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Posted: 2/23/2015 12:57:51 PM EDT
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Get the CNC Warrior side folding stock instead.
You will want the left folder, and if you are a normal sized person, get the NATO length... Mick |
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Posted: 2/23/2015 1:10:59 PM EDT
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Get the CNC Warrior side folding stock instead. You will want the left folder, and if you are a normal sized person, get the NATO length... Mick That's what I have on my M85NP, and I find it to be a perfect fit for me. CNC left folder, NATO length. I like it a lot. 
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Posted: 2/23/2015 1:42:45 PM EDT
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So basically...I was on the right track?
 Nothing wrong with the M85NP as linked?
I like the look of the square side folding stock, I don't much care for the tubular CNC one. Like this, but I don't know what they're called or where to get them: 
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Posted: 2/23/2015 3:42:39 PM EDT
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So basically...I was on the right track? Nothing wrong with the M85NP as linked?
I am very happy with my M85NP. Runs great with Pmags, Lancers, and USGI mags. Definitely money well spent in my book. |
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Posted: 2/23/2015 3:50:21 PM EDT
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Where did you get the cans for those and are they real or just for looks?
They would be great for making a clone AKS-74/UN |
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Posted: 2/23/2015 4:07:01 PM EDT
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Where did you get the cans for those and are they real or just for looks? They would be great for making a clone AKS-74/UN Not my pic...I done stole'd it  
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Posted: 2/23/2015 5:22:04 PM EDT
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Where did you get the cans for those and are they real or just for looks? They would be great for making a clone AKS-74/UN Not my pic...I done stole'd it Dang it! Those cans are almost dead ringers for the Soviet suppressors. |
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Posted: 2/23/2015 7:44:05 PM EDT
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So basically...I was on the right track? Nothing wrong with the M85NP as linked?
I like the look of the square side folding stock, I don't much care for the tubular CNC one. Like this, but I don't know what they're called or where to get them: http://i.imgur.com/Z5Vb1.jpg?1 Those have an internal folding mechanism (authentic) installed. It's a bit harder to do (I am hesitant to do it because I'm not mechanically inclined). I like the manticore arms triangle folders. |
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Posted: 2/23/2015 9:33:00 PM EDT
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Those have an internal folding mechanism (authentic) installed. It's a bit harder to do (I am hesitant to do it because I'm not mechanically inclined). I like the manticore arms triangle folders. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So basically...I was on the right track? Nothing wrong with the M85NP as linked?
I like the look of the square side folding stock, I don't much care for the tubular CNC one. Like this, but I don't know what they're called or where to get them: http://i.imgur.com/Z5Vb1.jpg?1 Those have an internal folding mechanism (authentic) installed. It's a bit harder to do (I am hesitant to do it because I'm not mechanically inclined). I like the manticore arms triangle folders. I see the mantiore triangle here: http://www.manticorearms.com/Triangle-Stock-MA-5100.htm Doesn't seem to come with a folding piece, though? |
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Posted: 2/23/2015 10:15:20 PM EDT
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I drilled and tapped the rear trunnion for an ACE side folder and Manticore triangle stock.
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Posted: 2/25/2015 11:40:13 PM EDT
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Manticore triangle stock - ordered
Stormwerks folding adapter - ordered Black AK 'original' grip - ordered PAP M85 pistol - ???? Any idea who has the best price right now? |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 8:32:56 AM EDT
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That's what I have on my M85NP, and I find it to be a perfect fit for me. CNC left folder, NATO length. I like it a lot. http://s20.postimg.org/5k8vheayl/M85_018.jpg http://s20.postimg.org/8gvwhogsd/M85_021.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get the CNC Warrior side folding stock instead. You will want the left folder, and if you are a normal sized person, get the NATO length... Mick That's what I have on my M85NP, and I find it to be a perfect fit for me. CNC left folder, NATO length. I like it a lot. http://s20.postimg.org/5k8vheayl/M85_018.jpg http://s20.postimg.org/8gvwhogsd/M85_021.jpg Like more info on the cheek riser tor the CNC stock. |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 2:29:06 PM EDT
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Ok dudes-
I've been scouring the net for info and it seems there's not much out there documented when it comes to custom AK work. Apparently the M26x1.5LH outer ring around the barrel of M92/M85 PAP's is not concentric in any way shape or form. The solution is to get rid of the M26 covering/housing around the barrel tip all together and then thread the barrel itself up to the front sight post with 1/2-28 threads to make it concentric for suppressor use. Has anyone heard about this? I have pics here: Before- 
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ADCO said they are unwilling to do the work due to the process and time it takes...but there is a company called Two Rivers Arms that can do it- but they have a 9 month backlog of work before they can get to it.... 
