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"IN THE MEANTIME, ENJOY FREE USPS PRIORITY SHIPPING FROM NOW UNTIL THE END OF AUGUST ON EVERYTHING IN STOCK ON THE WEBSITE!" Could you do us a huge favor Sven? Since it is impossible for us to add the top cover to cart and place an order to take advantage of your free shipping. Would you be so kind as to either add a promo code for free shipping with the top cover or extend site wide free shipping an extra week? +1 Don't worry, the Optics Mount Top Covers will be up before the free shipping is over. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Hmm... what the price for the top cover with the handguard with free shipping?
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[#4]
$55 Handguard.
$70 Top Cover. Free shipping. $125 Total. Good Stuff! Also Thanks Sven for the free shipping. |
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Just got out to the range earlier this morning to shake down the Renegade Top Cover with the Burris Fast Fire 3 mount.
Wow! Getting it on and mounted was easy for me. Required just a little bit of force to fit in place, but nothing hard. No tools required to get into place, just hands. With the FF3, I've got absolute co-witness with the iron sights. It points quickly and naturally with the gun, and keeps weight down. It did get warm, but nothing crazy after 100 rounds in fairly quick succession. Using the SB47 brace, the pistol is accurate down to minute of Iphone 4. The wife's old Iphone 4 went swimming and was a useless brick....... Lets just say that 7.62x39 doesn't make it work any better, but it does make the phone more useful. Pictures to follow later on tonight... Bottom line, this is a great piece of gear and worth the money. I truly believe that Sven could charge double for these and still sell a crap load of these. With the low price of the M92/M85 pistols, the ATF rulings about the Sig Pistol Brace, and Manticore Arms' stellar work.......this is a fun, reliable, and now accurate and easy to shoot platform. If you like the AK platform, there is absolutely no reason not to buy one and then run over to Manticore and start upgrading the gun. Sven, you and your guys have done good work! |
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Just got out to the range earlier this morning to shake down the Renegade Top Cover with the Burris Fast Fire 3 mount. Wow! Getting it on and mounted was easy for me. Required just a little bit of force to fit in place, but nothing hard. No tools required to get into place, just hands. With the FF3, I've got absolute co-witness with the iron sights. It points quickly and naturally with the gun, and keeps weight down. It did get warm, but nothing crazy after 100 rounds in fairly quick succession. Using the SB47 brace, the pistol is accurate down to minute of Iphone 4. The wife's old Iphone 4 went swimming and was a useless brick....... Lets just say that 7.62x39 doesn't make it work any better, but it does make the phone more useful. Pictures to follow later on tonight... Bottom line, this is a great piece of gear and worth the money. I truly believe that Sven could charge double for these and still sell a crap load of these. With the low price of the M92/M85 pistols, the ATF rulings about the Sig Pistol Brace, and Manticore Arms' stellar work.......this is a fun, reliable, and now accurate and easy to shoot platform. If you like the AK platform, there is absolutely no reason not to buy one and then run over to Manticore and start upgrading the gun. Sven, you and your guys have done good work! View Quote Thanks for the feedback! All of the beta tester feedback has come back very positive, and we should have them listed up for sale in the website by Monday :) Sven Manticore Arms Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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When you say no tools required how is it attached?? I assume it can't rotate or move at all right?
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Sorry,
It does come with an allen wrench/hex key to screw the top plate to the ring that goes under the gas tube. It does move or rotate at all. Very snug. However, it does not require any additional tools. In the instructions Sven advises that rubber mallet or something similarly padded may be needed to get it into place. This was not necessary in my case. I was able to fit it into position just by using hand strength. |
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Can anyone briefly compare and contrast the advantages of the Midwest Industries vs the Manticore handguard? I have never purchased from either company. I am leaning toward Manticore, but I have no real basis which to work from.
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[#12]
Renegade polymer lower AND Optics Mount Top Covers are now available for purchase on the Manticore web store!
http://www.manticorearms.com/Renegade-Forearm-for-Yugo-Krinkov-AK-MA-8100.htm Also, Mr. Guns and Gear got his review up, and it does a great job of showing how the Optics Mount Top Covers are installed and work(just as good as any video or instructions I could put together): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s7yzjVeS1U Sven Manticore Arms |
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I have both and did not care for the MI. If you want an all metal handgard covered with pic rails, that clamps to the barrel, then MI will do. If you want something that looks and feels more like a factory original handguard (more traditional AK style) then the Renegade is the best choice. The Renegade also lets you choose whether or not to mount pic rails (side or bottom), has co-witnessed top optics mounts for common red dot scopes and is easy to install. Finally, it just feels better in your hand than the MI when installed and is lighter.
