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Posted: 2/13/2014 7:09:22 PM EDT
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1. Any color you want as long as it is black, for now at least. 60 days out give or take. 2. PA micro and Aimpoint micro will work with the same base, we have a PA micro right here in house to confirm that. Yes, it will co-witness 3. Will be offered "ala carte" (you can buy just the polymer forend or just the optics mount) and also as a full package with rail segments. We will also have individual rail segments for sale shortly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any idea on when this will be available? Will rail sections be included? Color options? I personally would not put a delta point, or other high end optic on a $400 PAP, but some people have more money than they know what to do with. I would go with the PA red dot they offer. Hopefully a top cover would fit that and possibly even co-witness. 1. Any color you want as long as it is black, for now at least. 60 days out give or take. 2. PA micro and Aimpoint micro will work with the same base, we have a PA micro right here in house to confirm that. Yes, it will co-witness 3. Will be offered "ala carte" (you can buy just the polymer forend or just the optics mount) and also as a full package with rail segments. We will also have individual rail segments for sale shortly. Very, very nicely done Sven. 
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Posted: 2/13/2014 7:15:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2014 8:33:39 PM EDT
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Awesome looking handguard can't wait to say "take my money".
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Posted: 2/13/2014 9:21:31 PM EDT
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So the optics mount will be shielded, and will be a replacement gas tube?
Can you post a pic of the mount in place on the standard lower wood handguard when you're ready to show pics? Mick Quote HistoryQuoted:
The top is closed off by the optics mount (which isn't shown in the pictures- finishing up the patent for it). Yes, the optics mount will allow for co-wtiness of several popular red dot sights. 
Unlike most other optics mount systems for the AK that leave you with an exposed, hot gas tube and optics mounting system, the idea here is to wrap the underside and sides in polymer so your hands won't contact any metal from the barrel or gas tube- no burned fingers of hands! You could, of course, just run the lower polymer forearm without any optics mount (just running iron sights) to give maximum ventilation. |
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Posted: 2/14/2014 1:03:40 AM EDT
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Very, very nicely done Sven. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any idea on when this will be available? Will rail sections be included? Color options? I personally would not put a delta point, or other high end optic on a $400 PAP, but some people have more money than they know what to do with. I would go with the PA red dot they offer. Hopefully a top cover would fit that and possibly even co-witness. 1. Any color you want as long as it is black, for now at least. 60 days out give or take. 2. PA micro and Aimpoint micro will work with the same base, we have a PA micro right here in house to confirm that. Yes, it will co-witness 3. Will be offered "ala carte" (you can buy just the polymer forend or just the optics mount) and also as a full package with rail segments. We will also have individual rail segments for sale shortly. Very, very nicely done Sven. Yup! ETA - I also very much like that it covers the "Gap of Doom" as the MI rep referred to it in one thread. |
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Posted: 2/15/2014 10:05:51 PM EDT
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Looking forward to completed project. Any projected cost for the setup yet?
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Posted: 2/15/2014 10:11:05 PM EDT
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Again, advice from the peanut gallery;
But could you add a bit of a forward handstop? Or a way to attach one? I'm going to put a sling on mine and use the "pull forward" method common with the HK MP5K. ETA: Never mind, I didn't read the part about compatibility with the rail segments. |
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Posted: 2/16/2014 10:54:52 AM EDT
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In for the combo deal.
Hand guard, mount, muzzle device, pin, folding mechanism...you get the idea.
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Posted: 2/16/2014 11:16:05 AM EDT
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Hang tight guys, pricing will be announced when it is about ready to release. Pretty sure everyone will be happy with the price point based on some discussions with beta testers.
We are working on a whole line of accessories for the ARClight slot system, including a handstop.
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Posted: 2/16/2014 11:16:40 AM EDT
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In for the combo deal. Hand guard, mount, muzzle device, pin, folding mechanism...you get the idea. That is what I like to hear! Means we are doing it right. 
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Posted: 2/17/2014 2:31:55 PM EDT
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Want
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Posted: 2/17/2014 2:39:37 PM EDT
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Final prototyping of the lower forend is being done right now. As long as everything looks good (should know in a day or two), on to mold construction we go!
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Posted: 2/17/2014 2:48:12 PM EDT
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Sweeeet. I was going to get a set of MIs, but I like these a lot better.
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Posted: 2/17/2014 3:13:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Final prototyping of the lower forend is being done right now. As long as everything looks good (should know in a day or two), on to mold construction we go! Quote HistoryQuoted: Final prototyping of the lower forend is being done right now. As long as everything looks good (should know in a day or two), on to mold construction we go! Seriously, though...  I got my stock & hinge in last weekend and the stock is awesome. Keep up the good work, guys! |
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Posted: 2/20/2014 3:48:37 PM EDT
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Got the final prototype done up today, everything fits great, we will be starting on the mold next week.
