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Posted: 5/20/2016 8:21:40 PM EDT
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Even a cheap CO2 laser should have enough power to engrave the polymer deep enough to meet federal requirements. But federal regs require the serial to be engraved in metal and on the frame or receiver. I guess you could cut a window through the frame to the locking block and have the locking block engraved with a serial. The rest of the required markings could be engraved in the polymer. *Just to be clear, no markings are required on a home made Title I firearm at the federal level. THIS ^^^ |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 9:13:10 PM EDT
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Even a cheap CO2 laser should have enough power to engrave the polymer deep enough to meet federal requirements. But federal regs require the serial to be engraved in metal and on the frame or receiver. I guess you could cut a window through the frame to the locking block and have the locking block engraved with a serial. The rest of the required markings could be engraved in the polymer. *Just to be clear, no markings are required on a home made Title I firearm at the federal level. THIS ^^^ Just to be clear, he said "to maintain legality in the People's Republik of New Germany. " |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 1:51:20 AM EDT
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I used a CO2 laser to mark mine, but I know on real glocks there is a metal strip where the serial number is. You can certainly mill a slot out, and insert the metal strip and glue it in with epoxy. You can use etching to mark the metal instead of stamps. Metal stamp is unreliable. You need VERY HARD hit to mark even aluminum, and you must do it in one hit because if you try to hit it more than once, it WILL doublestrike, and to a law enforcement officer it can look like the serial number has been modified at a first glance, which results in unwarranted attention. Those metal stamps are really meant for striking thin (.5mm or so) aluminum or brass sheets with a wood or other soft backing. In that case a small hammer can easily do the job.
Etching will mark most metals to the required depth and it will not doublestrike, and it looks professional. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 9:35:49 AM EDT
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Stealth arms is running a survey to see if there's intrest in an aluminum 80% glock frame.
Hit the survey at the bottom and pass the link around. Even if you are a fan of the specter, having more options in the market will control costs and increase intrest in making more slide assemblies available. https://www.stealtharms.net Wes |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 9:49:20 AM EDT
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Stealth arms is running a survey to see if there's intrest in an aluminum 80% glock frame. Hit the survey at the bottom and pass the link around. Even if you are a fan of the specter, having more options in the market will control costs and increase intrest in making more slide assemblies available. https://www.stealtharms.net Wes An 80% aluminum Glock frame would fill a market niche that doesn't have anything filling it. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 10:03:09 AM EDT
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Stealth arms is running a survey to see if there's intrest in an aluminum 80% glock frame. Several MFGs have made these over the years and found little market demand. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 10:39:43 AM EDT
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Stealth arms is running a survey to see if there's intrest in an aluminum 80% glock frame. Several MFGs have made these over the years and found little market demand. The glock aftermarket has blown up in the last couple of years; there's a lot more 3rd part frames and triggers than there were even 2 years ago. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 12:28:18 PM EDT
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Fellow Spectre builders - I want to put a serial # on my frame (once I mill it in another state and transport it back in according to federal and state law) to maintain legality in the People's Republik of New Germany. Any suggestions on the best way to do this? Steel hand stamps? Find somebody with a strong laser engraver? Ideally I'd like to put on a serial number akin to 'FSCKWEINBERG123'... Someone asked about putting a serial number on theirs on Polymer80's Facebook page. Polymer80 responded back to contact them and they would give them some options. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 1:25:28 PM EDT
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FYI...if you look at Glock serial number plates from 10+ years ago, they appear to have been pressed in from the outside. The more current production frames have them injection molded in place for a more secure attachment. My understanding is that change was made at the "request" of the ATF. Plumb Crazy lowers and New Frontier lowers also had to make some changes to meet some type of marking standards and attachment of serial number plates requirements after initial production to keep the ATF happy. So don't be shocked if eventually we see the ATF step in with guidelines for marking a polymer lower/frame with a serial number that will apply to a completed 80% that is being sold post end-user manufacturing or registered as an NFA item.
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:36:43 PM EDT
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EDITED: Please post any and all WTS/WTT comments in EE, not in tech forums. Thanks, HS.
