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Posted: 7/22/2012 10:53:10 AM
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Posted: 7/22/2012 11:10:08 AM
Which part of the process, the legal or the construction?
If legal, are you doing a trust or CLEO signoff? For construction, what stock are you interested in installing? Az |
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haLfLiFe
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Posted: 7/22/2012 11:12:35 AM
I just filled out my first Form 1 yesterday using this thread:
Instructions on filling out Form 1 After reading it I decided to go the Trust route since my CLEO is not signing off at this time. It took me a few hours to read/fill everything out to make sure I was spot on. |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 1:09:06 PM
Originally Posted By AzB:
Which part of the process, the legal or the construction? If legal, are you doing a trust or CLEO signoff? For construction, what stock are you interested in installing? Az Legal/paperwork steps. |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 10:46:20 PM
I often read during the discussions on AK Dracos and other AK pistol variants about how short barrelled rifle (SBR) conversion is the way to go. Of course doing so requires that the firearm owner fill out and submit a NFA Form 1 and pay for the $200 tax stamp. Isn't this a form of registration, the bane of free gun ownership? The BATFE has your name and address and can technically drop in and ask to see your paperwork (which must remain with your firearm forevermore). My concern is that with a government that is continually encroaching on our rights daily, why would anyone do this to themselves? Don't get me wrong: I'm not suggesting that people should SBR their pistols illegally. I'm curious as to why anyone would intentionally place themselves on the government's radar just to have an SBR or AOW.
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haLfLiFe
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Posted: 7/23/2012 2:02:53 AM
Because some of us want SBR's and there is not another way of aquiring them. So, to ask us why when there are no other options is kind of a rhetorical question.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 6:05:43 AM
Originally Posted By vf0phoenix:
I often read during the discussions on AK Dracos and other AK pistol variants about how short barrelled rifle (SBR) conversion is the way to go. Of course doing so requires that the firearm owner fill out and submit a NFA Form 1 and pay for the $200 tax stamp. Isn't this a form of registration, the bane of free gun ownership? The BATFE has your name and address and can technically drop in and ask to see your paperwork (which must remain with your firearm forevermore). My concern is that with a government that is continually encroaching on our rights daily, why would anyone do this to themselves? Don't get me wrong: I'm not suggesting that people should SBR their pistols illegally. I'm curious as to why anyone would intentionally place themselves on the government's radar just to have an SBR or AOW. A valid question. In this day and age, it makes little sense to be the peg that sticks up, especially if you enjoy a hobby that is controversial and becomijg more and more of a target by the politically correct crowd every day. My response is that if you're looking to stay out of the crosshairs, you're far more likely to be singled out by what you say online, like in this forum. And having a facebook account seems to be a pretty poor idea these days as well. Many folks have been persecuted and prosecuted for things that have been posted on facebook lately. Clearly, that is a bigger risk than being on the BATFE's list of legal gun owners. And worst case scenario is that they come demanding the guns. So I hand them over. They represent only a small percentage of my collection so it's not the end of the world. And I see this as highly unlikely, as the BATFE are incredibly understaffed and there are tens of thousands of nfa items owners in the USA. Besides, being owned by a trust means any number of trustees could be using them at any given time, so they may not even be in my posession. And the BATFE has no information on the trustees other than a name, as it's not required to give the BATFE anything more than a name. No fingerprints, no picture, not even an address. If I wanted to make it hard for them, I could. And if evry nfa item owner did this, it would take them decades to round them all up. And for what purpose? NFA item owners are some of the most law abiding people in the country. I see a lot of things to be concerned about, but being a NFA item owner and being on a registration list ain't high up there. Az |
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Posted: 7/24/2012 5:09:18 PM
Originally Posted By AzB:
Originally Posted By vf0phoenix:
I often read during the discussions on AK Dracos and other AK pistol variants about how short barrelled rifle (SBR) conversion is the way to go. Of course doing so requires that the firearm owner fill out and submit a NFA Form 1 and pay for the $200 tax stamp. Isn't this a form of registration, the bane of free gun ownership? The BATFE has your name and address and can technically drop in and ask to see your paperwork (which must remain with your firearm forevermore). My concern is that with a government that is continually encroaching on our rights daily, why would anyone do this to themselves? Don't get me wrong: I'm not suggesting that people should SBR their pistols illegally. I'm curious as to why anyone would intentionally place themselves on the government's radar just to have an SBR or AOW. A valid question. In this day and age, it makes little sense to be the peg that sticks up, especially if you enjoy a hobby that is controversial and becomijg more and more of a target by the politically correct crowd every day. My response is that if you're looking to stay out of the crosshairs, you're far more likely to be singled out by what you say online, like in this forum. And having a facebook account seems to be a pretty poor idea these days as well. Many folks have been persecuted and prosecuted for things that have been posted on facebook lately. Clearly, that is a bigger risk than being on the BATFE's list of legal gun owners. And worst case scenario is that they come demanding the guns. So I hand them over. They represent only a small percentage of my collection so it's not the end of the world. And I see this as highly unlikely, as the BATFE are incredibly understaffed and there are tens of thousands of nfa items owners in the USA. Besides, being owned by a trust means any number of trustees could be using them at any given time, so they may not even be in my posession. And the BATFE has no information on the trustees other than a name, as it's not required to give the BATFE anything more than a name. No fingerprints, no picture, not even an address. If I wanted to make it hard for them, I could. And if evry nfa item owner did this, it would take them decades to round them all up. And for what purpose? NFA item owners are some of the most law abiding people in the country. I see a lot of things to be concerned about, but being a NFA item owner and being on a registration list ain't high up there. Az ^^Bingo have you ever seen our .gov work efficiently anyways? |
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