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Posted: 2/20/2014 4:06:44 PM EDT
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This is my first thread that resulted in something new being created to meet my request. The hand guard looks incredible, in fact it looks like a perfect blend of the feel an original hand guard with the provision for user added rails. I hope that I will be able to get two when they become available (before my usual luck sets in and they quickly sell out). Thanks Manticore for responding to small request in a big way.
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Posted: 2/20/2014 4:17:29 PM EDT
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Waiting to see...
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Posted: 3/4/2014 8:46:17 PM EDT
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I like it, can't wait to see the whole package together.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 7:48:45 AM EDT
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My PAP will be a Manticore advertisement once I get my stamp back: brake/detent, stock/hinge and handguard/(possibly optics mount as well) once they ship.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:29:40 PM EDT
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My PAP will be a Manticore advertisement once I get my stamp back: brake/detent, stock/hinge and handguard/(possibly optics mount as well) once they ship. LOL, that is awesome. Once you have it set up send us a picture.
FYI, I spent several more hours working on the optics mount yesterday, we ended up looking at several different ways to mount the optic including mounted to handguard, mounted to barrel, mounted to gas tube, making a new gas tube, and several sub variations of each. This has taken a little longer than I had hoped, but to be honest, it is a hell of a tricky design problem- some people want ease of gas tube removal, some want it rock solid mounted to barrel, and some just want a top cover for the polymer forearm. In addition, it has to work seamlessly with our polymer forend, so certain designs require tweaks of the polymer forend itself. It is pretty much the ultimate Rubik's cube problem bolted to the front end of a rifle when you get right down to it, and you have to try a lot of combinations to get it to work!
That being said, I would rather take a little longer to get the best design we can than rush things. In any case, as of this morning I have it solved to my liking, and we will be prototyping out the final design this week, and if all goes well we will have pictures shortly of the prototype. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 3/6/2014 9:50:39 AM EDT
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LOL, that is awesome. Once you have it set up send us a picture.
FYI, I spent several more hours working on the optics mount yesterday, we ended up looking at several different ways to mount the optic including mounted to handguard, mounted to barrel, mounted to gas tube, making a new gas tube, and several sub variations of each. This has taken a little longer than I had hoped, but to be honest, it is a hell of a tricky design problem- some people want ease of gas tube removal, some want it rock solid mounted to barrel, and some just want a top cover for the polymer forearm. In addition, it has to work seamlessly with our polymer forend, so certain designs require tweaks of the polymer forend itself. It is pretty much the ultimate Rubik's cube problem bolted to the front end of a rifle when you get right down to it, and you have to try a lot of combinations to get it to work!
That being said, I would rather take a little longer to get the best design we can than rush things. In any case, as of this morning I have it solved to my liking, and we will be prototyping out the final design this week, and if all goes well we will have pictures shortly of the prototype. Sven Manticore Arms Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My PAP will be a Manticore advertisement once I get my stamp back: brake/detent, stock/hinge and handguard/(possibly optics mount as well) once they ship. LOL, that is awesome. Once you have it set up send us a picture.
FYI, I spent several more hours working on the optics mount yesterday, we ended up looking at several different ways to mount the optic including mounted to handguard, mounted to barrel, mounted to gas tube, making a new gas tube, and several sub variations of each. This has taken a little longer than I had hoped, but to be honest, it is a hell of a tricky design problem- some people want ease of gas tube removal, some want it rock solid mounted to barrel, and some just want a top cover for the polymer forearm. In addition, it has to work seamlessly with our polymer forend, so certain designs require tweaks of the polymer forend itself. It is pretty much the ultimate Rubik's cube problem bolted to the front end of a rifle when you get right down to it, and you have to try a lot of combinations to get it to work!
That being said, I would rather take a little longer to get the best design we can than rush things. In any case, as of this morning I have it solved to my liking, and we will be prototyping out the final design this week, and if all goes well we will have pictures shortly of the prototype. Sven Manticore Arms This is the kind of industry involvement that makes arfcom great. Off to your website to see what I can find. |
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Posted: 3/6/2014 1:29:22 PM EDT
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Finished up the CAD modelling and working on the physical prototype of the finalized optics mount design right now. Should be ready to show by Monday if all goes well. It did require a slight redesign of the polymer forearm, so that will push back mold construction a bit while we confirm everything fits and works 100%, but obviously the end result will be worthwhile.
The first model is for a Burris Fastifre, and it will be a lower 1/3 (closer to lower 1/4) cowitness design, which leaves the field of view pretty open but still allows you to fall back on the irons if the Fastfire craps out. It was tough to get the optic low enough to make the irons useable, but I think through a lot of design iterations, a lot of math, and a little luck we were finally able to pull it off.
