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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:21:33 PM EDT
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Are Glocks not selling?
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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:22:20 PM EDT
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Are Glocks not selling? Not to me they ain't! 
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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:22:56 PM EDT
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Why should they make big changes for us? The rest of their customers in the world are pleased with them I'm sure.I'm glass they change as much as they do. Too many changes, it's no longer the same gun customers buy millions of.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:24:18 PM EDT
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Not to me they ain't! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are Glocks not selling? Not to me they ain't! That's okay, I have more than made up for your sloth and/or lack of sense. 
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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:26:19 PM EDT
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They don't even have the full line available in Gen 4 yet.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:26:21 PM EDT
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The G42 is wildly sucessfull. The G30S is a hit. You can chose between Gen3 and Gen4 for several models.
I dont think they need to change a thing until sales slump. |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:30:44 PM EDT
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The G42 is wildly sucessfull... You think it has done well, just wait until they release the same gun (or at least VERY similar) in 9mmP (as I am convinced they will do once the G42 market is saturated). Talk about "wildly successful," that one will bring scalper prices in most markets for years. JMHO, of course. 
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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:45:23 PM EDT
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I would really like to see a 10mm version of the 41.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 1:01:14 PM EDT
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What;'s next ?
Hopefully Steel sights upgrade there trigger weight and pull and catch up to Walther and HK |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 1:04:38 PM EDT
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Where trigger set ups?
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Posted: 8/25/2014 1:09:22 PM EDT
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Are Glocks not selling? They absolutely are great sellers. I'm just wondering what their responses will be now that we're seeing the competition rapidly advancing in features while GLOCK has stuck to the basics. |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 1:10:12 PM EDT
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The G42 is wildly sucessfull. The G30S is a hit. You can chose between Gen3 and Gen4 for several models. I dont think they need to change a thing until sales slump. You're right. They shouldn't. My question is what they will likely do when that slump does eventually happen. |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 1:53:41 PM EDT
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Why fix what is not broken?
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Posted: 8/25/2014 1:54:45 PM EDT
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Seems to me they are scrambling to catch up to Glock
Isn't the VP9 just that a Glock knockoff? Legit question I have never seen or disassembled one I would like Glock to enlarge the trigger guard. Using gloves with Glocks is difficult for me and Better sights And the unicorn. Single stack 9. |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 2:00:41 PM EDT
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There's lots of chatter about new pistols from other companies. For example, the Walther PPQ and the H&K VP9. While other companies are rapidly updating their pistols with complete ambi controls, better stock sights, better grips, etc, GLOCK largely stays the same. At what point will GLOCK feel a need to modernize their features? Are they at a risk of becoming stale/boring? How many more years until they give in and start offering features such as front serrations? With nothing new to offer, how long can they maintain their position? What would the GLOCK response be if U.S. PDs start overwhelmingly going with the VP9 or something simliar? Note- In the GD VP9 thread, I openly critize GLOCK's slow updates. I started this thread because I'm guinely curious about their upcoming strategies (new marketing? new pistols?) and another GD thread would be a circus. I was hoping to see a serious discussion from GLOCK fans about where they see their favorite company going in the market. If this seems too general to be in a tech forum I'll request it locked, but I was hoping to see serious information of how GLOCK will continue to compete with their rapidly changing competition. So, what's next? I don't think you will see anything major from them. Their strength is their weakness. If they change the magazine release so that it is ambidextrous and it necessitates a new magazine design, then you lose your ability to use all of the mountains of Glock mags already in the wild. Same thing with after market parts, etc. A major change to their design would be a big financial risk. They are better off taking a hit on some sells than paying the development and production cost of something very different that may not sell well. It's not like they are exactly hurting. I just don't see them taking a big risk. You have companies like SIG that are making new pistol designs, pistol carbines, and rifles. Sure some of them flop or have a rocky start up, but that is part of trying to innovate. I love my Glocks, they do what I want them to, but Glock sells Glock handguns the end. Don't see that changing. |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 2:11:35 PM EDT
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Considering Glock still holds a huge market share in both LE and commercial sales, why should they change. I've owned both the PPQ and VP9 and there's only minor improvements in some areas but not enough to make that much of a difference to me. I will stick with Glocks.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 2:24:39 PM EDT
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Glock needs to do a carbine with an ar15 base and a single stack g26. Plain and simple.
