is tired of black guns. Me included. The green makes it less....... dark side. LOL.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does the green frame make it more tier 1 or something? Everyone is tired of black guns. Me included. The green makes it less....... dark side. LOL.It just seems kind of trivial for an issued working gun. It ranks up there with the Kimber SIS slide serrations. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 3:51:19 PM EDT
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Everyone is tired of black guns.  You racist!
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Posted: 7/21/2016 7:56:30 PM EDT
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Saw this on GT. Supposed to be a G19 Photochopped to a 19M. If it ends up looking something like that, it might be a winner!
In case of hotlinkage...... http://www.glocktalk.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi64.tinypic.com%2Fzlrrio.jpg&hash=651a0578af7af45193c03f91da2196e2 |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 10:13:55 AM EDT
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Fuck yes.
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Posted: 7/22/2016 4:08:54 PM EDT
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It just seems kind of trivial for an issued working gun. It ranks up there with the Kimber SIS slide serrations. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does the green frame make it more tier 1 or something? Everyone is tired of black guns. Me included. The green makes it less....... dark side. LOL.It just seems kind of trivial for an issued working gun. It ranks up there with the Kimber SIS slide serrations. I hear ya. But since it's plastic, why not use different colors on the frame? Will blend in so much better. LOL. J/K. But really, Black was all the rage in the 80's with the tactical / SWAT / Operators. But now Tan/ FDE is the way to go. I really don't mind the trend. With rifles it makes sense for people that need to blend. I suppose you could say it might give an edge for it to be harder to see and not stick out like a black bullseye. Even for a pistol. Of course in low light, if the bad guys don't have NV, that could work the other way. Anyways... for me something other than black makes a Glock look like 7 million times better. But it's not like it has any practical meaning. I didn't mean to sound racist. Oooops. |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 1:15:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I find it remarkable that no one has "anonymously" leaked one, in spite of the NDAs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: On another forum an Indianapolis Metro PD cop said they are getting these along with the FBI. They are the only two agencies as Glock is making 10k units. He said he's getting issued his on August 2nd and will post pics then, as the NDAs have not allowed any one to post pics until then. I find it remarkable that no one has "anonymously" leaked one, in spite of the NDAs. |
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