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Posted: 8/2/2012 4:51:34 PM

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Looking around lately out of curiosity, I have found that almost every popular handgun has its own Airsoft replica made by one or more reputable Airsoft manufacturers. Many of these high end replicas are identical to the real thing in form and function, such as the replica XDm which caught my eye:




One of those is the real thing.

So does anyone here use a replica firearm as a way to save money on ammo? If so, what drills do you use it for? I know that the best way to train is with the equipment you fight with, but I'm sure there are a few drills that could utilize an Airsoft replica effectively.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 5:11:18 PM
We sometimes use them at our gun club.

On Saturdays we have informal ConTact(concealed tactical) shoots.

On occasion we'll introduce airsoft as a force-on-force training aid. I have a select fire G26.

WARNING! When using airsoft to train, extra care will be given to ensure no real firearms and/or ammo are present.

Our RSO does a good job of keeping the range 'sterile' and we even post a man on the gate to not allow anyone in without being cleared.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 6:53:25 PM
Originally Posted By echo_5:
We sometimes use them at our gun club.

On Saturdays we have informal ConTact(concealed tactical) shoots.

On occasion we'll introduce airsoft as a force-on-force training aid. I have a select fire G26.

WARNING! When using airsoft to train, extra care will be given to ensure no real firearms and/or ammo are present.

Our RSO does a good job of keeping the range 'sterile' and we even post a man on the gate to not allow anyone in without being cleared.


Now, that is a great idea. See how long it would actually take to get your weapon into play in a real-world scenario. I like that idea.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 8:25:18 PM
yes

use it for shooting fundamentals and force on force
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Posted: 8/3/2012 3:34:18 PM
Originally Posted By feelthepayne:
Originally Posted By echo_5:
We sometimes use them at our gun club.

On Saturdays we have informal ConTact(concealed tactical) shoots.

On occasion we'll introduce airsoft as a force-on-force training aid. I have a select fire G26.

WARNING! When using airsoft to train, extra care will be given to ensure no real firearms and/or ammo are present.

Our RSO does a good job of keeping the range 'sterile' and we even post a man on the gate to not allow anyone in without being cleared.


Now, that is a great idea. See how long it would actually take to get your weapon into play in a real-world scenario. I like that idea.


I must emphasize the following:

WARNING! When using airsoft to train, extra care will be given to ensure no real firearms and/or ammo are present
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Posted: 8/3/2012 3:51:45 PM
Ok maybe Im the only one that doesnt know for sure but which one is the real one? I think its the bottom one based on the pins being blued and beveled and the trigger shape. Aside from that I would never have guessed that one was airsoft if it wasnt mentioned.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 4:19:33 PM
Originally Posted By echo_5:
We sometimes use them at our gun club.

On Saturdays we have informal ConTact(concealed tactical) shoots.

On occasion we'll introduce airsoft as a force-on-force training aid. I have a select fire G26.

WARNING! When using airsoft to train, extra care will be given to ensure no real firearms and/or ammo are present.

Our RSO does a good job of keeping the range 'sterile' and we even post a man on the gate to not allow anyone in without being cleared.


I'd seriously consider painting the airsoft guns so they were easily distinguishable from real guns. RSO or not it'd be hard for me to trust that no one would make a mistake and put the wrong gun in their holster! That would be valuable training, though, and I'd love to try it some time.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 9:02:47 PM
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Originally Posted By TheJeanyus:
Originally Posted By echo_5:
We sometimes use them at our gun club.

On Saturdays we have informal ConTact(concealed tactical) shoots.

On occasion we'll introduce airsoft as a force-on-force training aid. I have a select fire G26.

WARNING! When using airsoft to train, extra care will be given to ensure no real firearms and/or ammo are present.

Our RSO does a good job of keeping the range 'sterile' and we even post a man on the gate to not allow anyone in without being cleared.


I'd seriously consider painting the airsoft guns so they were easily distinguishable from real guns. RSO or not it'd be hard for me to trust that no one would make a mistake and put the wrong gun in their holster! That would be valuable training, though, and I'd love to try it some time.