OK, more details when it is ready to show- pictures worth a thousand words and all that! 
Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 3/7/2014 2:37:10 PM EDT
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Sweet!
Thanks flyer for starting this thread, and thanks Sven for knocking this out so quickly! |
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Posted: 3/7/2014 4:50:13 PM EDT
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Sweet!
Just about to pick up my yugo m92 and am really looking at this , as long as the price point is okay. Im in!! |
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Posted: 3/8/2014 3:22:48 PM EDT
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Finished up the CAD modelling and working on the physical prototype of the finalized optics mount design right now. Should be ready to show by Monday if all goes well. It did require a slight redesign of the polymer forearm, so that will push back mold construction a bit while we confirm everything fits and works 100%, but obviously the end result will be worthwhile. The first model is for a Burris Fastifre, and it will be a lower 1/3 (closer to lower 1/4) cowitness design, which leaves the field of view pretty open but still allows you to fall back on the irons if the Fastfire craps out. It was tough to get the optic low enough to make the irons useable, but I think through a lot of design iterations, a lot of math, and a little luck we were finally able to pull it off.
OK, more details when it is ready to show- pictures worth a thousand words and all that!
Sven Manticore Arms Awesome. I assume it should offer a nice co-witness with an aimpoint micro (or clone) then. |
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Posted: 3/8/2014 6:29:41 PM EDT
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Awesome. I assume it should offer a nice co-witness with an aimpoint micro (or clone) then. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Finished up the CAD modelling and working on the physical prototype of the finalized optics mount design right now. Should be ready to show by Monday if all goes well. It did require a slight redesign of the polymer forearm, so that will push back mold construction a bit while we confirm everything fits and works 100%, but obviously the end result will be worthwhile. The first model is for a Burris Fastifre, and it will be a lower 1/3 (closer to lower 1/4) cowitness design, which leaves the field of view pretty open but still allows you to fall back on the irons if the Fastfire craps out. It was tough to get the optic low enough to make the irons useable, but I think through a lot of design iterations, a lot of math, and a little luck we were finally able to pull it off.
OK, more details when it is ready to show- pictures worth a thousand words and all that!
Sven Manticore Arms Awesome. I assume it should offer a nice co-witness with an aimpoint micro (or clone) then. Yes, I spent a lot of time checking sight heights, and as long as it works with the Burris Fastfire (the math and measurements say it does, so as long as my work was good...) then the Aimpoint Micro, Trijicon RMR, and Leupold Deltapoint will all work too (with their own optic specific mounts). We have all four in house and it looks promising.
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Posted: 3/9/2014 10:47:22 AM EDT
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Its difficult to FAP to this without pictures....
Just saying..... |
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Posted: 3/9/2014 1:13:54 PM EDT
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Its difficult to FAP to this without pictures.... Just saying..... Pcitrues of the lower forearm are on the previous page. As mentioned above, pictures of the optics mount are coming this week. |
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Posted: 3/9/2014 1:37:38 PM EDT
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yeah, but clicking back a page interrupts my rhythm and throws me off....
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Posted: 3/9/2014 2:15:04 PM EDT
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Here you go Maxxll, don't want to interrupt your internet cruising rhythm.
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Posted: 3/9/2014 2:38:14 PM EDT
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LOL...
Well played Sven.... Well played...
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Posted: 3/9/2014 4:56:45 PM EDT
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LOL... Well played Sven.... Well played... LOL any good excuse to repost the pictures on the current page!
We'll have pics of the optics mount up this coming week, almost ready to show!
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Posted: 3/11/2014 9:40:28 PM EDT
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Just put a quick coat of finish on the prototypes so they look a bit more presentable, should have pictures up tomorrow!
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Posted: 3/11/2014 10:11:37 PM EDT
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Just put a quick coat of finish on the prototypes so they look a bit more presentable, should have pictures up tomorrow! You better have pictures tomorrow.... |
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Posted: 3/11/2014 11:33:43 PM EDT
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Here you go, a couple of pictures to start! Just leaving the office now, and it is almost midnight here!
[ETA]First couple of pics of the Burris Fastfire mount on our own gas tube. Yes, you can see the irons through the Fastfire, they are in the lower 1/3 to 1/4 of the Fastfire window- out of the way for using the red dot, still visible if your red dot craps out all of a sudden. 
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Posted: 3/12/2014 2:54:22 AM EDT
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Very nice I'm in for sure.
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Posted: 3/12/2014 7:40:56 AM EDT
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I need that for an aimpoint micro NOW! Hurry and take my money. I need a nightshroud and dent also.
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Posted: 3/12/2014 2:48:10 PM EDT
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Very Nice !!
How long did it take to print? When will they be shipping? |
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Posted: 3/12/2014 3:15:14 PM EDT
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I ordered a FF III and Inforce WML HSP today, put me in line for the combo.