FYI, Installing the Aimpoint / Primary Arms optics mount was super easy and it feels rock solid. |
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After finally seeing a video of how the optics mount secures to the gun, I have to say I'm not fully impressed.
The idea of clamping to only the gas tube (as opposed to around the barrel, which is how other designs like MI and Ultimak work) sits the wrong way with me, along with using the polymer handguard itself to help stabilize it (from mrgunsngear's review). Between this, both Midwest Industries 1913 quadrail / keymod handguards, a top cover rail (that requires you to drill holes), and the Ultimak, none provided the perfect solution and all have their negatives. MI = too much extra weight and bulk and I don't need so many rails or doodads. Top cover rail = not stable enough. Ultimak = burnt fingers. Manticore = unsure about long term zero maintenance with rougher handling. I chose the Ultimak with grip tape to cover up the exposed areas that my hand sometimes touches, as it offered the fewest negatives for my needs, and I always wear gloves anyways. The ability to use the Renegade handguard with the Ultimak would have been an absolute killer combo, the best of all worlds. Perhaps with lots of fitting, it could work. I'm just not convinced yet that this is a viable optic mounting system for something beyond "just having fun", but I'm more than happy to be wrong. I have numerous Manticore AK and Sig products that work outstanding. Just not a fan of this one. I'll wait until the AK Operator's Union gives it a test. |
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this may have been addressed already but are there plans to expand this handguard line to other AK designs, like a general AKM pattern design? I honestly think you could do a lot more with this than just the PAP pistol series. Quoted:
Between this, both Midwest Industries 1913 quadrail / keymod handguards, a top cover rail (that requires you to drill holes), and the Ultimak, none provided the perfect solution and all have their negatives. MI = too much extra weight and bulk and I don't need so many rails or doodads. Top cover rail = not stable enough. Ultimak = burnt fingers. Manticore = unsure about long term zero maintenance with rougher handling. I chose the Ultimak with grip tape to cover up the exposed areas that my hand sometimes touches, as it offered the fewest negatives for my needs, and I always wear gloves anyways. The ability to use the Renegade handguard with the Ultimak would have been an absolute killer combo, the best of all worlds. Perhaps with lots of fitting, it could work. View Quote There are remedies to almost everyone of those gripes though, you could always get the MI keymod rails that decrease the amount of weight on the fore end, and you could wear heavy duty gloves for the Ultimak. But I am with you on waiting to see a real "killer" test of the top rail. Ploufedaddy does a good job from a range perspective, but I want to see Rob Ski beat the ever living piss out of that top cover before I jump on one. |
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[#17]
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Renegade polymer lower AND Optics Mount Top Covers are now available for purchase on the Manticore web store! http://www.manticorearms.com/Renegade-Forearm-for-Yugo-Krinkov-AK-MA-8100.htm Also, Mr. Guns and Gear got his review up, and it does a great job of showing how the Optics Mount Top Covers are installed and work(just as good as any video or instructions I could put together): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s7yzjVeS1U Sven Manticore Arms View Quote Embedded it. |
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Manticore, this may have been addressed already but are there plans to expand this handguard line to other AK designs, like a general AKM pattern design? I honestly think you could do a lot more with this than just the PAP pistol series. There are remedies to almost everyone of those gripes though, you could always get the MI keymod rails that decrease the amount of weight on the fore end, and you could wear heavy duty gloves for the Ultimak. But I am with you on waiting to see a real "killer" test of the top rail. Ploufedaddy does a good job from a range perspective, but I want to see Rob Ski beat the ever living piss out of that top cover before I jump on one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Manticore, this may have been addressed already but are there plans to expand this handguard line to other AK designs, like a general AKM pattern design? I honestly think you could do a lot more with this than just the PAP pistol series. Quoted:
Between this, both Midwest Industries 1913 quadrail / keymod handguards, a top cover rail (that requires you to drill holes), and the Ultimak, none provided the perfect solution and all have their negatives. MI = too much extra weight and bulk and I don't need so many rails or doodads. Top cover rail = not stable enough. Ultimak = burnt fingers. Manticore = unsure about long term zero maintenance with rougher handling. I chose the Ultimak with grip tape to cover up the exposed areas that my hand sometimes touches, as it offered the fewest negatives for my needs, and I always wear gloves anyways. The ability to use the Renegade handguard with the Ultimak would have been an absolute killer combo, the best of all worlds. Perhaps with lots of fitting, it could work. There are remedies to almost everyone of those gripes though, you could always get the MI keymod rails that decrease the amount of weight on the fore end, and you could wear heavy duty gloves for the Ultimak. But I am with you on waiting to see a real "killer" test of the top rail. Ploufedaddy does a good job from a range perspective, but I want to see Rob Ski beat the ever living piss out of that top cover before I jump on one. ONce we have some traction with the Yugo PAP Renegade, yes, there are plans to expand the product to other models of AK's. We already have prototypes in house. |
