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Posted: 9/17/2014 11:21:29 PM EDT
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So I have a Yugo M92 built on a NDS receiver with a fake suppressor to bring to the legal length, I also have a PAP92 pistol. So my question is what would you do, pony up the monies to do the M92 into a SBR and sell the PAP or get one of them arm braces for the PAP92. I would be filing the SBR paperwork as an individual so I could be denied by the CLEO or the BATFE. What do you all think would be the better avenue to take? Form a trust. That being said I have 4 Sig brace equipped pistols and no SBRs currently. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:09:43 AM EDT
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I'd avoid the registry, bribe money, waiting period, and draconian rule set rather than not, personally.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:27:53 AM EDT
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Depends, do you really want a fixed stock? Or do you want something that does the exact same thing without the NFA process?
The former you should SBR, the latter Arm Brace it up |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:35:23 AM EDT
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SIG Brace .... fuck paperwork!
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:02:51 PM EDT
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CCW + SIG brace = more freedom than SBR & NFA crap.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 8:05:12 PM EDT
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Folding pistol buffer tube with sig brace and AFG is looking good to me. If you don't mind drilling and tapping holes in your reciever.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 8:12:27 PM EDT
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I say sig brace too. I have 2 SBRs and now have 4 pistols with braces. I won't do another SBR ever. Neither does anything that the other cannot....except I can bring the the pistols to my buddies place to shoot in the neighboring state without filing more paperwork.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 8:28:26 PM EDT
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So I have a Yugo M92 built on a NDS receiver with a fake suppressor to bring to the legal length, I also have a PAP92 pistol. So my question is what would you do, pony up the monies to do the M92 into a SBR and sell the PAP or get one of them arm braces for the PAP92. I would be filing the SBR paperwork as an individual so I could be denied by the CLEO or the BATFE. What do you all think would be the better avenue to take? Am I the only one who noticed this text in red? Is this not a giant red fucking flag for anyone else? Why would they deny you? Do you have a criminal background or other incident in your past that makes you a prohibited person? Because that would be the only reason either could deny you if NFA is legal in your state. If they're denying you, you have bigger issues and should probably stop posting about your firearm collection on a public website where your IP is logged. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 9:15:59 PM EDT
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Only recently took interest in a pistol build. I weighed the brace and even though it isn't "sexy" it offers certain freedoms a tax stamp doesn't. I based my decision on that
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Posted: 9/18/2014 11:03:06 PM EDT
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Am I the only one who noticed this text in red? Is this not a giant red fucking flag for anyone else? Why would they deny you? Do you have a criminal background or other incident in your past that makes you a prohibited person? Because that would be the only reason either could deny you if NFA is legal in your state. If they're denying you, you have bigger issues and should probably stop posting about your firearm collection on a public website where your IP is logged. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I have a Yugo M92 built on a NDS receiver with a fake suppressor to bring to the legal length, I also have a PAP92 pistol. So my question is what would you do, pony up the monies to do the M92 into a SBR and sell the PAP or get one of them arm braces for the PAP92. I would be filing the SBR paperwork as an individual so I could be denied by the CLEO or the BATFE. What do you all think would be the better avenue to take? Am I the only one who noticed this text in red? Is this not a giant red fucking flag for anyone else? Why would they deny you? Do you have a criminal background or other incident in your past that makes you a prohibited person? Because that would be the only reason either could deny you if NFA is legal in your state. If they're denying you, you have bigger issues and should probably stop posting about your firearm collection on a public website where your IP is logged. Why is it a red flag?  My record is clear and I have no problems buying guns. When it comes to the government anything is possible, what if the sheriff in my county doesn't like my attire and decides I don't need an SBR? There are CLEO's out there that will not sign off on the form. The CLEO in my county is up for re-election so I probably have that in my favor. I am not trying to skirt any laws or partake in any felonious activities. Nice of you to be concerned about my well being though.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 11:11:54 PM EDT
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Here is my take...if you can live with the looks of the brace and its somewhat clunky misuse of it then rock the sigtac like many have (including myself). If your going for authenticity and the beauty of original design and equipment (say for an example a triangle folder on your krink) then go the trust route and SBR that puppy. Another thing to keep the in mind is there are other benefits to the pistol brace such as concealed carry and interstate travel. Good luck with your adventure:)
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Posted: 9/18/2014 11:14:21 PM EDT
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Why is it a red flag? My record is clear and I have no problems buying guns. When it comes to the government anything is possible, what if the sheriff in my county doesn't like my attire and decides I don't need an SBR? There are CLEO's out there that will not sign off on the form. The CLEO in my county is up for re-election so I probably have that in my favor. I am not trying to skirt any laws or partake in any felonious activities. Nice of you to be concerned about my well being though.
