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Posted: 3/2/2014 3:54:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol no. Rifle shooting, pistol shooting, archery, isn't required for Eagle Scout. Why the hell would they get special priveleges? Besides, most 18 y/o's I know are complete idiots. Including the ones I work with. And yes, I'm an Eagle. 1995. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I believe that Eagle Scouts should be able to carry at the age of 18 after the have graduated high school but still should have to pass a background check and the normal stuff to get a carry permit... What's yalls opinion? lol no. Rifle shooting, pistol shooting, archery, isn't required for Eagle Scout. Why the hell would they get special priveleges? Besides, most 18 y/o's I know are complete idiots. Including the ones I work with. And yes, I'm an Eagle. 1995. Also a 1995 Eagle. Good vintage.
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Posted: 3/2/2014 6:03:48 AM EDT
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I believe that Eagle Scouts should be able to carry at the age of 18 after the have graduated high school but still should have to pass a background check and the normal stuff to get a carry permit... What's yalls opinion? Absolutely not. It's a good social organization but it is just that a social club. Why not ask if a girl scout is qualified, or the Rainbow girls. One law, no exceptions. |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 6:04:53 AM EDT
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No. Same rules for everyone else. This. And this also means removing the special exceptions from the rulebooks too |
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Posted: 3/3/2014 4:32:54 AM EDT
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The on eagle scout I know went to jail for child porn...
I dont want to blanket them as a whole but some seem a little "off". |
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Posted: 3/3/2014 4:55:01 AM EDT
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Having served with Eagle scouts in the field, I can tell you they were good men, good leaders and great cooks. Having said that, there is now a huge contingent of worthless Eagle scouts. My Dad was the scout leader coupled with everyone gets ribbon started the decline of the scouts in the 80's.
I did not make Eagle scout but was a scout leader for a while before I had kids. IMO, to much woman influence directly and indirectly through the fathers. Remember, the SNL girlie men skit. |
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Posted: 3/3/2014 6:14:39 AM EDT
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Absolutely not. It's a good social organization but it is just that a social club. Why not ask if a girl scout is qualified, or the Rainbow girls. One law, no exceptions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe that Eagle Scouts should be able to carry at the age of 18 after the have graduated high school but still should have to pass a background check and the normal stuff to get a carry permit... What's yalls opinion? Absolutely not. It's a good social organization but it is just that a social club. Why not ask if a girl scout is qualified, or the Rainbow girls. One law, no exceptions. ^^^^ This. |
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Posted: 3/3/2014 7:39:42 AM EDT
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No. Same rules for everyone else. |
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Posted: 3/3/2014 12:44:05 PM EDT
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I'm an eagle scout and I'm allowed to carry. I just happen to be 24 and have a carry permit.
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Posted: 3/31/2014 12:10:42 PM EDT
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No...this is coming from an Eagle Scout.
I'm against special classes of people being able to obtain permits easier than your average Joe. |
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Posted: 4/2/2014 6:32:13 PM EDT
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Betting that the OP is an eighteen year old Eagle Scout who just graduated high school.
Maybe Eagle Scouts should carry. And wear a nifty silver badge that reads "Eagle Scout". Like a CCW badge except also thrifty and reverent. |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:46:09 AM EDT
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Eagle Scout here with a long and good resume with guns. Currently 25 years old.
Hell no. I've shot with my fellow scouts and no, just no. First of all, even with rifle shooting merit badge, skills and knowledge erodes without practice. They kids learned something when they were probably 15 years old, doesn't mean they will have retained it when they're 30. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:23:29 AM EDT
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Eagle Scout here with a long and good resume with guns. Currently 25 years old. Hell no. I've shot with my fellow scouts and no, just no. First of all, even with rifle shooting merit badge, skills and knowledge erodes without practice. They kids learned something when they were probably 15 years old, doesn't mean they will have retained it when they're 30. +1 Eagle Scout here as well (26yo) |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 9:32:57 AM EDT
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Boy Scout, Hitler Youth, etc., they're all the same.
Just kidding about that, but why should they receive special treatment? I've known guys who pull a hitch in the army and are still unsafe with firearms. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 11:23:14 AM EDT
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No. Same rules for everyone else. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 6:15:58 PM EDT
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I believe that Eagle Scouts should be able to carry at the age of 18 after the have graduated high school but still should have to pass a background check and the normal stuff to get a carry permit... What's yalls opinion? http://memecrunch.com/meme/RF9J/13er/image.png Should of posted this in GD. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 7:56:00 PM EDT
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I believe that Eagle Scouts should be able to carry at the age of 18 after the have graduated high school but still should have to pass a background check and the normal stuff to get a carry permit... What's yalls opinion? No one should have to do those things. Shall not be infringed applies to Eagle Scouts and all the rest of us. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 5:32:33 PM EDT
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I believe that anyone who does 4 years of JROTC in high school should be able to enlist in the army as a sergeant-major.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 11:00:11 AM EDT
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I guess OP just completed his Eagle project.