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Posted: 5/28/2016 12:26:48 PM EDT
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I've been keeping an eye on these on and off since Feb. It'd be great to have a Glock-type pistol 100% off the books. And in PA where you need to go through an FFL for pistol transfers it makes more sense than the other states where you can sell a handgun without an FFL. I bought one of their Phoenix kits for a rainy day project for my 5 year old son and I (maybe in a few years). This would make for another fun project. Seems like they've finally made it to market and work as advertised. I'm fighting the urge to buy one. I might, but right now I definitely have bigger fish to fry.
For those interested I found the following coopin on another forum and it does knock $32 off the price... p80memday2016 One concern I do have with these is holsters. Since it won't fit most kydex rigs due to the difference from Glock, what holsters are yall using? Looks like it might fit in my G17 Safariland holsters. -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 5/29/2016 10:24:51 AM EDT
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Completed <a href="http://s264.photobucket.com/user/zoamaniac/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_82.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii181/zoamaniac/Mobile%20Uploads/image_82.jpeg</a> <a href="http://s264.photobucket.com/user/zoamaniac/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_81.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii181/zoamaniac/Mobile%20Uploads/image_81.jpeg</a> Very nice! Lets see the other side without serial numbers so we get the full ghost gun effect. 
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Posted: 5/29/2016 10:33:25 AM EDT
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The Slide and Barrel have matching SN from Glock... So not exactly full Ghost
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Posted: 5/29/2016 2:54:02 PM EDT
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The Slide and Barrel have matching SN from Glock... So not exactly full Ghost Do any companies make them without serial numbers? I know my Lone Wolf barrel doesn't have a sn. -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 5/29/2016 2:56:31 PM EDT
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Do any companies make them without serial numbers? I know my Lone Wolf barrel doesn't have a sn. -Emt1581 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Slide and Barrel have matching SN from Glock... So not exactly full Ghost Do any companies make them without serial numbers? I know my Lone Wolf barrel doesn't have a sn. -Emt1581 Only Glock puts the serial numbers on the slide and barrel. Any aftermarket parts will not have a serial engraved. |
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Posted: 5/29/2016 11:53:05 PM EDT
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Only Glock puts the serial numbers on the slide and barrel. Any aftermarket parts will not have a serial engraved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Slide and Barrel have matching SN from Glock... So not exactly full Ghost Do any companies make them without serial numbers? I know my Lone Wolf barrel doesn't have a sn. -Emt1581 Only Glock puts the serial numbers on the slide and barrel. Any aftermarket parts will not have a serial engraved. Got it. Follow-up question....is it breaking any laws to alter/delete a pre-existing serial number on a factory glock slide/barrel? I'm thinking no because the only part the ATF/LE cares about is the lower. But I could be wrong. Thanks -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 5/30/2016 1:57:33 AM EDT
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Got it. Follow-up question....is it breaking any laws to alter/delete a pre-existing serial number on a factory glock slide/barrel? I'm thinking no because the only part the ATF/LE cares about is the lower. But I could be wrong. Thanks -Emt1581 I've always assumed serial #s on parts that aren't required by the ATF were either done for QC purposes, or to satisfy laws in other countries. |
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Posted: 5/30/2016 11:28:26 AM EDT
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Got it. Follow-up question....is it breaking any laws to alter/delete a pre-existing serial number on a factory glock slide/barrel? I'm thinking no because the only part the ATF/LE cares about is the lower. But I could be wrong. Thanks -Emt1581 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Slide and Barrel have matching SN from Glock... So not exactly full Ghost Do any companies make them without serial numbers? I know my Lone Wolf barrel doesn't have a sn. -Emt1581 Only Glock puts the serial numbers on the slide and barrel. Any aftermarket parts will not have a serial engraved. Got it. Follow-up question....is it breaking any laws to alter/delete a pre-existing serial number on a factory glock slide/barrel? I'm thinking no because the only part the ATF/LE cares about is the lower. But I could be wrong. Thanks -Emt1581 No |
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Posted: 5/30/2016 12:17:59 PM EDT
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Does this make the hair on the back of your neck stand up
