I am.  I've got some coins, beer glasses, coffee mugs, etc. all right here.  





 

tag for when I get a shot timer

First time in 10-29-2000, second time 11-7-2004 (I can't find my certificate) third time 8-3-2008. My score in 2000 was 135/150. In 2008 it was 138/150. Pistol was a G-22 both times. Holster in 2000 was a Galco FLETCH OWB and in 2008 a RM Lowrider IWB.I believe my score in 2004 was a 141/150 but as I said I can't locate my certificate.

I've seen those FR&I shirts before.  You must be on the GL.




 

I use to frequent it a lot but I work out of town during the week and could not keep up with the email after being gone four days in a row.

Would an IDPA target work??  All shots in the 0 and -1zone?

It looks about right.  You could measure and see if the dimensions match.



 

That's what I've been using until I can get myself a real shot timer.  It works surprisingly well.  

Is it sensitive enough to pick up dry firing?

No. It is sensitive enough to pick up when the zipper of your jacket hits it.



 

Drill - Run 1 - Run 2                                  
1 - 1.22  - 1.22





2  - 0.79 - 0.86





3 - 1.67
4 -  2.29
- 2.22
5 - 0.99 - 0.90





6 -  2.33 -  2.40





7  - 2.37 - 2.34
Total score 150: PASS



Time standards: PASS


Comment: All shots inside large circle, 26 of the shots inside inner
circle.
Equipment used:
Pistol: Beretta 92FS Vertec


Holster: Comp-Tac Paddle


Mags: Comp-Tac Single Mag


Concealment: 5.11 Vest

Thanks, Master class IDPA, A Class USPSA, but will make Master with 1 more decent classifier.  I practice quite a bit, thanks for the drill to give me something different to do.  Only thing I didn't like was the wind kept blowing off my target printouts.  Ran out of staples and had to use target pasters to keep them on.





 

I'm totally up for this challenge. I can record myself shooting in front of a shot timer.





 

Just got back from the range, man is that qual challenging! 1, 4, and 7
gave me some problems, it took 4 tries to pass the time portion



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Drill- Run1 -Run 2
1- 1.63 - 1.46
2- .96 - .94
3.- 1.83
4.- 2.79 - 3.10
5.- 1.38 - 1.34
6. 3.25 - 3.28
7. 3.47 - 4.11
Total score 135




Equipment used:
Pistol: Glock 19 w/ XS Big Dot





Holster: Raven Concealment





Mags: Raven Concealment single





Concealment: Light rain jacket
Targets used were the SEB style targets, slightly smaller than the
actual qualification targets but with the same bottle shape. Thanks for the Challenge!

I just wanted to bump this thread.  I was hoping to get to try this today, but the match ran late and after it was over no one wanted to stick around for more.  I'm hoping to get to try this soon, but my range access has been limited lately.

Anyway, you guys that haven't done this should give it a shot.  This is a good challenge; let's get some more participation!

Does anyone know where I can get a shot timer for a decent price? (college student here).

Nice shooting!

1st off, my iphone Surefire timer didn't work worth a damn last time I was out.  I tried sensitivity up and down and it would only pick up sporadically for me, but the guy 10 lanes down, picked up every shot.  I'm not sure if the overhead cover was amplifying the sound too much and it was just clipping out and not registering or what.

tag

Nice shooting.

Now I am going to have to try this.

Tagged for practice later.

I tried it on an indoor Bass Pro Range.  Not ideal and couldn't do the muli-target part of the challenge.  I was with a newer shooter who has done nothing but try to hit the bullseye at 7yds.  We both had a lot of fun and ran through the different stages a couple of times.  We had the range to ourselves which was nice.  What I didn't know was the range officers there have CC TV and were watching.  When we were done and leaving he asked us if we were Law Enforcement.  We both said no.  Then he asked if we were military.  We said no, but I added I was former infantry.  He then told us that double taps were not really allowed, but he could see we knew what we were doing, so he let us continue.  He said they never have guys in there running drills, it was nice to see.

I will try the actual challenge shortly.

Air Marshal Ready: High ready position, the pistol held in front of the sternum.

I will try to set up what is needed this upcoming Sunday or next and see if I give it a go.

Glad I came across this thread!  I ran across this qualification a few years ago and thought it was a great skill builder and benchmark.  I even went to the extent of buying a couple of the correct targets as templates, and then spray-painted several dozen facsimilies onto butcher paper to use as my targets.

