 ISUSteve 
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Posted: 8/4/2012 11:05:31 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I have a G22 and am looking at a TLR-1s. Is there anything I need to do to to ensure reliability or is this just an internet myth? |
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Mach
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Posted: 8/5/2012 3:58:09 AM
[Last Edit: 8/5/2012 4:32:52 AM by Mach]
I think glock recomends new 11 coil springs and at least #8 followers.
I did not do that with my 2008 gen 3 With TLR-1 and it does malfunction about once every 50 rounds with WWB. Doesn't seem to do it with Speer gold dot, but I haven't shot as many of those through it. The 3 mags I did shoot through it ran fine. |
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Mach
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Posted: 8/5/2012 4:12:17 AM
I just read a few threads that said the issue is resolved by tightening the light with a paperclip, meaning not to tight.
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Posted: 8/5/2012 7:29:19 AM
[Last Edit: 8/5/2012 7:29:42 AM by TheJeanyus]
I have a G22 + TLR-1 with around 1200 rounds through it without cleaning or lubrication...not a single malfunction. I tightened the light "finger tight", and it has been fine. Leaving here in a few minutes to go put a few more through it.
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Posted: 8/5/2012 8:50:18 AM
+1 to not overtightening the TLR-1 and the #8 or #9 follower in mag bodies with a #1 or #2 on the back (lower right of the witness holes). No problems with my Gen3 G22 with lights attached.
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Posted: 8/5/2012 11:58:57 AM
[Last Edit: 8/5/2012 12:00:25 PM by Swat_dude]
No internet myth-Mine was malfunction city. Sold it and went with the 21gen4. Due to the way they attach, some have had better luck with the Surefire since the way it attaches doesn't clamp the frame as hard. Do a search on here. There are a bunch of threads on this. It has to do with the TLR-1 making the frame, which normally flexes and adds drag to the slide, too rigid. This increases slide velocity and results in a malfunction where the round is forced down into the front of the mag. The slide cycles so fast that the next round has not had time to come up fully. All the #9 springs do is push the ammo up harder against the slide to slow it down. By the way, the dual recoil spring of the gen4 was the answer to the TLR issue as many PD's were complaining. Mostly only Glock 22's were affected for some reason.
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Mach
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Posted: 8/5/2012 7:48:12 PM
Originally Posted By Swat_dude:
No internet myth-Mine was malfunction city. Sold it and went with the 21gen4. Due to the way they attach, some have had better luck with the Surefire since the way it attaches doesn't clamp the frame as hard. Do a search on here. There are a bunch of threads on this. It has to do with the TLR-1 making the frame, which normally flexes and adds drag to the slide, too rigid. This increases slide velocity and results in a malfunction where the round is forced down into the front of the mag. The slide cycles so fast that the next round has not had time to come up fully. All the #9 springs do is push the ammo up harder against the slide to slow it down. By the way, the dual recoil spring of the gen4 was the answer to the TLR issue as many PD's were complaining. Mostly only Glock 22's were affected for some reason. Will the gen 4 recoil spring fit in a gen 3? |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 11:19:23 PM
[Last Edit: 8/5/2012 11:26:31 PM by Mb121]
Originally Posted By Mach:
Originally Posted By Swat_dude:
No internet myth-Mine was malfunction city. Sold it and went with the 21gen4. Due to the way they attach, some have had better luck with the Surefire since the way it attaches doesn't clamp the frame as hard. Do a search on here. There are a bunch of threads on this. It has to do with the TLR-1 making the frame, which normally flexes and adds drag to the slide, too rigid. This increases slide velocity and results in a malfunction where the round is forced down into the front of the mag. The slide cycles so fast that the next round has not had time to come up fully. All the #9 springs do is push the ammo up harder against the slide to slow it down. By the way, the dual recoil spring of the gen4 was the answer to the TLR issue as many PD's were complaining. Mostly only Glock 22's were affected for some reason. Will the gen 4 recoil spring fit in a gen 3? No, the Gen4 recoil spring assembly is larger than the Gen3 and as such the slide does have different dimensions to accommodate it. ETA: Picture to show difference, Gen4 on top. 
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Posted: 8/5/2012 11:24:52 PM
I've had an insight M3 on my G22 and G23 for years. Many thousands of rounds without issue.
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Posted: 8/6/2012 12:03:42 AM
G22 RTF2 + TLR-1 here.