<a href="http://s264.photobucket.com/user/zoamaniac/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_83.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii181/zoamaniac/Mobile%20Uploads/image_83.jpeg</a> <a href="http://s264.photobucket.com/user/zoamaniac/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_84.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii181/zoamaniac/Mobile%20Uploads/image_84.jpeg</a> Can I get SUX or BLOWS for 1000 Alex? EDIT: Wait...can you request custom serial numbers?? Kinda like vanity plates for Glocks?? -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 8:57:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2016 1:06:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An 80% aluminum Glock frame would fill a market niche that doesn't have anything filling it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Stealth arms is running a survey to see if there's intrest in an aluminum 80% glock frame. Hit the survey at the bottom and pass the link around. Even if you are a fan of the specter, having more options in the market will control costs and increase intrest in making more slide assemblies available. https://www.stealtharms.net Wes An 80% aluminum Glock frame would fill a market niche that doesn't have anything filling it. I would buy that so fast! I still am tempted by this polymer one. My only hesitation comes from them being Gen3 guns rather than Gen4. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 11:18:48 PM EDT
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The Slide and Barrel have matching SN from Glock... So not exactly full Ghost Do any companies make them without serial numbers? I know my Lone Wolf barrel doesn't have a sn. -Emt1581 Only Glock puts the serial numbers on the slide and barrel. Any aftermarket parts will not have a serial engraved. Got it. Follow-up question....is it breaking any laws to alter/delete a pre-existing serial number on a factory glock slide/barrel? I'm thinking no because the only part the ATF/LE cares about is the lower. But I could be wrong. Thanks -Emt1581 No The way the law is written in Missouri you might wind up on the wrong side of a jail door removing ANY serial numbers from pretty much anything but especially firearms. YMMV I wouldn't. |
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Posted: 6/13/2016 4:01:42 PM EDT
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I have completed and assembled my Spectre with all the rest of the parts from Lone Wolf including a .357 Sig barrel. I went with extended takedown, slide lock and mag releases which I like. Function tests O.K., but I haven't gotten to the range to try it out yet.
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Posted: 6/16/2016 9:07:26 AM EDT
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Anyone putting lots of rounds through these? Anyone seeing any problems yet?
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Posted: 6/17/2016 4:31:25 PM EDT
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Quote History16 days later and theyre asking $200 now. Bahahahahaha 
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Posted: 6/17/2016 6:36:04 PM EDT
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16 days later and theyre asking $200 now. Bahahahahaha What sux is i have been super busy and missed the deal 
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Posted: 6/18/2016 5:24:42 PM EDT
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Well, I just purchased one at the Kansas City Gun Show.
$140.00 out the door. Looking at the jig and reading the instructions, it appears to be STUPID EASY! I'm surprised BATF allowed this one. It almost seems like you CAN'T screw it up. 
EDIT... I encountered a few issues The pin holes are WAY too tight after you drill them, I suspect it's probably because Glock drills metric holes and the pins are metric. The kit has you drill the holes in U.S. Standard. I literally had to drive the pins in with a mallet 
In addition, I suspect the tiny end mill supplied was broken off on the tip as after cutting the area for the rear rails using my mill the frame had barely any material removed. I had to actually mill into the plastic jig to cut the rails to the proper depth. Last issue, I'm having a hell of a time getting the top locking block pin in properly. I can't seem to get it past the tip of the slide catch spring. I'm still working on this issue. |
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Posted: 6/20/2016 2:57:17 AM EDT
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16 days later and theyre asking $200 now. Bahahahahaha My guess is they'd ordered a huge batch during the presale, and they still had some of those left. |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 10:59:58 PM EDT
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Anybody else notice this in the instructions?
"Chemicals: Generally, you do not use penetrating lubricants on polymer products, they can damage the material. a. Many oils are combined with rust penetrants or some other type of penetrant which can damage polymer based products. Regular gun oil, high quality grease or simple household oils can be used." I have never heard that before. In fact it was my understanding that glocks were impervious to almost all chemicals. I like to use PB Blaster penetrating catylist and wd-40. Am I going to have problems? |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:21:11 PM EDT
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Other than the EE and Gunbroker, does anyone have a source for factory uppers? I just want a factory 17 upper. They seem to go fast.