Funny thing is, all that effort and somewhere I lost steam, or, more likely, got sidetracked by another project/idea.  This has rekindled my interest.  

As to whether I can pass it, I'm a little doubtful that I could do it cold right now.    Couple of years ago maybe, but due to a move and new job I haven't shot much in the past couple of years, and practically no pistol in 9 months.  I'll post my results.

Don"t laugh!


Two things that impressed me about this qual course were that it was a real challenge (unlike some police and sheriff courses I was familiar with, and the fact that no warm-up was allowed.  Walk in and shoot it cold, just like real life.

OK, so I stole some time today and headed up to the range.  Didn't videotape myself as it would have increased the hassle factor considerably, and I don't have a good tripod.  So I found the targets I'd made several years ago (described in previous post), grabbed a few guns and headed up.  Luckily I was alone on the pistol range.

The guns were: 1) Glock 19 Gen 2  I think (no finger-grooves), bone stock except for a set of Heinie Straight 8s.  
                          2) Glock 34, also with Heinie Straight 8s, a reduced trigger pull kit (Lightning I think), non captive Wolff recoil spring and a steel guide rod (non-weighted).
                          3) CZ75B, stock except for a replacement fiber-optic (red/orange) front sight.  
                          4) Sig P226 9mm that I've had forever, bone stock––complete with lousy Sig finish and surface rust in the grop panel screw slots.  
                          5) Kimber Classic 1911 .45, also with Heinie Straight 8s.  Except I forgot the ammo.  

Holsters:
For the Glocks I used a kydex TacPro straight-drop  OWBthat I got for a good price from Brownells years ago.  Haven't heard of them since, but I like it.  I use it both for CCW and range use, but it does conceal well for an OWB.    

For the CZ and Sig I used a leather slide holster designed for the Sig that I got from Dillon several years ago.

Galco leather double mag pouch for all.

Cover garment was a lightweight fleece vest.

What I found in running the course was that, not surprisingly, I improved slightly as I became more familiar with the course.  The largest variable was getting over my nerves, meaning that in the first run I didn't know how close or far I'd be from the score, so I rushed things and was sloppy; decidedly NOT smooth.  Onc e I recorded my scores and realized I was close, I settled down some and things went better.  

Continued because my computer was getting funky...

I ran it a total of 5 times, starting and ending with the G19.

                G19               ––-                                                     G34                  ––-                      CZ            ––-                                 P226         ––-                                         G19
1)     1.77/1.67 3.44 (no go)––                                               1.58/1.60  ––                              1.63/1.57 ––                                  1.72/1.73––                                         1.66/1.53

2)     1.07/ .98––                                                                     1.03/ .95––                                 1.16/.98––                                     1.06/1.04––                                         1.14/1.03

3)      2.19 ––                                                                            2.35     ––                                  2.37                ––                           2.32    ––                                              2.28

4)     3.26/3.28 (no go)                                        ––                 3.37/2.89          ––                      2.83/3.02         ––                          2.94/2.79   ––                                      3.03/3.34
––
5)     1.55/1.36                   ––                                                  1.34/1.21     ––                            1.29/1.38    ––                               1.48/1.35   ––                                      1.40/1.33

6)     2.76/2.89            ––                                                         2.77/2.84       ––                          3.30/3.18          ––                           2.93/3.11   ––                                     2.94/2.91

7)    4.28/4.14 (no go)    ––                                                     3.02/3.38        ––                          3.02/3.88      ––                               3.24/3.03              ––                         3.21/3.50

TOTAL POINTS

         132                          ––-                                                     145*   ––-                                         147             ––-                                 142    ––-                                           150

So as you can see, my first run of the day was a non-qual.  Interestingly my last run with the same gun was a clean (perfect) score.  I have a feeling my second run was clean as well and I had two rounds go through the same hole, but I took the -5 just to be sporting.  It just felt good, I can't imagine I missed the entire paper.

Subjective impressions were that it was definitely easier to shoot the full-sized guns over the G19.  The fiber optic sight really helped the front sight stand out against the target for this relatively close range and quick shooting.  The CZ was fired exclusivey SA, condition 1 to start,  The 226's DA first shot pull slowed me down in string 1, and the hits were poorer quality.  After that, the Sig just shoots great.  It's interesting, because even though the Sig has a higher bore axis than the other three designs, in rapid fire it just returns right to zero for me and the short light reset allows for fast and accurate hits.   The slight differences between runs was due to minor variations or bobbles; sometimes the difference between a slide closing when I slammed a magazine home, or not.  I'm confident that if I were to go try it again now or in a month, my "cold" score would be much closer to my runs 2-5, and would be a PASS.  I say this not because I improved, but rather because I now know what to expect, and so I won't rush.