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Posted: 2/26/2015 4:05:27 PM EDT
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Your AFTER picture is not from a PAP. Looks like a standard AK front sight housing on a regular AK barrel.
As for concentricity, CNC Warrior seems to have zero problems mounting and aligning their faux suppressor on the rifle versions they build. Maybe have a chat with them about concentricity? Mick |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 4:24:38 PM EDT
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If love to supress mine but am not willing to go through the effort to do it correctly. I know a guy who put an adapter on then a spec war brake. He had a baffle strike on his first round.
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Posted: 2/26/2015 5:06:08 PM EDT
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If love to supress mine but am not willing to go through the effort to do it correctly. I know a guy who put an adapter on then a spec war brake. He had a baffle strike on his first round. That's why I want to do it right and not stack adapters on top of each other....I also don't want to use an adapter on top of the M26x1.5LH threaded cover over the barrel either because there is no guarantee it's in spec compared to the barrel's bore. |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 5:07:19 PM EDT
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Your AFTER picture is not from a PAP. Looks like a standard AK front sight housing on a regular AK barrel. As for concentricity, CNC Warrior seems to have zero problems mounting and aligning their faux suppressor on the rifle versions they build. Maybe have a chat with them about concentricity? Mick I know it's not the same barrel- it's just showing an example of what can be done if the M26 housing is removed. |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 11:15:28 PM EDT
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I got mine threaded 1/2-28 and added an adapter and run a 7.62 specwar. It works great.
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Posted: 2/27/2015 3:26:51 AM EDT
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I got mine threaded 1/2-28 and added an adapter and run a 7.62 specwar. It works great. Where, who, and how much was the threading? |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 10:50:11 AM EDT
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I got mine threaded 1/2-28 and added an adapter and run a 7.62 specwar. It works great. Where, who, and how much was the threading? This...where who and how much!? Also did you completely machine off the M26 threaded covering around the barrel? are you using a crush washer on the barrel now or a pin in the front sight piston? |
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Posted: 2/28/2015 12:47:26 PM EDT
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I have an adapter on my M92 Pap and run a Huntertown Arms suppressor with no issues. Use a wooden rod to check before you shoot. If it's a no go, spend the extra cash. YMMV.
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Posted: 2/28/2015 5:24:01 PM EDT
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I have an adapter on my M92 Pap and run a Huntertown Arms suppressor with no issues. Use a wooden rod to check before you shoot. If it's a no go, spend the extra cash. YMMV. Which adapter? |
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Posted: 2/28/2015 11:57:45 PM EDT
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I have an adapter on my M92 Pap and run a Huntertown Arms suppressor with no issues. Use a wooden rod to check before you shoot. If it's a no go, spend the extra cash. YMMV. Which adapter? US Machinegun |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:29:59 PM EDT
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I have an adapter on my M92 Pap and run a Huntertown Arms suppressor with no issues. Use a wooden rod to check before you shoot. If it's a no go, spend the extra cash. YMMV. Which adapter? US Machinegun I'm not a fan of stacking adapters, but I found a company that was knowledgeable and willing to do the work to remove the M26 shroud around the barrel. We'll see which way I end up going. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 12:02:02 AM EDT
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I saw Integral Arms threaded an M92 to 1/2x28 for use with a suppressor.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 12:42:29 PM EDT
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I saw Integral Arms threaded an M92 to 1/2x28 for use with a suppressor. So like....got anymore info? Photos? Links? |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 1:05:24 PM EDT
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I saw Integral Arms threaded an M92 to 1/2x28 for use with a suppressor. So like....got anymore info? Photos? Links? They have a post on Facebook, it's about 5 or 6 posts down. Never had them do anything personally, just happened to see it. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 1:54:01 PM EDT
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They have a post on Facebook, it's about 5 or 6 posts down. Never had them do anything personally, just happened to see it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I saw Integral Arms threaded an M92 to 1/2x28 for use with a suppressor. So like....got anymore info? Photos? Links? They have a post on Facebook, it's about 5 or 6 posts down. Never had them do anything personally, just happened to see it. Nice! Just saw it. And WOW. The guy at integral arms is amazing. Great to speak with and is making the mods to this rifle smooth as butter. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 5:34:46 PM EDT
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Well I don't know how I get suckered into this shit, but it happened.
