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Posted: 2/4/2010 8:50:15 PM
[Last Edit: 1/19/2013 10:45:21 AM by haLfLiFe]
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Weapon type: Semiautomatic AK-Type Pistol Condition: New w/Cosmoline Manufacturer: C.N. ROMARM S.A./CUGIR in Romania Importer: Century Arms International, Georgia, VT Caliber: 7.62x39mm Barrel length: 12.25" Chrome lined Weight: 5-1/2lbs Length: 21-1/2" Standard Capacity: 30 Rounds Finish: Black Matt Pistolgrip: Black plastic Furniture: Unfinished blond wood, Std AK type forend Barrel threading: 14x1LH Muzzle: Muzzle nut tac-welded in place - easily removed with Dremel. Trigger: Tapco G2 Supplied with: Cleaning rod, cleaning kit, 30-round magazine (Typical) 922(r) considerations: None. Imported as a pistol, this firearm does not have to comply with 922(r) - however, if converting to a SBR it may have to comply. Debatable. Vertical Foregrip legality: Requires ATF Form, as it becomes an AOW. Owner's Manual: Available here. Prices/Availability: See haLfLiFe's thread: AK Pistol Prices/Availability 
Romy Draco Champion 5.56x45 chambered version. Everything else is the same as the regular Draco. Prices/Availability: See haLfLiFe's thread: AK Pistol Prices/Availability 
Romy Draco "C" Comes w/ underfolder rear trunnion and dated surplus Romy parts Prices/Availability: See haLfLiFe's thread: AK Pistol Prices/Availability 
Yugo PAP M92PV Weapon type: Semiautomatic AK-Type Pistol Condition: New w/Cosmoline Manufacturer: Zastava Serbia Importer: Century Arms International, Georgia, VT Caliber: 7.62x39mm Barrel length: 10.25" Non Chrome Lined Overall Length: 19.75" Standard Capacity: 30 Rounds Finish: Black Matte Pistolgrip: Black plastic Furniture: Unfinished blond wood, LHG specific to the M92 Pistol Barrel threading: M26 x 1.5 LH Muzzle: Muzzle nut tac-welded in place - easily removed with Dremel. Trigger: Standard factory double hook Supplied with: Cleaning rod, (2) 30-round magazines Prices/Availability: See haLfLiFe's thread: AK Pistol Prices/Availability Has a hinged top receiver cover with Krinkov rear sight, standard front sight with auxiliary flip up white dot, safety selector bolt hold open and upper hand guard/gas tube is held in by a sliding pin for easy removal. 
Yugo PAP M85PV Weapon type: Semiautomatic AK-Type Pistol Condition: New w/Cosmoline Manufacturer: Zastava Serbia Importer: Century Arms International, Georgia, VT Caliber: 5.56x45 Barrel length: 10.25" Chrome Lined Overall Length: 19.75" Standard Capacity: 30 Rounds Finish: Black Matte Pistolgrip: Black plastic Furniture: Unfinished blond wood, LHG specific to the M92 Pistol Barrel threading: M26 x 1.5 LH Muzzle: Muzzle nut tac-welded in place - easily removed with Dremel. Trigger: Standard factory double hook Supplied with: Cleaning rod, (2) 30-round magazines Prices/Availability: See haLfLiFe's thread: AK Pistol Prices/Availability Has a hinged top receiver cover with Krinkov rear sight, standard front sight with auxiliary flip up white dot, safety selector bolt hold open and upper hand guard/gas tube is held in by a sliding pin for easy removal. 
Bulgarian SAM7K Caliber: 7.62x39 Barrel Length: 267 mm (10.5 in.) Total Length: 506mm (20in) Twist Rate: 1 in 240 mm Weight without Magazine: (8 lbs.) Muzzle Velocity: (2,329 fps) Effective Range: (547 yds) Maximum Effective Range: (1,480 yds) Rear Sight Range: (547 yds) Prices/Availability: See haLfLiFe's thread: AK Pistol Prices/Availability 
Bulgarian SLR106U-47 Caliber: 5.56 x 45 mm (.223) Barrel Length: 415 mm (10 1/4 in.) Rifling: 6 grooves Twist Rate: 1 in 178 mm (7 in.) Weight without Magazine: (5.5 lbs.) Muzzle Velocity: (2,985 fps) Effective Range: (550 yds) Maximum Range: (1,480 yds) Rear Sight Range: (547 yds) Prices/Availability: See haLfLiFe's thread: AK Pistol Prices/Availability 
Inter Ordnance Hellpup Made in USA AK47 pistol w/ factory lifetime warranty. Features lower picatinny rail poly handguard, Phantom flash hider and military grade finish. Prices/Availability: See haLfLiFe's thread: AK Pistol Prices/Availability 
Centurion 39 Sporter Made in USA by Century Arms. Milled receiver, bird cage flash hider, black synthetic finger groove pistol grip, black synthetic upper/lower handguards wtih 4 picatinny rails. Prices/Availability: See haLfLiFe's thread: AK Pistol Prices/Availability 
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Posted: 2/4/2010 9:23:54 PM
How about the 223 Dracos? Before I built my AK pistol I was going to get one when they were cheap and then they all disappeared and I was forced to make my own (granted I probably could have found one, I just liked the idea of making mine custom and being able to have a shorter barrel). Any specs on the Draco 223s? As far as 922r that only applies to assault rifles. Pistols are not regulated by it (but I'm sure some one will come and argue with me on that as seems to be the case else where).
