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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:29:25 AM EDT
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I'm just now reading through the info about these arm braces. I get they're legal to add to an AK pistol but, can I use buffertube setup like they use on the AR versions? Basically, can I use an AR adapter w/ a buffer tube and SIG brace? I don't think so because you have no reason to add the buffer tube which obviously AR-15 pistols require to function. There is this: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/09/09/century-arms-stabilizing-brace-ak-pistols/ The stock supports PAP M92 PV, PAP M85 PV, Draco and C39 pistols. 
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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:34:59 AM EDT
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The Sig 556 doesn't require a buffer tube yet Sig sells the pistol with the brace on.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:18:44 AM EDT
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People are doing what the OP suggests, but its a fine line.
How about an AK pistol, plus folding hinge, plus AR adaptor, buffer tube and Sig brace? 
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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:56:54 AM EDT
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People are doing what the OP suggests, but its a fine line. How about an AK pistol, plus folding hinge, plus AR adaptor, buffer tube and Sig brace? I am starting to think these braces are going to get banned eventually. I don't want it to happen but wouldn't be surprised if it did. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 1:12:09 PM EDT
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People are doing what the OP suggests, but its a fine line. How about an AK pistol, plus folding hinge, plus AR adaptor, buffer tube and Sig brace? I disagree. It is not a fine line. The arm brace is an arm brace regardless of if it is foldable or not. Making it so does not magically transform it into a stock. As was already stated, Sig sells a factory made pistol with buffer tube and arm brace that does not require a buffer tube for functionality. The arm brace however DOES require a tube. I understand people are nervous but come on people. How about a pistol with no brace and a carbine buffer on a LAW folder? Perfectly legal as adding a folder does not transform something. 
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Posted: 4/9/2014 1:47:51 PM EDT
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People are doing what the OP suggests, but its a fine line. How about an AK pistol, plus folding hinge, plus AR adaptor, buffer tube and Sig brace? You're overcomplicating it. SB47 brace plus usmachinegun.com folding adapter and you're gtg. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 1:48:22 PM EDT
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I disagree. It is not a fine line. The arm brace is an arm brace regardless of if it is foldable or not. Making it so does not magically transform it into a stock. As was already stated, Sig sells a factory made pistol with buffer tube and arm brace that does not require a buffer tube for functionality. The arm brace however DOES require a tube. I understand people are nervous but come on people. How about a pistol with no brace and a carbine buffer on a LAW folder? Perfectly legal as adding a folder does not transform something. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People are doing what the OP suggests, but its a fine line. How about an AK pistol, plus folding hinge, plus AR adaptor, buffer tube and Sig brace? I disagree. It is not a fine line. The arm brace is an arm brace regardless of if it is foldable or not. Making it so does not magically transform it into a stock. As was already stated, Sig sells a factory made pistol with buffer tube and arm brace that does not require a buffer tube for functionality. The arm brace however DOES require a tube. I understand people are nervous but come on people. How about a pistol with no brace and a carbine buffer on a LAW folder? Perfectly legal as adding a folder does not transform something. This. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 3:00:48 PM EDT
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I am starting to think these braces are going to get banned eventually. I don't want it to happen but wouldn't be surprised if it did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People are doing what the OP suggests, but its a fine line. How about an AK pistol, plus folding hinge, plus AR adaptor, buffer tube and Sig brace? I am starting to think these braces are going to get banned eventually. I don't want it to happen but wouldn't be surprised if it did. Be an ultimate fuck you to Sig by BATFE |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:51:33 PM EDT
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I'd consider one if I can use an AR buffer tube adapter with a kak tube and SB15. I really hate the way the SB47 mounts, but like others I am a little worried about the legality of the entire setup.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:36:31 PM EDT
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Yeah, this is what I'm talking about. I also hate the way the SB47 mounts up. Adding a buffertube would add length. That's is why I'd rather have this setup on an AK.
True, a buffertube is required for an AR and not an AK but, if it's legal to use on an AR then why wouldn't the exact same setup be legal on the AK? |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 11:54:29 AM EDT
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Yeah, this is what I'm talking about. I also hate the way the SB47 mounts up. Adding a buffertube would add length. That's is why I'd rather have this setup on an AK. http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/P516-7IN-SB15-Detail-Hero.jpg True, a buffertube is required for an AR and not an AK but, if it's legal to use on an AR then why wouldn't the exact same setup be legal on the AK? You answered your own question. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 1:15:06 PM EDT
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I hope the atf agrees with the answer.
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Posted: 4/10/2014 2:56:29 PM EDT
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If it wasn't ok Sig wouldn't sell this pistol.
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Posted: 4/12/2014 9:00:56 AM EDT
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I wonder if they could get you for "intent" if you drill/tap the receiver for a buffer tube adapter. Of course the AR pistol tube shouldn't be a grey area, but the mount could be.
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Posted: 4/12/2014 9:31:36 AM EDT
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A buffertube is not a stock its a receiver extension so other than adding a legal receiver extension to add a arm brace what intent do you have ?