Gaston says FOAD to all of us Americans and our wants/needs... |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 3:06:52 PM EDT
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To me a Glock is no different than a High point pistol.
1. both look pretty much the same as the day they came out 2. both work well 3. each has a fan base that either loves or hates them besides functionality i like style, and its like waiting for the next gen iPhone and then getting basically the same product. I would love to see them do something completely different, no bullshit, like a  1911
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Posted: 8/25/2014 3:08:42 PM EDT
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Glock needs to do a carbine with an ar15 base and a single stack g26. Plain and simple. Gaston says FOAD to all of us Americans and our wants/needs... EXACTLY, something different. |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:12:43 PM EDT
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Hopefully just good prices.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:25:43 PM EDT
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What's Next?
A .380 carbine of course. Have all you guys been asleep this entire time?
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:39:36 PM EDT
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Are Glocks not selling? No...Glocks are not, not selling. |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:41:45 PM EDT
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Are Glocks not selling? my thoughts exactly......to make it short, why change what works and has been selling? if you havent noticed a bunch of companies have made glock clones in the past 5 years or so... |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:50:18 PM EDT
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Shot Show 2016, single stack 9mm.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 6:47:06 AM EDT
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Single stack 9mm with same dimensions as the 42. Maybe I'll buy that, otherwise they're just fueling the cult.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 8:08:03 AM EDT
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my thoughts exactly......to make it short, why change what works and has been selling? if you havent noticed a bunch of companies have made glock clones in the past 5 years or so... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are Glocks not selling? my thoughts exactly......to make it short, why change what works and has been selling? if you havent noticed a bunch of companies have made glock clones in the past 5 years or so... In what way, though are they clones? From simply being polymer and striker-fired? No much else similar any more for features. It's starting to seem to me that they're starting to get passed in the game they helped create. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 9:05:20 AM EDT
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The only improvements I could see is offering a Paddle mag release and easier take down like the PPQ. But that could easily get into a lawsuit
In fact theres not a whole lot they can do without getting into a lawsuit |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 9:11:44 AM EDT
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Single Stack 9 is a must. Really, Glocks aren't about whiz-bang excitement - they're about reliability and simplicity. That's their appeal. I have 10 Glocks, and they all function in about the same manner. I can pick any one of them up, blindfolded, and break it down in a heartbeat. The triggers and actions work consistently, across the whole line. The grip and feel is similar, even accounting for dramatic differences between size in say my G20 and G42... there is still much about them that's consistent. They are tools. I don't buy them because they are exciting or even interesting. I buy them because the are simple and they work.
Also love my Sigs, and have 5 of them, but those are marvels. I enjoy the subtle differences between my DAK, SA/DA, and SRT triggers. After I shoot my Sigs, I enjoy breaking them down and cleaning them, while marveling at their intricate lines and machining. After I shoot my Glocks, I throw them in the safe and forget about them. Both have their place, in my collection. I would argue that if Glock made any radical changes, it'd hurt their appeal. Nothing about Glock is broken. They just need to keep adding smaller shooters (like a single stack 9), keep miking their existing models a bit lighter/slimmer (like the 30s), and keep adding the match-ready models (like the G41). If it aint' broke, don't fix it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Single stack 9mm with same dimensions as the 42. Maybe I'll buy that, otherwise they're just fueling the cult. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 10:21:47 AM EDT
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^^^ Couldn't agree more even if I climbed up on a ladder and tried real hard.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 12:18:03 PM EDT
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A .22lr glock in the same vein as the M&P22 would be nice.
G17 dimensions, etc. Not sure it fits within their business model, though. May be unwilling to invest in the rimfire market.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:27:18 PM EDT
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A .22lr glock in the same vein as the M&P22 would be nice. G17 dimensions, etc. Not sure it fits within their business model, though. May be unwilling to invest in the rimfire market. anything in the rimfire products is probably all but pointless right now and would probably lose money instead of gain |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:58:14 PM EDT
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Somehow I don't think Glock would do a rimfire, at least not for a while. Truth be told, every 22 auto pistol I've ever shot has exhibited marginal reliability, some better than others. But even the best of them still fail occasionally, and tend to be finicky with ammo. Glock has a reputation for reliability that would likely suffer, due to the limitations of rimfire through an auto pistol.