Parts ordered: PAP M85 - being delivered straight to Integral Arms for barrel work. Removal of M26 threaded shroud and threading of the barrel 1/2-28 concentric to the bore Manticore triangle stock - delivered Stormwerkz hinge - delivered WildBill 5 degree wedge - in transit Custom Ops Inc/Allen Engineering reflex adapter for 1/2-28 to 1/2-28 - being produced by the man himself @ Allen Engineering Ops Inc/AE brake - will order from ADCO soon ....and $870 later I hate this hobby 
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Posted: 3/4/2015 8:50:01 AM EDT
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Apparently the M26x1.5LH outer ring around the barrel of M92/M85 PAP's is not concentric in any way shape or form I disagree. 
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Sn6LgPlB0[/youtube] |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 9:05:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Apparently the M26x1.5LH outer ring around the barrel of M92/M85 PAP's is not concentric in any way shape or form I disagree.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Sn6LgPlB030 cal can on a 5.56? If that is the case it doesn't mean it is concentric. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 10:31:12 AM EDT
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30 cal can on a 5.56? If that is the case it doesn't mean it is concentric. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Apparently the M26x1.5LH outer ring around the barrel of M92/M85 PAP's is not concentric in any way shape or form I disagree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Sn6LgPlB030 cal can on a 5.56? If that is the case it doesn't mean it is concentric. The video says M4-2000, which is a 5.56 suppressor. That's awesome and great to hear! Either way- I would rather be safe than sorry. It looks like you're using the M26 to 1/2-28 adapter Plus the QD brake. There is no guarantee the outer threads are concentric and there have been many reports of baffle strikes (two in this thread alone). I like my NFA investments, so I'm going to spend the cash to do it right the first time. YMMV! |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 12:09:06 PM EDT
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30 cal can on a 5.56? If that is the case it doesn't mean it is concentric. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Apparently the M26x1.5LH outer ring around the barrel of M92/M85 PAP's is not concentric in any way shape or form I disagree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Sn6LgPlB030 cal can on a 5.56? If that is the case it doesn't mean it is concentric. Nope, its an M4-2000 |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 1:12:11 PM EDT
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It's definitely possible to have it work but I am absolutely not going to chance it. I also don't care for the amount of play from the muzzle detent. I saw the results of a baffle strike last week and that was enough for me.