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So I have a Yugo M92 built on a NDS receiver with a fake suppressor to bring to the legal length, I also have a PAP92 pistol. So my question is what would you do, pony up the monies to do the M92 into a SBR and sell the PAP or get one of them arm braces for the PAP92. I would be filing the SBR paperwork as an individual so I could be denied by the CLEO or the BATFE. What do you all think would be the better avenue to take? Am I the only one who noticed this text in red? Is this not a giant red fucking flag for anyone else? Why would they deny you? Do you have a criminal background or other incident in your past that makes you a prohibited person? Because that would be the only reason either could deny you if NFA is legal in your state. If they're denying you, you have bigger issues and should probably stop posting about your firearm collection on a public website where your IP is logged. Why is it a red flag? My record is clear and I have no problems buying guns. When it comes to the government anything is possible, what if the sheriff in my county doesn't like my attire and decides I don't need an SBR? There are CLEO's out there that will not sign off on the form. The CLEO in my county is up for re-election so I probably have that in my favor. I am not trying to skirt any laws or partake in any felonious activities. Nice of you to be concerned about my well being though.
The law states they can only deny if there is something that causes you to be a prohibited person (and if sheriff says no, you either go to your city's chief of police or make a trust and tell em to pound sand). Therefore if you're concerned you'll be denied, that's a red flag that you feel you may be discovered to be a prohibited person. That you don't understand any of this makes me lean toward saying just go with the arm brace and leave the nfa stuff to those who know the laws regarding it. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 11:17:16 PM EDT
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if its the only time you would bother to NFA paperwork, no interest in cans or anything else, get the brace...
if its something you may not keep or fall in love with, get the brace... If you live near the edge of a state border and travel back and forth, get the brace... |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 11:20:32 PM EDT
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The frequent travel one typically is a non-issue; it's good for a year and as feds only have a say in interstate transport, you aren't bound to keep it at the address on the f20 100% of the time. Only time it would be denied is if you wanted to take NFA to, say, Iowa and weren't an SOT.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 11:23:13 PM EDT
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SBR
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Posted: 9/18/2014 11:25:31 PM EDT
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I had same decision to make with my PAP. I went with the brace for reasons others have posted.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 11:36:12 PM EDT
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The law states they can only deny if there is something that causes you to be a prohibited person (and if sheriff says no, you either go to your city's chief of police or make a trust and tell em to pound sand). Therefore if you're concerned you'll be denied, that's a red flag that you feel you may be discovered to be a prohibited person. That you don't understand any of this makes me lean toward saying just go with the arm brace and leave the nfa stuff to those who know the laws regarding it. The law in WA just recently changed after 20 years banning SBRs so being refused by a CLEO isn't out of the question. Chief of Police only works if you livein city limits, who the fuck lives in town?
Trust is the best optiion and I suggested it further up, however you're making assumptions based on a newbies concern his application to make a firearm may be rejected. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 8:51:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat you don't understand any of this makes me lean toward saying just go with the arm brace and leave the nfa stuff to those who know the laws regarding it. I understand all of it with the exception of why you are being somewhat contemptible about a simple question. I didn't ask for you to imply that I had a rap sheet a mile long and that I was unfamiliar with NFA rules and regulations. Jumping to conclusions wasn't what I requested. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 9:12:31 AM EDT
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Stay a free man. Don't waste money on the BATF we already pay taxes why should we pay them a bribe for our right and be treated like criminals cause of it.
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Posted: 9/19/2014 9:46:46 AM EDT
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I understand all of it with the exception of why you are being somewhat contemptible about a simple question. I didn't ask for you to imply that I had a rap sheet a mile long and that I was unfamiliar with NFA rules and regulations. Jumping to conclusions wasn't what I requested. Quote HistoryQuoted:
That you don't understand any of this makes me lean toward saying just go with the arm brace and leave the nfa stuff to those who know the laws regarding it. I understand all of it with the exception of why you are being somewhat contemptible about a simple question. I didn't ask for you to imply that I had a rap sheet a mile long and that I was unfamiliar with NFA rules and regulations. Jumping to conclusions wasn't what I requested. No jumping needed. Your posts made it patently obvious you haven't really researched NFA. As that's the case, just stick with the pistol brace and once ATF rescinds their decision(s) regarding it, come join us in the NFA forum. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:31:52 PM EDT
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I say sig brace too. I have 2 SBRs and now have 4 pistols with braces. I won't do another SBR ever. Neither does anything that the other cannot....except I can bring the the pistols to my buddies place to shoot in the neighboring state without filing more paperwork. My thoughts exactly. I have an SBR and a Pistol Braced/folder M92 PAP. The SBR doesnt do anything that the Pistol Braced cant except stock adjustability. That isnt worth the pain in the ass involved for the piviledge of paying $200 to invite the ATF into your life. |
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