So, I don't think they'd do it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
anything in the rimfire products is probably all but pointless right now and would probably lose money instead of gain Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A .22lr glock in the same vein as the M&P22 would be nice. G17 dimensions, etc. Not sure it fits within their business model, though. May be unwilling to invest in the rimfire market. anything in the rimfire products is probably all but pointless right now and would probably lose money instead of gain |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:01:52 PM EDT
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anything in the rimfire products is probably all but pointless right now and would probably lose money instead of gain Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A .22lr glock in the same vein as the M&P22 would be nice. G17 dimensions, etc. Not sure it fits within their business model, though. May be unwilling to invest in the rimfire market. anything in the rimfire products is probably all but pointless right now and would probably lose money instead of gain As I opined to a friend earlier this very week, Glock has everything to lose and little or nothing to gain by delving into rimfires. Glock's greatest "claim to fame" is their legendary reliability... rimfire semi-auto pistols are notorious for feed reliability problems, and even the very best examples can be ammo-sensitive (some ridiculously so). Add in that there is already a healthy aftermarket for rimfire Glock conversions, and I think Glock would be making a potentially huge mistake to try that. JMHO, as always. ETA: Dang, that post above wasn't there when I started typing... eerily similar opinions, though.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 4:46:33 PM EDT
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You don't mess with Perfection!
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Posted: 8/26/2014 5:17:17 PM EDT
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As I opined to a friend earlier this very week, Glock has everything to lose and little or nothing to gain by delving into rimfires. Glock's greatest "claim to fame" is their legendary reliability... rimfire semi-auto pistols are notorious for feed reliability problems, and even the very best examples can be ammo-sensitive (some ridiculously so). Add in that there is already a healthy aftermarket for rimfire Glock conversions, and I think Glock would be making a potentially huge mistake to try that. JMHO, as always. ETA: Dang, that post above wasn't there when I started typing... eerily similar opinions, though.
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A .22lr glock in the same vein as the M&P22 would be nice. G17 dimensions, etc. Not sure it fits within their business model, though. May be unwilling to invest in the rimfire market. anything in the rimfire products is probably all but pointless right now and would probably lose money instead of gain As I opined to a friend earlier this very week, Glock has everything to lose and little or nothing to gain by delving into rimfires. Glock's greatest "claim to fame" is their legendary reliability... rimfire semi-auto pistols are notorious for feed reliability problems, and even the very best examples can be ammo-sensitive (some ridiculously so). Add in that there is already a healthy aftermarket for rimfire Glock conversions, and I think Glock would be making a potentially huge mistake to try that. JMHO, as always. ETA: Dang, that post above wasn't there when I started typing... eerily similar opinions, though.
Great minds think alike and great minds think of profitability when it comes to products |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 5:47:25 PM EDT
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Serrations would be nice, although they did recently release the TB models that are suppressor ready.