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Posted: 3/4/2015 2:20:11 PM EDT
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That's what I have on my M85NP, and I find it to be a perfect fit for me. CNC left folder, NATO length. I like it a lot. http://s20.postimg.org/5k8vheayl/M85_018.jpg http://s20.postimg.org/8gvwhogsd/M85_021.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get the CNC Warrior side folding stock instead. You will want the left folder, and if you are a normal sized person, get the NATO length... Mick That's what I have on my M85NP, and I find it to be a perfect fit for me. CNC left folder, NATO length. I like it a lot. http://s20.postimg.org/5k8vheayl/M85_018.jpg http://s20.postimg.org/8gvwhogsd/M85_021.jpg You have a Polish underfolder too right? I remember the background, lol. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 5:41:45 PM EDT
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For anyone wondering, here's what Integral had posted on their FB page that lead me to have them do the same work on my M85:
It's an M92 with the M26 shroud removed and threads turned to .308 FH specs...mine will be the same but with 1/2-28 threads. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 6:04:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For anyone wondering, here's what Integral had posted on their FB page that lead me to have them do the same work on my M85: https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/1488664_591019971000116_1479190020616678637_n.jpg?oh=21850917fb4af8fb686561ec7f2d2b5d&oe=55897788 It's an M92 with the M26 shroud removed and threads turned to .308 FH specs...mine will be the same but with 1/2-28 threads. Curious to the cost in this. Shoot me an Im if you are comfortable posting. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 9:46:23 PM EDT
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Curious to the cost in this. Shoot me an Im if you are comfortable posting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For anyone wondering, here's what Integral had posted on their FB page that lead me to have them do the same work on my M85: https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/1488664_591019971000116_1479190020616678637_n.jpg?oh=21850917fb4af8fb686561ec7f2d2b5d&oe=55897788 It's an M92 with the M26 shroud removed and threads turned to .308 FH specs...mine will be the same but with 1/2-28 threads. Curious to the cost in this. Shoot me an Im if you are comfortable posting. $200 and about 2 weeks time. They don't need to remove the barrel from the receiver or anything, either- which I liked. |
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Posted: 3/4/2015 11:18:44 PM EDT
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That seems quite reasonable
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Posted: 3/4/2015 11:50:45 PM EDT
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That seems quite reasonable Very much so. That quote was about par for the course from much more well known AK outfits that had timelines in the 9 month range. Plus they were willing to take delivery of the brand new M85 straight from the retailer and then ship it to my FFL, essentially saving me time, shipping, and money. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:29:09 PM EDT
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Well I got some bad news today...
Got this photo from Integral Arms after they got the M85... 
The M85 has virtually NO barrel forward of the front sight post where the M26 covering is threaded on...not enough to be concentrically threaded. Has anyone seen this before? Is this a defect? |
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Posted: 3/12/2015 12:04:35 AM EDT
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Just went to look at mine, same here. I guess while they have it, they may as well check to see if the stock threads are concentric to the bore.
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Posted: 3/12/2015 9:47:35 AM EDT
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Just went to look at mine, same here. I guess while they have it, they may as well check to see if the stock threads are concentric to the bore. That's what I recommended while they had it in their hands...looks like there's no way to thread the barrel so IF the M26 threads are concentric I can 'get lucky' with a M26->1/2-28 adapter plus my can mount... |
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Posted: 3/15/2015 4:17:15 PM EDT
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What overall length are you guys using for the SBR form?
I just picked up an M92 today and plan on putting the Russian style triangle stock with Krink type muzzle brake. |
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Posted: 3/15/2015 8:27:32 PM EDT
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What overall length are you guys using for the SBR form? I just picked up an M92 today and plan on putting the Russian style triangle stock with Krink type muzzle brake. Dont count the brake unless it is permanently attached. I used 30" for my 92 and am using the Manticore triangle stock. Cant remember where I looked up that length though. |
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Posted: 3/15/2015 11:20:03 PM EDT
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Thanks.
Also looks like I'll be using the Manticore stock and Stormwerkz hinge as well. The newer M92 serial numbers have been moved and it now sits right where the forward stock latch would be with the original style stock. =( |
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Posted: 3/16/2015 8:11:35 AM EDT
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Thanks. Also looks like I'll be using the Manticore stock and Stormwerkz hinge as well. The newer M92 serial numbers have been moved and it now sits right where the forward stock latch would be with the original style stock. =( I thought the newer ones were not in the way of a under folder??? |
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Posted: 3/16/2015 8:58:36 AM EDT
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Thanks. Also looks like I'll be using the Manticore stock and Stormwerkz hinge as well. The newer M92 serial numbers have been moved and it now sits right where the forward stock latch would be with the original style stock. =( I thought the newer ones were not in the way of a under folder??? Fine for the original equipment underfolder but not a Russian side fold stock with latch. When I said original style stock I was referring to the original Russian design, not the Yugo underfolder. I wanted to build a side folder as I already have an Romanian AKM underfolder. |
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Posted: 3/16/2015 7:11:42 PM EDT
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Roger. You might try and find a older gun. I think the whole reason they moved the serial numbers was so people could run the underfolder
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Posted: 3/16/2015 7:26:16 PM EDT
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 I got lucky. Using the cnc warrior adapter mine has been good for about 200 rounds, rocksetted the adapter. http://www.cncwarrior.com/product-p/26712.htm |
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