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Posted: 3/12/2014 3:19:53 PM EDT
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A couple more pics, one from the top and one showing that you can indeed see the irons through the Fastfire (did my best to line them up, was tricky to do that and get it in focus for the picture! Front sight post is just slightly to the left in the rear notch...)
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Posted: 3/12/2014 3:24:59 PM EDT
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Very Nice !! How long did it take to print? When will they be shipping? Yes
A good long while!
Not sure on the ETA yet, still crunching numbers on the gas tube and top cover. Once we have that and our current production schedule figured out I can work out a possible ETA. |
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Posted: 3/12/2014 3:51:21 PM EDT
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Wellp, there goes all my money again.
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Posted: 3/12/2014 4:31:17 PM EDT
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Do you have any pics with other optics like a Primary Arms MD06 or a SPARC? Also if we choose not to mount an optic will there be a top guard we can use to keep the original gas tube? This looks awesome I'm assuming you can mount 1913 rails on the sides and bottom with the slots that are on it?
Thanks Sven. |
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Posted: 3/12/2014 4:41:36 PM EDT
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Will it include an entire new gas tube? Or does it just have some sort of bracket?
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Posted: 3/12/2014 4:59:23 PM EDT
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Do you have any pics with other optics like a Primary Arms MD06 or a SPARC? Also if we choose not to mount an optic will there be a top guard we can use to keep the original gas tube? This looks awesome I'm assuming you can mount 1913 rails on the sides and bottom with the slots that are on it? Thanks Sven. We do not have pics of other optics as I only have the one top mount made up right now, but all the others will work, I just have to draw up the appropriate interface. We are looking at a couple of options on how to do a top guard without using the Manticore gas tube. The original gas tube will fit, we just have to figure out a clever way to make a top cover. I think we can probably just make a top plate that clips in on the existing upper handguard retainers. Up until now I was just focused on getting the top cover optics mount to work, and it took a lot of time! Yes, the slots on the sides and underside of the polymer forearm interface with our ARClight picatinny rails and ARClight accessories (and also Magpul polymer rail segments and IWC Mount n Slot components too!). In fact, you could even mount our Internal Pressure Switch Mount kit on the side of the Renegade handguard and have your pressure switch INSIDE the handguard!
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Posted: 3/12/2014 5:02:09 PM EDT
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Will it include an entire new gas tube? Or does it just have some sort of bracket? The optics mount will require the new gas tube. We tried multiple different designs to mount an optic, and ultimately this was the cleanest, easiest, best way to pull it off. Honestly I would have liked to have found a way to mount the optics cover to the existing gas tube, but we just could not find a way that was to my liking and that kept the side ARClight slots on the lower forend useable. There just is not enough envelope to work with to mount it in a sturdy manner, at least not in the hours and hours of design work I spent on it! |
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Posted: 3/12/2014 6:06:27 PM EDT
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The optics mount will require the new gas tube. We tried multiple different designs to mount an optic, and ultimately this was the cleanest, easiest, best way to pull it off. Honestly I would have liked to have found a way to mount the optics cover to the existing gas tube, but we just could not find a way that was to my liking and that kept the side ARClight slots on the lower forend useable. There just is not enough envelope to work with to mount it in a sturdy manner, at least not in the hours and hours of design work I spent on it! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Will it include an entire new gas tube? Or does it just have some sort of bracket? The optics mount will require the new gas tube. We tried multiple different designs to mount an optic, and ultimately this was the cleanest, easiest, best way to pull it off. Honestly I would have liked to have found a way to mount the optics cover to the existing gas tube, but we just could not find a way that was to my liking and that kept the side ARClight slots on the lower forend useable. There just is not enough envelope to work with to mount it in a sturdy manner, at least not in the hours and hours of design work I spent on it! Actually, just looking at the current configuration, I think I may have just figured out how to make a modified version of the optics mount top plate work on a standard gas tube that comes on the Yugo PAP's , which would eliminate needing to make up a whole new gas tube- going to look into it ASAP! Sometimes you just need a fresh look at something to see a new, possible solution....
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Posted: 3/12/2014 9:12:12 PM EDT
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Here you go Maxxll, don't want to interrupt your internet cruising rhythm.
<a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/MA8100rightside.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/MA8100rightside.jpg</a> <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/MA8100rightangled.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/MA8100rightangled.jpg</a> <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/MA8100leftangled.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/MA8100leftangled.jpg</a> are you going to make those for a draco? |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 1:33:55 AM EDT
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Welp, there goes another paycheck...
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Posted: 3/13/2014 10:44:24 AM EDT
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Welp, there goes another paycheck... It MSRP should be a lot less than a paycheck if it all works out to plan!
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