Their next steps should be: Optic ready slide (think Core) Single stack 9/40 (think Shield/XDs) And threaded barrels for above options. And RTFs again. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 6:09:14 PM EDT
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Why change a thing.......Glock=Perfection
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:32:07 AM EDT
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You don't mess with Perfection! Check out the MIM thread lately? They have taken a hit lately over reliability and innovation. I'm wondering what the company will look like in 15 years when every other company is continuously innovating and introducing new features and models such as Sig and HK in recent years. Not fixing what isn't broke is wise, but playing catch up later is never good. Think Kodak. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:49:03 AM EDT
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Glock needs to do a carbine with an ar15 base and a single stack g26. Plain and simple. or if not bothering with the shield market share perhaps a g26 with an optional frame mounted safety for AIWB carry 
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:57:05 AM EDT
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Check out the MIM thread lately? They have taken a hit lately over reliability and innovation. I'm wondering what the company will look like in 15 years when every other company is continuously innovating and introducing new features and models such as Sig and HK in recent years. Not fixing what isn't broke is wise, but playing catch up later is never good. Think Kodak. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You don't mess with Perfection! Check out the MIM thread lately? They have taken a hit lately over reliability and innovation. I'm wondering what the company will look like in 15 years when every other company is continuously innovating and introducing new features and models such as Sig and HK in recent years. Not fixing what isn't broke is wise, but playing catch up later is never good. Think Kodak. Proof of this from someone other than a bunch of gun forum members? |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:10:28 AM EDT
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Proof of this from someone other than a bunch of gun forum members? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You don't mess with Perfection! Check out the MIM thread lately? They have taken a hit lately over reliability and innovation. I'm wondering what the company will look like in 15 years when every other company is continuously innovating and introducing new features and models such as Sig and HK in recent years. Not fixing what isn't broke is wise, but playing catch up later is never good. Think Kodak. Proof of this from someone other than a bunch of gun forum members? I meant that purely as forum chatter. I'm sure their numbers don't reflect it. It's all just an observation and me wondering what they'll do in future to remain competitive (not that numbers-wise they need it right now, but no company can stay the same forever and maintain massive marketshare for good). |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:42:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As I opined to a friend earlier this very week, Glock has everything to lose and little or nothing to gain by delving into rimfires. Glock's greatest "claim to fame" is their legendary reliability... rimfire semi-auto pistols are notorious for feed reliability problems, and even the very best examples can be ammo-sensitive (some ridiculously so). Add in that there is already a healthy aftermarket for rimfire Glock conversions, and I think Glock would be making a potentially huge mistake to try that. JMHO, as always. ETA: Dang, that post above wasn't there when I started typing... eerily similar opinions, though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A .22lr glock in the same vein as the M&P22 would be nice. G17 dimensions, etc. Not sure it fits within their business model, though. May be unwilling to invest in the rimfire market. anything in the rimfire products is probably all but pointless right now and would probably lose money instead of gain As I opined to a friend earlier this very week, Glock has everything to lose and little or nothing to gain by delving into rimfires. Glock's greatest "claim to fame" is their legendary reliability... rimfire semi-auto pistols are notorious for feed reliability problems, and even the very best examples can be ammo-sensitive (some ridiculously so). Add in that there is already a healthy aftermarket for rimfire Glock conversions, and I think Glock would be making a potentially huge mistake to try that. JMHO, as always. ETA: Dang, that post above wasn't there when I started typing... eerily similar opinions, though. They killed their reliability fame starting in about 2008 and went right off the cliff about the time of the Gen 4, with ejectors, extractors and all manner of bullshit. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:54:56 AM EDT
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I would really like to see a 10mm version of the 41. Welcome to my brain! 
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Posted: 8/27/2014 11:34:56 AM EDT
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Quote Historybut no company can stay the same forever and maintain massive marketshare for good). Ok, not a company, but a design but...Mikhail Kalshnikov would disagree with that statement. HTR. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 11:43:07 AM EDT
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Ok, not a company, but a design but...Mikhail Kalshnikov would disagree with that statement. HTR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
but no company can stay the same forever and maintain massive marketshare for good). Ok, not a company, but a design but...Mikhail Kalshnikov would disagree with that statement. HTR. But how much did Mikhail earn for his AK design? |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 7:37:02 AM EDT
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Serrations would be nice, although they did recently release the TB models that are suppressor ready. Their next steps should be: Optic ready slide (think Core) Single stack 9/40 (think Shield/XDs) And threaded barrels for above options. And RTFs again. I agree with that. I loved my 17 RTF with the cresent serrations. I was a moron for trading it away. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 7:39:10 AM EDT
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The point being simple, in this case is good.
HTR. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 11:19:45 AM EDT
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They need to get their slide finish fixed
Move away from MiM parts Release a single stack 9/40 Release a 22lr model when .22 re stabilizes Finger groovless frames |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 2:22:36 PM EDT
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They need to get their slide finish fixed Move away from MiM parts Release a single stack 9/40 Release a 22lr model when .22 re stabilizes Finger groovless frames I couldn't agree more. HTR. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 3:41:14 PM EDT
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You don't mess with perfection
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