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Posted: 4/8/2014 4:07:49 AM EDT
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Age for a LTCH is 18 here; besides I'm with those that say you shouldn't have to have one in the first place.
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Posted: 4/10/2014 8:42:03 AM EDT
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I believe that anyone who does 4 years of JROTC in high school should be able to enlist in the army as a sergeant-major. LOL I wish |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 4:35:13 PM EDT
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I was in the scouts for a while, and growing up rural (I may have my bias) I think we were a little bit more rough and tumble than most other scouts(at least a lot of the other ones we interacted with), and most of us were very familiar with firearms, hunted, shot competitively etc. I don't think anyone in my troop ever even touched a gun through the scouts though. Also, as it became less about having fun and doing stuff outdoors and more about writing essays most of us dropped out (I think I was a "life" scout or some such jazz) in high school in favor of sports, girls, hunting, actual shooting or whatever else.
My only good buddy that got an eagle is getting is doctorate in public health at UCLA so he can tell you how much soda you can drink, and would ban all firearms in a heartbeat. TLDR: Later level boy scouts = paperwork and no actual skills, eagle scouts are usually nerds, scouting (does not equal sign is not working) guns |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:45:45 AM EDT
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I was in the scouts for a while, and growing up rural (I may have my bias) I think we were a little bit more rough and tumble than most other scouts(at least a lot of the other ones we interacted with), and most of us were very familiar with firearms, hunted, shot competitively etc. I don't think anyone in my troop ever even touched a gun through the scouts though. Also, as it became less about having fun and doing stuff outdoors and more about writing essays most of us dropped out (I think I was a "life" scout or some such jazz) in high school in favor of sports, girls, hunting, actual shooting or whatever else. My only good buddy that got an eagle is getting is doctorate in public health at UCLA so he can tell you how much soda you can drink, and would ban all firearms in a heartbeat. TLDR: Later level boy scouts = paperwork and no actual skills, eagle scouts are usually nerds, scouting (does not equal sign is not working) guns Man I dont know where you were but when I was in scouts as we got to the higher ranks we did more age appropriate stuff like white water kayaking, mountain biking, and diving. To OP, as an eagle scout I am going to have to say Hell NO! to your idea. I was a dumb ass kid at 18, most the other guys I knew who were eagle scouts were worse. Granted none of us were nerds. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:44:33 AM EDT
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I believe that Eagle Scouts should be able to carry at the age of 18 after the have graduated high school but still should have to pass a background check and the normal stuff to get a carry permit... What's yalls opinion? You can carry at 18 in Indiana. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 6:16:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can carry at 18 in Indiana. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I believe that Eagle Scouts should be able to carry at the age of 18 after the have graduated high school but still should have to pass a background check and the normal stuff to get a carry permit... What's yalls opinion? You can carry at 18 in Indiana. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:23:14 AM EDT
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What about Girl Scouts? DeMolay? Black Belts? Rhetorical question....
No, they should not be. Allowance by exception is never the answer. I do think Active Duty, Honorably Seperated, and Retired Military should be allowed to carry anywhere at any time. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:09:10 AM EDT
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What about Girl Scouts? DeMolay? Black Belts? Rhetorical question.... No, they should not be. Allowance by exception is never the answer. I do think Active Duty, Honorably Seperated, and Retired Military should be allowed to carry anywhere at any time. I don't know man... some of my .mil / honorably discharged .mil friends are not necessarily my most competent and trustworthy friends. Half of them i would trust with my life / my child (if i had one) and the other half i wouldn't trust to watch my dog for an hour. Thats just how it is. I love the military and have the utmost respect for the people who serve (i really wanted to go in but didn't work out for BS reasons but hey... thats how it goes) but the military doesn't necessarily prepare you for the situations you may face conceal carrying as a civilian. I shoot pretty regularly with a friend who is in the NG and one that served on the USS Carl Vinson... their "weapons competency" is terrible... especially shooting on the move... its scary. I have another friend who served in the Air Force and another that was Army 1st 75th who are extremely capable. Some ex-mil people are now regular drug users and a lot of them need a lot of help dealing with some of the shit that they are dealing with. It just varies a lot person to person... i wouldn't have a problem with it but i don't think it is necessarily a "sure thing" if that makes sense. Maybe active duty... I trust active duty at least as much as LEO but in the imperfect world that we live in, a lot can change after someone is discharged. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 11:41:33 AM EDT