That's a good idea as well. Give it a spray with blue or red paint so there are no mix-ups.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 9:05:48 PM
Originally Posted By AK_Jay:
Ok maybe Im the only one that doesnt know for sure but which one is the real one? I think its the bottom one based on the pins being blued and beveled and the trigger shape. Aside from that I would never have guessed that one was airsoft if it wasnt mentioned.


Actually the top one is the fake! If I didn't know which one it was, I'd never be able to tell unless I held them. I'm sure the weights will be a little different.
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Posted: 8/5/2012 5:11:36 PM
Yes. In addition to blue guns. For teaching FNG types, (once they've managed basic marksmanship)

We start with blue guns to teach them the draw/reholster stroke (it's hard on the airsofts, and we don't like using real pistols for this sort of thing, as an experienced guy is sometimes watching from angles that get uncomfortable with a real weapon).

Once they've got the draw/present down pretty well, we proceed to draw-present-shoot. Airsoft works great for this, as there's no recoil (although the better guns do have recoiling slides) and no lead/gunpowder. You can do it indoors without any special equipment. We use a pellet trap, but a cardboard box filled with crumpled up newspaper would work just as well.

For closeup FoF, we use blue guns, as even airsoft gets kind of dangerous below ten or fifteen feet, particularly with some of these gas guns that'll punch bb's out. upwards of 450fps (I know, seems slow–– until one hits you in the cheek and you have to dig it out)

Airsoft rifles are less useful for teaching actual riflery, though they're good enough for tactical/fire*maneuver training. The low velocities and arcing trajectories do not lend themselves to the use of sights, and the overly close ranges detract from some of the realism.

Good for testing load bearing gear and magazine placement on that gear, though. A good airsoft will have all the controls in the right place and they'll work correctly, so reload drills and such are spot on.
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Posted: 8/5/2012 9:06:19 PM
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Clearly, Travis Haley sees some merit to it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoHA-rhGeG4

...also, someone will have to fix this link, because evidently I'm inept.
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Posted: 8/6/2012 1:18:23 AM
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Originally Posted By viking84:
Clearly, Travis Haley sees some merit to it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoHA-rhGeG4

...also, someone will have to fix this link, because evidently I'm inept.


My first attempt at embedding since I became a team member... Let hope I'm not inept as well




ETA: Only took me 3 tries
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Posted: 8/6/2012 10:53:58 AM
Thanks.

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Posted: 8/6/2012 3:31:58 PM
Funny thing, I asked this same question about 5 or 6 years ago and the only response I got was to sell my "real" guns and stick to the toys....

Times have changed.
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Posted: 8/6/2012 6:13:13 PM
If I could find a good clone of a HK P30 I'd be all over one for drawing and shooting. I could get a lot more "practice" time in.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 1:25:29 AM

Originally Posted By onesureshot:
Funny thing, I asked this same question about 5 or 6 years ago and the only response I got was to sell my "real" guns and stick to the toys....

Times have changed.

You'll still get a lot of that in some of the forums. Lots of elitism and false know wotz being flashed around.

There is also the trend of airsoft weapons getting better and more realistic. Had a friend fondle my new "middy M4" for a couple of minutes without realizing it wasn't "real steel". When he asked me what caliber, I deadpanned "6 milimeter."
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Posted: 8/7/2012 2:37:04 PM
Absolutely
By that point you've done every position you can do without requiring the assistance of some eyebolts and ballistic nylon webbing. There's a point at which enough is enough
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Posted: 8/7/2012 4:43:32 PM
What distributor are yall using for quality kit?
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Posted: 8/7/2012 5:14:39 PM

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What distributor are yall using for quality kit?

If you're talking about kit in the traditional sense, I'm using my regular gear–– just switching out magazines. That's the whole point of the exercise.

If you're talking about weapons and such, Evike is giving me good results. Stay the hell away from Airrattle.

If you're talking about name brands, G&G, Tokyo Marui, Matrix are excellent to decent, depending on price range. Aftermath is crap, and there are all manner of flavors in between.



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Posted: 8/7/2012 5:54:05 PM
I'm a fan of airsoft, it allows you to use realistic weapons and shoot your friends, hehe. Sometimes I'll have friends come over to my house or i'll go to their house and shoot up the place, it's good practice and tons of fun. The only thing is those little BB's do go everywhere!