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After finally seeing a video of how the optics mount secures to the gun, I have to say I'm not fully impressed. The idea of clamping to only the gas tube (as opposed to around the barrel, which is how other designs like MI and Ultimak work) sits the wrong way with me, along with using the polymer handguard itself to help stabilize it (from mrgunsngear's review). Between this, both Midwest Industries 1913 quadrail / keymod handguards, a top cover rail (that requires you to drill holes), and the Ultimak, none provided the perfect solution and all have their negatives. MI = too much extra weight and bulk and I don't need so many rails or doodads. Top cover rail = not stable enough. Ultimak = burnt fingers. Manticore = unsure about long term zero maintenance with rougher handling. I chose the Ultimak with grip tape to cover up the exposed areas that my hand sometimes touches, as it offered the fewest negatives for my needs, and I always wear gloves anyways. The ability to use the Renegade handguard with the Ultimak would have been an absolute killer combo, the best of all worlds. Perhaps with lots of fitting, it could work. I'm just not convinced yet that this is a viable optic mounting system for something beyond "just having fun", but I'm more than happy to be wrong. I have numerous Manticore AK and Sig products that work outstanding. Just not a fan of this one. I'll wait until the AK Operator's Union gives it a test. View Quote You are welcome to be not fully impressed, it is a free country. That being said, we did internal testing and had 7 independent beta testers run it and it holds zero and hasn't had any issues. We clamp around the gas tube as the major complaint is that clamping around the barrel makes it impossible to remove the gas tube for cleaning. Also, it is very easy for us to make a clamp that loops around the barrel for those who are OK with not being able to remove the gas tube and like yourself. In fact, that part is already designed and we will likely offer it down the road if there is enough demand for it, but right now, when all of our empircal testing shows that the mount retains zero and doesn't need barrel clamps, there is no reason to make the installation and removal more complicated. The other reason we did not want to clamp around the barrel is quite simply anything that bolts to the barrel changes the barrel harmonics, and can change the point of aim and even the group size on the gun. Ultimaks and MI rails are well known to change the point of impact and even allow you to tighten the mounting screws so much you can bind the gas piston in the gas tube. I know this firsthand, we tested a lot of existing forend rails to see the pros and cons of each system. The best way to avoid this problem on the user end is simply not allow you to bolt the gas tube to the barrel, and to also design the mount to the gas tube so it can't overcrush and deform the gas tube itself. Yes, we actually had thought all that through in the design process- there is indeed a method to the madness in ALL of the design of the Renegade polymer forearm and aluminum Optics Mount Top Cover. The top lock pin makes the gas tube on a Yugo PAP lock VERY tight on all but a single gun we have ever seen. The clamping action of the polymer is just "extra bonus" and not necessary for it to hold zero; BUT, in the one instance of the pin not retaining the gas tube solidly it did indeed lock things up nice and tight and allowed it top cover to retain zero! As far as an Ultimak not fitting, well, it is kind of like people asking why Chevy wheel rims won't fit a Ford- we aren't Ultimak, and we have come up with a different engineering solution for a problem, and one that we feel is superior for the weapon in discussion. We looked at the Utlimak originally, and due to its design it is too wide to allow for a good grip profile cross section, and would also block all the upper ARC LOK slots. The high sides of the Renegade allow you to have two levels of ARC LOK slots, and also protect your hand from the heat of the gas tube - one thing that the Ultimak is known for (I personally have burned my hand on an Ultimak, it sucks). Hopefully that addresses all of your thoughts and concerns. Of course I am more than happy to discuss the "why" of why the Renegade is designed the way it is if there are any other questions. Sven Manticore Arms |
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we did internal testing and had 7 independent beta testers run it and it holds zero and hasn't had any issues. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
we did internal testing and had 7 independent beta testers run it and it holds zero and hasn't had any issues. What tests did you and the beta testers perform? You are welcome to be not fully impressed, it is a free country. No jerkiness was meant on my part. Perhaps not the best word to use. |
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What tests did you and the beta testers perform? No jerkiness was meant on my part. Perhaps not the best word to use. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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we did internal testing and had 7 independent beta testers run it and it holds zero and hasn't had any issues. What tests did you and the beta testers perform? You are welcome to be not fully impressed, it is a free country. No jerkiness was meant on my part. Perhaps not the best word to use. Ran lots of rounds through the gun with the top cover mounted, mounting and demounting, running more rounds through the gun, etc. - the Mr Guns and Gear video is a pretty good abbreviated example of what was done (more so over several months here in house). No one has had a top cover loosen up and the mounting method holds zero based on all the testing we and the other beta testers did. Just to be clear, I know this is a new "novel" way of mounting an optic on an AK, and new designs can lead to concerns, but if I wasn't fully satisfied that it would maintain zero we would not have released it for sale. Honestly the beta testing is what in part delayed public release, I wanted to make sure we had plenty of outside feedback to confirm what our in house results to make sure everything was 110% before public release. That being said I do totally understand wanting to see the product out on the market and getting feedback from more than just beta testers, no problem with that. |
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I just checked my m92's gas tube, and it does in fact have some wobble.