All in all I think it's a good qual course to use as a benchmark, and to use as drills.  

I've included a PIC of the targets I made just for grins in case anyone wondered what it looked like.

eEdited to say sorry for the difficult to read formatting.  I tried to clean it up but no joy.

dogcaller - would you mind taking a photo of that target with the critical dimensions measured out? Maybe just write on it with a dark sharpie or something.

Observer, here you go.  I don't recall that the inner black boxes have any significance, so I didn't measure them.

I could have done it a year ago when I was shooting 2-3 times a week. Then I could consistently do a round target from concealment in 1.5 and a reload from concealment in 1.85. That was using a GLOCK 19, Threat Solutions UCR and Blade-Tech pouch under a buttoned shirt.

Now days I pick up junior from the sitter every evening and I'm lucky to shoot twice a month. I think I could still get close if not pass.

Only one way to find out.  I still have some goodies sitting here.



 

Here's my FAM test video from this morning.
I screwed up and shot the "6 round" string before the "doubletaps" but they are all there.

Youtube seems to have clipped about 3 seconds off the end. Plus, I didn't have the camera set to autofocus and auto mike levels.

Draw         1.62  1.57
Dbl tap       1.20  1.15
6 rnds        2.32  
1 rl 1          3.12  3.08
1 at 2         1.43  1.43
180 turn     2.82  2.64
1 knl 1        3.35  3.35

Video

Gringop

IM me your address and I'll send something your way.





 

1.50, 1.15. Whatever it takes.

It's good that I shoot pistol better than I edit video.
IM Sent
Thanks to JW777 for this great thread.
Look for the FBI POC Challenge thread in a few days. Start practicing your 15 and 25 yard shooting, folks.

Gringop

I really enjoyed the sped up mag loading and target moving segments with the Mickey Mouse voice.    I didn't pay close attention.  What gun were you using?



 

My trusty 2nd Gen G19. Maybe I should try it with the P6. Might be hard to make the reload times.

Even with the fast motion segments it came to a 36 MB file. Then Youtube compressed and fuzzed it up some more.

Gringop

Finally got to try this out.  (Most of my shooting lately has been either at a match or an indoor range.)  The downside was that I forgot my hi-def hatcam, so I had to film it with a digital camera.

I used an IDPA target and counted the "zero" and "down one" as the scoring zone.  I think that approximated the offical target fairly closely.
The course was shot cold - no practice draws, no warm-up shots.  (My friend that ran the timer shot it too, he was 1/100th of a second over on the first drill, but he passed all the other drills and the hits on target.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN248jJZyOE

Drill - Run 1 - Run 2

1 - 1.64 - 1.38

2 - 0.93 - 0.89

3 - 1.95

4 - 2.97 - 2.95

5 - 1.13 - 1.38

6 - 2.68 - 2.41

7 - 3.08 - 3.08

Total score 146: PASS
Time standards: PASS

Equipment used:

Pistol: Glock 19 9mm
Holster: Comp-Tac slide OWB
Mags: Carried in two Blackhawk single mag holders
Concealment: cheap vest from Sportsmans Guide

Great drill, thanks for sharing.  I wish more people would give this a shot.  I'm also looking forward to the next challenge thread.

ETA: my score was actually 144 - I suck at math.

Rna through this drill with my new timer.  I was just there to play with the timer.  1, 4 and 7 are definetly the hard drills.  My biggest issue is getting the cover garment out of the way.  I can sporatically pass these portions, but not regularly.  I ranged from 1.4 to 1.8 on the draw portion.  I'm using a Ctac IWB holster at 4 oclock, Glock and a Tshirt covered with an unbuttoned shirt.

Good drill, I'll be running it the next few days and remember to write down my times.

Thanks, J_W.



That's probably why you're having trouble.  A regular shirt will just fold up when you try to brush it back to clear the gun - a stiff jacket or vest will lift away.  

Yea, but I didn't want to 'game' it so to speak.  I was working in the shop and just walked out to the range with what I had on.  It is still with in reach, I'm consistantly under 2 seconds from draw to fire, its just refining it all and practice.

Good practice, good metric.

I suspect IWB/OWB and other holsters differences might make a differences.  For example, does the holster cant the butt to press against the flesh (for max concealment) but thus complicate gripping it?