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I don't know man... some of my .mil / honorably discharged .mil friends are not necessarily my most competent and trustworthy friends. Half of them i would trust with my life / my child (if i had one) and the other half i wouldn't trust to watch my dog for an hour. Thats just how it is. I love the military and have the utmost respect for the people who serve (i really wanted to go in but didn't work out for BS reasons but hey... thats how it goes) but the military doesn't necessarily prepare you for the situations you may face conceal carrying as a civilian. I shoot pretty regularly with a friend who is in the NG and one that served on the USS Carl Vinson... their "weapons competency" is terrible... especially shooting on the move... its scary. I have another friend who served in the Air Force and another that was Army 1st 75th who are extremely capable. Some ex-mil people are now regular drug users and a lot of them need a lot of help dealing with some of the shit that they are dealing with. It just varies a lot person to person... i wouldn't have a problem with it but i don't think it is necessarily a "sure thing" if that makes sense. Maybe active duty... I trust active duty at least as much as LEO but in the imperfect world that we live in, a lot can change after someone is discharged. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What about Girl Scouts? DeMolay? Black Belts? Rhetorical question.... No, they should not be. Allowance by exception is never the answer. I do think Active Duty, Honorably Seperated, and Retired Military should be allowed to carry anywhere at any time. I don't know man... some of my .mil / honorably discharged .mil friends are not necessarily my most competent and trustworthy friends. Half of them i would trust with my life / my child (if i had one) and the other half i wouldn't trust to watch my dog for an hour. Thats just how it is. I love the military and have the utmost respect for the people who serve (i really wanted to go in but didn't work out for BS reasons but hey... thats how it goes) but the military doesn't necessarily prepare you for the situations you may face conceal carrying as a civilian. I shoot pretty regularly with a friend who is in the NG and one that served on the USS Carl Vinson... their "weapons competency" is terrible... especially shooting on the move... its scary. I have another friend who served in the Air Force and another that was Army 1st 75th who are extremely capable. Some ex-mil people are now regular drug users and a lot of them need a lot of help dealing with some of the shit that they are dealing with. It just varies a lot person to person... i wouldn't have a problem with it but i don't think it is necessarily a "sure thing" if that makes sense. Maybe active duty... I trust active duty at least as much as LEO but in the imperfect world that we live in, a lot can change after someone is discharged. This man speaks a lot of sense. I know plenty of people that have been/still in the military that should not be able to carry without a proper CCW course. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 11:45:10 AM EDT
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Well, we are all entitled to our opinions....I am a retired US Navy Chief Petty Officer, Communications and Computers. Since I retired I am still working as a contractor writing courses and training on ships, C4I systems. I will trust the judgment over any watch stander on any of these ships over the real estate salesman and insurance brokers who go to whatever school and think they are all that...... It is not about the skills you think you have, it is the ability to think and act decisively that will save lives. Again this is my opinion based on my experiences.
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This man speaks a lot of sense. I know plenty of people that have been/still in the military that should not be able to carry without a proper CCW course. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What about Girl Scouts? DeMolay? Black Belts? Rhetorical question.... No, they should not be. Allowance by exception is never the answer. I do think Active Duty, Honorably Seperated, and Retired Military should be allowed to carry anywhere at any time. I don't know man... some of my .mil / honorably discharged .mil friends are not necessarily my most competent and trustworthy friends. Half of them i would trust with my life / my child (if i had one) and the other half i wouldn't trust to watch my dog for an hour. Thats just how it is. I love the military and have the utmost respect for the people who serve (i really wanted to go in but didn't work out for BS reasons but hey... thats how it goes) but the military doesn't necessarily prepare you for the situations you may face conceal carrying as a civilian. I shoot pretty regularly with a friend who is in the NG and one that served on the USS Carl Vinson... their "weapons competency" is terrible... especially shooting on the move... its scary. I have another friend who served in the Air Force and another that was Army 1st 75th who are extremely capable. Some ex-mil people are now regular drug users and a lot of them need a lot of help dealing with some of the shit that they are dealing with. It just varies a lot person to person... i wouldn't have a problem with it but i don't think it is necessarily a "sure thing" if that makes sense. Maybe active duty... I trust active duty at least as much as LEO but in the imperfect world that we live in, a lot can change after someone is discharged. This man speaks a lot of sense. I know plenty of people that have been/still in the military that should not be able to carry without a proper CCW course. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 8:48:36 PM EDT
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I remember an eagle scout several years ago who was arrested for burglarizing the church where his troop met.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 5:10:48 PM EDT
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I think that because every individual person is just that - individual and different, EVERYONE should be required to take the CHL course. Only thing us .mil should even consider getting is a discount on the class.
The Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act (amended in 2013) allows all LEO's, Peace Officers, and Military Police/certain Coast Guard to conceal carry in any state regardless of state laws, as long as they have valid ID from their Dept. and proof of their employment as a LEO (DD214 for .mils) Therefore, our MP fella's already get their ticket to ride. As for the infantry/artillery/ordnance/transpo/everyone else....Why should they get a CHL without a class? |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 5:31:58 PM EDT
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This. 2 very good points.
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I don't think I or anyone else should have to ask .gov's permission to exercise an inalienable right. Boy Scouts and what one achieves in the Boy scouts should not have any bearing on the 2A. |
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