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Posted: 4/12/2014 10:03:22 AM EDT
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They did say using a product incorrectly doesn’t make it an SBR. Sow I would think using a incorrect buffer tube would be ok. I can see these becoming extinct.
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Posted: 4/12/2014 6:28:02 PM EDT
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I am more worried about getting busted for "intent" if I drill/tap my trunion for an AR buffer tube adapter, and then install a KAK tube/sb15.
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Posted: 4/12/2014 6:41:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/12/2014 6:44:34 PM EDT
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The AK brace uses a buffer tube type round tube thingy
 to mount teh brace.
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Posted: 4/13/2014 4:31:14 AM EDT
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All of you worried about "intent" have been misled in my opinion. I k ow plenty out there like to throw around the term "constructive intent" which is a improper substitution for the actual term of "constructive POSSESSION".
The litmus test for this is, do you have a legal use for the items in your possession or can they only be used to construct something illegal. IF you had a carbine buffer tube attached for the purpose of installing a sb15 and ALSO owned a stock body that could be installed on the tube BUT DID NOT OWN another firearm in rifle configuration that COULD accept the stock body; THEN you would be in a bad spot. IF however in the above scenario you owned for example a ar15 rifle that COULD accept the stock body, you are good. I carry a gun every day. If I also have a ski mask in my trunk and go to a bank do I have intent? NO |
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Posted: 4/13/2014 4:50:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/13/2014 6:51:26 PM EDT
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Sigh
I was responding to the person who was talking about tapping their trunnion. I know what a buffertube is, obviously. |
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Posted: 4/13/2014 8:45:09 PM EDT
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All of you worried about "intent" have been misled in my opinion. I k ow plenty out there like to throw around the term "constructive intent" which is a improper substitution for the actual term of "constructive POSSESSION". The litmus test for this is, do you have a legal use for the items in your possession or can they only be used to construct something illegal. IF you had a carbine buffer tube attached for the purpose of installing a sb15 and ALSO owned a stock body that could be installed on the tube BUT DID NOT OWN another firearm in rifle configuration that COULD accept the stock body; THEN you would be in a bad spot. IF however in the above scenario you owned for example a ar15 rifle that COULD accept the stock body, you are good. I carry a gun every day. If I also have a ski mask in my trunk and go to a bank do I have intent? NO Exactly right. I've already ordered the parts for this setup. I own an AR, as well. Remember though, we're talking about pistol buffer tubes. You can't add a stock to any of them, as far as I know. And in this specific situation, the KAK SB15 specific pistol buffertube is being used. I see no faults here at the time. |
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Posted: 4/13/2014 9:28:38 PM EDT
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So what happens when we put one of these arm braces on a Glock, besides fun?
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:43:49 AM EDT
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Well if you read the letter posted the atf dont give a flying fuck what you do with the parts :) They are not a stock so in no way count as a stock because they are not a stock.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 2:08:56 AM EDT
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Exactly right. I've already ordered the parts for this setup. I own an AR, as well. Remember though, we're talking about pistol buffer tubes. You can't add a stock to any of them, as far as I know. And in this specific situation, the KAK SB15 specific pistol buffertube is being used. I see no faults here at the time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All of you worried about "intent" have been misled in my opinion. I k ow plenty out there like to throw around the term "constructive intent" which is a improper substitution for the actual term of "constructive POSSESSION". The litmus test for this is, do you have a legal use for the items in your possession or can they only be used to construct something illegal. IF you had a carbine buffer tube attached for the purpose of installing a sb15 and ALSO owned a stock body that could be installed on the tube BUT DID NOT OWN another firearm in rifle configuration that COULD accept the stock body; THEN you would be in a bad spot. IF however in the above scenario you owned for example a ar15 rifle that COULD accept the stock body, you are good. I carry a gun every day. If I also have a ski mask in my trunk and go to a bank do I have intent? NO Exactly right. I've already ordered the parts for this setup. I own an AR, as well. Remember though, we're talking about pistol buffer tubes. You can't add a stock to any of them, as far as I know. And in this specific situation, the KAK SB15 specific pistol buffertube is being used. I see no faults here at the time. That is the exact setup I was going to try. Or I may scrap the pap and build an AR pistol. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 7:19:43 AM EDT
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If it wasn't ok Sig wouldn't sell this pistol. http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/P556-SWAT-SB15-Detail-Hero.jpg |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 7:34:12 AM EDT
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Well if you read the letter posted the atf dont give a flying fuck what you do with the parts :) They are not a stock so in no way count as a stock because they are not a stock. Well, not only are they not a stock, they are not "in stock" either. Good luck finding one. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 7:57:18 AM EDT
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I just got a tan one on ebay for 112 shipped and there are still a bunch avalable at the 120ish range.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 11:21:19 AM EDT
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Found a Sig brace on Amazon for $120. The Century SB47 is the version that's out of stock.
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