While it feels rock solid at the lock pin, I have definite side to side movement closer to the gas block. Maybe not as much as the previously mentioned case (I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread, or maybe over at AKfiles), but enough to give me concern. The handguard itself would probably prevent that movement and hold the gas tube in place, but this solution would not fit my needs. How much would this affect accuracy? Who can say, but it's something I have to consider. If the barrel clamp option ever comes available, I will definitely give this product a second look. Thank you Sven for continuing to innovate. |
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Do you have a timeline on the plain covers? Thanks! View Quote No ETA yet, I had a lot to take care of before the shop shutdown and my vacation/honeymoon and there just wasnt time to get the final design tweaks done. Hopefully get it finished up next week and moving forward! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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[#26]
Totally off topic but do you have an ETA on availability of DANGER ZONE! patches?
I wanted to grab one with my top cover (ordered it anyways) but they are sold out? |
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Totally off topic but do you have an ETA on availability of DANGER ZONE! patches? I wanted to grab one with my top cover (ordered it anyways) but they are sold out? View Quote More on order and should be restocked in about 10 days. Patches ship free on their own, so you can always place your order now for the parts and order the patch later with no extra shipping charges. |
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Polymer top cover design is finished, and we will be looking at cost and ETA in the next day or two.
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Renegade polymer lower AND Optics Mount Top Covers are now available for purchase on the Manticore web store! http://www.manticorearms.com/Renegade-Forearm-for-Yugo-Krinkov-AK-MA-8100.htm Also, Mr. Guns and Gear got his review up, and it does a great job of showing how the Optics Mount Top Covers are installed and work(just as good as any video or instructions I could put together): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s7yzjVeS1U Sven Manticore Arms Embedded it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s7yzjVeS1U Great video.... You covered my experiences with the Renegade forearm and top cover to a T. You also did a very good job of showing how the top plate mounts to the gas tube and how sturdy it was..... Glad you posted that, I'm sorta video camera shy and would end up looking like a goofball trying to accomplish anything remotely similar. |
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Great video.... You covered my experiences with the Renegade forearm and top cover to a T. You also did a very good job of showing how the top plate mounts to the gas tube and how sturdy it was..... Glad you posted that, I'm sorta video camera shy and would end up looking like a goofball trying to accomplish anything remotely similar. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Renegade polymer lower AND Optics Mount Top Covers are now available for purchase on the Manticore web store! http://www.manticorearms.com/Renegade-Forearm-for-Yugo-Krinkov-AK-MA-8100.htm Also, Mr. Guns and Gear got his review up, and it does a great job of showing how the Optics Mount Top Covers are installed and work(just as good as any video or instructions I could put together): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s7yzjVeS1U Sven Manticore Arms Embedded it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s7yzjVeS1U Great video.... You covered my experiences with the Renegade forearm and top cover to a T. You also did a very good job of showing how the top plate mounts to the gas tube and how sturdy it was..... Glad you posted that, I'm sorta video camera shy and would end up looking like a goofball trying to accomplish anything remotely similar. You should see some of my earlier videos Talking to a camera is pretty wierd and takes some time to get used to.... |
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You should see some of my earlier videos Talking to a camera is pretty wierd and takes some time to get used to.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Renegade polymer lower AND Optics Mount Top Covers are now available for purchase on the Manticore web store! http://www.manticorearms.com/Renegade-Forearm-for-Yugo-Krinkov-AK-MA-8100.htm Also, Mr. Guns and Gear got his review up, and it does a great job of showing how the Optics Mount Top Covers are installed and work(just as good as any video or instructions I could put together): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s7yzjVeS1U Sven Manticore Arms Embedded it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s7yzjVeS1U Great video.... You covered my experiences with the Renegade forearm and top cover to a T. You also did a very good job of showing how the top plate mounts to the gas tube and how sturdy it was..... Glad you posted that, I'm sorta video camera shy and would end up looking like a goofball trying to accomplish anything remotely similar. You should see some of my earlier videos Talking to a camera is pretty wierd and takes some time to get used to.... I'd probably end up making a fair amount of money if I started making videos.... I'd gnarf it up to a degree that people would think I was mentally disabled or disturbed and would donate money for my care... And then there'd be manufacturers like Sven paying money for me to NOT use their names in any video's I did..... Think I'll stick to being a cop and trying my level best not be the star of a You Tube video..... |
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Considering getting the Manticore Renegade so I can use my Burris Fastfire, but is there any other traditional style rails out there that have a Fastfire specific upper handguard?