ETA: I'm going to be buying the 3mm and 4mm drill bits after looking at what was in my kit. This was really shortsighted on Polymer 80% for not just buying metric drills. You know they had to have the same problems that everyone else has had putting those pins in. |
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Posted: 7/6/2016 5:44:11 PM EDT
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To bring this back up, will a gen 4 slide work with these? I've ordered the frame, and everything to put it together. Right now it seems like they only factory slides I can find is gen 4.
I thought the only changes from 3 to 4 were to the frame. But I've been wrong before, wouldn't surprise me if I am now. |
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Posted: 7/6/2016 6:19:53 PM EDT
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The one difference that i can tell so far is that with the gen 4's larger dual recoil spring is that the front frame channel for the spring would need to be larger in diameter on the spectre frame...as for the slide fitting on the frame, I don't know that yet.
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Posted: 7/6/2016 11:30:49 PM EDT
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ETA: I'm going to be buying the 3mm and 4mm drill bits after looking at what was in my kit. This was really shortsighted on Polymer 80% for not just buying metric drills. You know they had to have the same problems that everyone else has had putting those pins in. Yeah, it's complete B.S. I still need to TRY and remove the pins from mine and correctly drill the holes with Metric bits.
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Posted: 7/7/2016 6:15:57 AM EDT
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To bring this back up, will a gen 4 slide work with these? I've ordered the frame, and everything to put it together. Right now it seems like they only factory slides I can find is gen 4. I thought the only changes from 3 to 4 were to the frame. But I've been wrong before, wouldn't surprise me if I am now. No a gen 4 slide will not work. The recoil spring lug on the gen 4 slide is much larger than on the gen 3. That being said, you may be able open up the entire front end enough to make it work but that's not how the frame comes designed. |
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Posted: 7/7/2016 2:20:27 PM EDT
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... I'm surprised BATF allowed this one. It almost seems like you CAN'T screw it up.
.... I'm also surprised -- what they required of the Spectre being non-finished is essentially the same as the alloy or steel frame 1911 80% frames. I've heard through the grapevine that BATFE is quite unpleased that several youtube videos have showed up where people have successfully finished Spectres with nothing much more than a dremel tool, a couple cutting bits, a set of needle files and a hand drill. I was curious as to whether this worked... so I bought an extra Spectre and I can confirm it. In fact I'd actually say that a lot of people might find it EASIER to complete one this way than with a drill press. I'm not sure what BATFE will do about it if anything, but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't find some way of coming down on Polymer 80 and making them change the design to make it harder. I'm thinking of buying a few more just in case. I really wish you could just buy the lower & locking block w/o the jig and tools. Even if that only dropped the price by $20 it would still be cool. |
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Posted: 7/8/2016 12:06:58 PM EDT
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How does his idea sound, since apparently everyone is either buying up the gen 3 glock 17 slides, or they just aren't being sold.
Get a gen 3 glock 22 slide and then get a conversion barrel for 9mm? Or just rock it as a .40 until I can get my hands on a g17 slide? |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 9:39:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I still need to TRY and remove the pins from mine and correctly drill the holes with Metric bits. Quote HistoryQuoted: I still need to TRY and remove the pins from mine and correctly drill the holes with Metric bits. Quoted: How does his idea sound, since apparently everyone is either buying up the gen 3 glock 17 slides, or they just aren't being sold. Get a gen 3 glock 22 slide and then get a conversion barrel for 9mm? Or just rock it as a .40 until I can get my hands on a g17 slide? We really need a company to start making cheap parts kits, or just cheap slides and barrels. |
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Posted: 7/14/2016 2:51:10 PM EDT
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Man, is it just me or is finding parts to build these from the ground up a lot harder than it is for AR's? Seems like every "complete" trigger kit I find comes with different components included/excluded, but maybe some of them just aren't listed because they're implied? I'm guessing some are meant as drop-in replacement kits so they assume you'll use stock components for the rest, but I'm far too much of a noob to tell for sure.