Not a single problem or hiccup through +1000 rds now, of various loads. (target and protection) Like others have noted, finger tight on the mounting of the TLR-1. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 2:03:42 AM
It's a real phenomenon, but inconsistent (it's hit-and-miss even within the same 1,000-gun batch).
There is no sure cure, either. No such problem with the Gen4s. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 10:00:29 AM
Originally Posted By familyman357:
It's a real phenomenon, but inconsistent (it's hit-and-miss even within the same 1,000-gun batch). There is no sure cure, either. No such problem with the Gen4s. +1 Even with the "fixes" I have seen them fail. Yet some run fine. Advice, if it's a gen 3 use a handheld. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 10:24:05 AM
As far as I can see this issue has been dramatically exagerated by Internet rumor. I have a Gen 3 (OD) G22 that I bought in 2007. It is my duty gun for my role as a part-time deputy Sheriff, and I have trained with it a good bit. It has about 2k rounds through it. 99% of those rounds were fired with a Surefire x200A mounted on it, and it has never malfunctioned––ever.
I have not changed any parts on the gun. It has factory night sights. Whatever you gun you choose to trust your life to, you should get it in the configuration you plan to carry and put enough rounds through it that you are confident in it before placing it in service. If I had trouble with my G22 (or any other carry gun), I would take it out of service untl I had resolved the issue and had at least a few hundred trouble free rounds. In the grand scheme of things, guns are cheap compared to the important things in life you are trying to protect. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 10:32:36 AM
Originally Posted By Mach:
I just read a few threads that said the issue is resolved by tightening the light with a paperclip, meaning not to tight. The lights are meant to be hand tight only. It issue is too much slide velocity due to a stiffer frame. If you do end up getting a gun that has issues, get a heavier spring. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 12:15:08 PM
[Last Edit: 8/6/2012 12:31:29 PM by Swat_dude]
Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot:
As far as I can see this issue has been dramatically exagerated by Internet rumor. I have a Gen 3 (OD) G22 that I bought in 2007. It is my duty gun for my role as a part-time deputy Sheriff, and I have trained with it a good bit. It has about 2k rounds through it. 99% of those rounds were fired with a Surefire x200A mounted on it, and it has never malfunctioned––ever. I have not changed any parts on the gun. It has factory night sights. Whatever you gun you choose to trust your life to, you should get it in the configuration you plan to carry and put enough rounds through it that you are confident in it before placing it in service. If I had trouble with my G22 (or any other carry gun), I would take it out of service untl I had resolved the issue and had at least a few hundred trouble free rounds. In the grand scheme of things, guns are cheap compared to the important things in life you are trying to protect. I'm not sure what you mean by internet rumor. Maybe a better sentence would be "the fact that people only report things when they go wrong exaggerates the actual percentage of Glocks that are affected." I also might add that the Surefire does not seem to exhibit the malfunction as much due to the fact it doesn't clamp the frame perpendicular to the barrel. I can assure you my issue was very real, not a rumor. I carried my Glock 22 as my police service weapon for 8 years before retiring in 2001. Weapon mounted lights were just becoming popular when I left so I never had one on my gun on duty. I can also tell you that I used my Glock 22 for 6 of those years on SWAT, which meant I fired the heck out of it and during the entire time I was an officer, I never had a single malfunction, not even when using the crappy aluminum department range ammo. That is, until I attached the TLR-1 a few years after I retired. I tried the new mag springs and loosening it up and it ran for over 200 rounds before the malfunction happened again. Having known a gun that was always 100% reliable in 8 years, I lost faith in it to the point I sold it. You are right though, the malfunction is sporadic with no rhyme or reason. The OP could always try it and dump the TLR-1 on the EE if it didn't work. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 12:35:36 AM
How is the TLR-1 mounting different than the X300?
I'm a little nervous to grab the TLR now. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 6:53:18 AM
Originally Posted By ISUSteve:
How is the TLR-1 mounting different than the X300? I'm a little nervous to grab the TLR now. The TLR-1 gets tightened onto the frame with the self-contained screw that goes perpendicular through the unit, which pulls a retention plate tight onto the rail holding the light onto the frame. The X300 is really just pressure fit onto the rail by a snug fit and is held in place by a spring loaded notch that fits up into the perpendicular cut in the bottom of the frame rail. Remove the X300 simply by pulling down on the tabs on either side of the unit, which pulls down the tab from the notch and allows the light to simply be pulled of the rail. The TLR-1 is not complicated or overly difficult, don't get me wrong, but the X300 is stupid easy in comparison. |
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