I'm wanting this so I can cowitness. |
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Maybe the Midwest Ind metal handguard may co witness. though not sure
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Not with the regular upper and I don't think they make one dedicated for the Fastfire. Only for the micro Aimpoint and Primary Arms.
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[#36]
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Considering getting the Manticore Renegade so I can use my Burris Fastfire, but is there any other traditional style rails out there that have a Fastfire specific upper handguard? I'm wanting this so I can cowitness. View Quote As far as I know we are the only ones making a co-witness compatible optics mount for the Burris Fastfire on the Yugo PAP. Sven Manticore Arms |
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[#38]
Got sick and missed the free shipping. Hate being a cheapskate
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Finally got a chance tonight to mount my FF top cover. My Manticore edition M92 is complete http://i.imgur.com/uYjY8O9.jpg http://i.imgur.com/kcCmAbZ.jpg View Quote Nice! |
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FYI, the polymer top cover mold is in process, should have Renegade polymer top covers in stock in about 6 weeks or so for all those who just want to run a polymer handgaurd with no optics (or a different optics mount than ours, God forbid! )
Price will be around $15 for the poly top cover. Sven Manticore Arms |
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That looks SWEET Sven! Nice work by you and your guys! View Quote Thanks. Our mold builder is a true artist, he really understands polymer like no other person I have ever met. Test shots are usually just that- just to make sure the mold functions, and then you tweak the injection speed and temperature to make everything look nice (no gas bubbles, swirls, etc), but every time he does it we get production grade parts! Should be 30 days or so until we have some inventory built up and they are ready to sell. Let's just call it $15 for that polymer top plate. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Renegade Polymer Top Covers are now available, and only $15!
http://www.manticorearms.com/Renegade-Forearm-Polymer-Top-Cover-MA-8700.htm |
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Your second picture shows that its a Mission First Tactical handguard.
Personally, I dislike the gap at the top..... But that's just me. Sven, the polymer top plate looks good. And that price cant be beat. Good job by you and your guys! |
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Can anyone identify this hand guard for me? Looks like it may have been cut/modded to fit. If I can mod this to fit and cover the piston area better it would be pretty sweet. http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/447701000/447701417/pix642869269.jpg http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/447701000/447701417/pix457277900.jpg http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/447701000/447701417/pix110238318.jpg View Quote It is a Mission First Tactical Tekko AK-47 polymer forend. The top always looks like that, it is intended for a stamped AKM, not the Yugo PAP. |
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It is a Mission First Tactical Tekko AK-47 polymer forend. The top always looks like that, it is intended for a stamped AKM, not the Yugo PAP. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Can anyone identify this hand guard for me? Looks like it may have been cut/modded to fit. If I can mod this to fit and cover the piston area better it would be pretty sweet. http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/447701000/447701417/pix642869269.jpg http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/447701000/447701417/pix457277900.jpg http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/447701000/447701417/pix110238318.jpg It is a Mission First Tactical Tekko AK-47 polymer forend. The top always looks like that, it is intended for a stamped AKM, not the Yugo PAP. Thanks man, as neat as it looks, that gap is a deal breaker. Burn waiting to happen. |
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Can anyone identify this hand guard for me? Looks like it may have been cut/modded to fit. If I can mod this to fit and cover the piston area better it would be pretty sweet. http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/447701000/447701417/pix642869269.jpg http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/447701000/447701417/pix457277900.jpg http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/447701000/447701417/pix110238318.jpg It is a Mission First Tactical Tekko AK-47 polymer forend. The top always looks like that, it is intended for a stamped AKM, not the Yugo PAP. Thanks man, as neat as it looks, that gap is a deal breaker. Burn waiting to happen. Yup. That is why you should go with the Manticore Arms Renegade forearm- designed for the Yugo PAP from the ground up. |
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