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Posted: 7/14/2016 4:46:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, is it just me or is finding parts to build these from the ground up a lot harder than it is for AR's? Seems like every "complete" trigger kit I find comes with different components included/excluded, but maybe some of them just aren't listed because they're implied? I'm guessing some are meant as drop-in replacement kits so they assume you'll use stock components for the rest, but I'm far too much of a noob to tell for sure. 80% ARs have been around for many years now, and complete part kits down to the last roll pin are available. This just came out for Glock; give it time. |
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Posted: 7/15/2016 5:16:18 PM EDT
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The pin holes are WAY too tight after you drill them, I suspect it's probably because Glock drills metric holes and the pins are metric. Correct I mentioned this in my post dated 5/17/2016, 3 & 4 mm is what you want. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 2:21:32 PM EDT
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Man, is it just me or is finding parts to build these from the ground up a lot harder than it is for AR's? Seems like every "complete" trigger kit I find comes with different components included/excluded, but maybe some of them just aren't listed because they're implied? I'm guessing some are meant as drop-in replacement kits so they assume you'll use stock components for the rest, but I'm far too much of a noob to tell for sure. Lone Wolf distributing has what you need... well, if they aren't OOS on slides... |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 2:40:45 PM EDT
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Chuck a pin punch into your drill press and use the leverage of the press to push the pins out. There are a lot of Gen 3 G22 police trade-ins for $300 out there right now, but at that point you're in for $150 for the Spectre, $300 for the parts gun, and $100 for a conversion barrel, plus shipping and transfer. Personally, I'll just buy a new Gen4 17. We really need a company to start making cheap parts kits, or just cheap slides and barrels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How does his idea sound, since apparently everyone is either buying up the gen 3 glock 17 slides, or they just aren't being sold. Get a gen 3 glock 22 slide and then get a conversion barrel for 9mm? Or just rock it as a .40 until I can get my hands on a g17 slide? We really need a company to start making cheap parts kits, or just cheap slides and barrels. "CHEAP"? That isn't the point of 80%. If you want cheap just buy a used factory Glock. The Spectre is great for someone who wants a totally custom pistol. I built mine in .357 Sig using parts mostly from Lone Wolf. Not a single factory Glock part in it. I went with Lone Wolf's G22/G31 slide and I already had a G22 .357 Sig conversion barrel. Sure, it cost a lot more than a "real" Glock... but pretty much everything in it is extended, upgraded or custom -- I'm digging the extended mag release, slide lock and takedown. The upgraded trigger is lighter and smoother than my Gen2 G22. But the main reasons for doing 80% even for ARs (where it is still cheaper to use a complete stripped lower than an 80% even though AR parts are ubiquitous) is for reasons like the satisfaction of DIY, having no markings, no serial number, no paperwork... and most importantly of all... saying a big FU to BATFE and all the other bed wetters who are so scared of "ghost guns". No... I don't want cheap. I want good. Prices may eventually come down a little if the Spectre becomes popular or if competitors enter the market. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 3:06:38 PM EDT
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Good looking guns folks. Nice work and thanks for this thread. Very interesting.
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Posted: 8/2/2016 1:31:30 PM EDT
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Man, is it just me or is finding parts to build these from the ground up a lot harder than it is for AR's? Seems like every "complete" trigger kit I find comes with different components included/excluded, but maybe some of them just aren't listed because they're implied? I'm guessing some are meant as drop-in replacement kits so they assume you'll use stock components for the rest, but I'm far too much of a noob to tell for sure. Lone Wolf distributing has what you need... well, if they aren't OOS on slides... Yeah that's where all the parts I've decided on so far are coming from. What I'm really having trouble with is figuring out what components are and aren't included in the trigger kits. Seems like some of them leave out certain components, but I can't figure out what exactly is included and what I need to buy separately. |
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Posted: 8/12/2016 5:02:12 PM EDT
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I'm very ignorant regarding aftermarket Glock parts. Is the Polymer 80 slide they're selling a good value? Or should I wait for a used Zev Tech? I was trying to get a factory Glock 17 upper but the prices are comparable to the aftermarket set ups.
I'm liking the idea of a completely custom pistol. ETA. Not going to suppress the pistol if that matters. |
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Posted: 8/13/2016 9:43:39 PM EDT
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Did my first kt. Had to buy a Mag release spring and metric drill bits. GLOCK 34. The rest i had laying around.
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Posted: 8/13/2016 10:18:56 PM EDT
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Looks like they have a compact prototype and have the mold in production. Shouldn't be long now for the compact.
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