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Posted: 2/4/2010 9:26:37 PM
[Last Edit: 2/4/2010 9:29:07 PM by Hedonist]
^^ The owner's manual refers to .223 Dracos, but I have not seen any.
I might suggest contacting Century to see if they are producing and if your local dealer can get you one. As this is the AK Pistol forum, I'm limiting the specs to the 7.62x39 model, although Century's manual refers to 7.62, .22LR, and .223 calibers. |
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Posted: 2/5/2010 9:54:11 AM
Like I said, I probably could get one but building one was more fun. I have a 223 Yugo M90A and may build a pistol in that caliber along with the 5.45x39. Unless you make this an AK-47 only forum the 223 caliber is still an AK (it is in fact in the AK-74 class) so excluding it is not really fair. But it's up to you.
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Posted: 2/6/2010 8:15:15 AM
The manual posted here states that the Drako is a surplus weapon firearm. What does that mean exactly???
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Posted: 2/6/2010 10:49:39 AM
It means it was based off of Surplus Romanian parts kits to complete the pistol.
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Posted: 2/7/2010 2:57:23 PM
[Last Edit: 2/7/2010 2:57:42 PM by Quiet_Wolf]
Originally Posted By haLfLiFe:
It means it was based off of Surplus Romanian parts kits to complete the pistol. Actually, they are not parts kits guns. The Romanian military and police used them, but their's had a forward vertical grip, underfolding stocks and are select-fire. Pic from the 1989 Romanian Revolution  |
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Posted: 2/8/2010 1:32:33 AM
[Last Edit: 2/8/2010 1:55:45 AM by haLfLiFe]
Originally Posted By Quiet_Wolf:
Originally Posted By haLfLiFe:
It means it was based off of Surplus Romanian parts kits to complete the pistol. Actually, they are not parts kits guns. If they are not parts kits I would like to see some documentation of it. Because if they are coming as like new condition then they were either re-arsenaled or built off of surplus parts. The Romanian military and police used them, but their's had a forward vertical grip, underfolding stocks and are select-fire. You summed it up right there, the police used them and they were select fire with different furniture etc. You don't think these were actual pistols used by the police or military and then modified to be sold to the American market do you  If they were built off of excess pre-used military/police parts (parts kits) then they would be considered surplus.
Pic from the 1989 Romanian Revolution http://hulubei.net/tudor/photography/photos/R/o/Romanian-Revolution-091-760x485.jpg |
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Posted: 2/15/2010 4:35:09 AM
My Japanese AK book shows them as available both with a left sidefolding wire stock much like a Hungarian AMD and forward swept wooden front verticle grip and also with just a sling loop on the rear trunion just as many here put on their ak pistol builds. They were both chambered in 7.62x39mm. That did it for me ...I ordered one immediatly upon seeing the pictures as just a pistol with forward swept wooden verticle pistol grip. I will probably cave and SBR it in the future just to have the foregrip ...looks great!!!!!
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Posted: 2/21/2010 1:47:20 PM
Question????? Does the Draco have Tapco's retainer plate? I know it has their G2 trigger. Is the trigger a single stage or the double stage one?
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Posted: 2/21/2010 2:00:59 PM
Originally Posted By tWillis:
Question????? Does the Draco have Tapco's retainer plate? I know it has their G2 trigger. Is the trigger a single stage or the double stage one? Thanks t..... I had to add a retainer plate to mine. It just had a normal shepards crook in it when I got it. |
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Posted: 2/21/2010 2:16:25 PM
Thanks for the update. I'll add one to my to buy list.
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Posted: 3/24/2010 1:25:58 PM
What is this retainer plate, shepherds hook you speak of???? I'm an AK rookie??? it the shpherds hook the little springy on the safety lever end??
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Posted: 3/24/2010 1:39:51 PM
Originally Posted By swatbwana: What is this retainer plate, shepherds hook you speak of???? I'm an AK rookie??? it the shpherds hook the little springy on the safety lever end?? Yes, holds trigger pin in place. Difficult to remove and reinsert without damaging it - the retainer plate is a simple solution to unnecessary aggravation. If you never take your fire control parts out of the gun it's generally a non issue - but if you wish to clean/maintain that area a retainer plate is very convenient. |
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Posted: 3/24/2010 6:21:33 PM
The one that was in my Draco seemed to be an abbreviated one (not like the one in my Saigas) and was easy to get back in.
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Posted: 4/21/2010 10:17:08 AM
I work in a gun shop in Lafayette Louisiana and yesterday we got a new shipment of Dracos in. The interesting part was, the pistol grips are now red bakelite! Thought this was an interesting developement from Century. Anyone else seen this yet?
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Posted: 4/21/2010 2:04:07 PM
That is interesting but I bet they grab whatever is available at the time of the build. I purchased one to complement the Russian Red stain I plan on putting on the O.E. wood that came with my Draco. I'll have a set of evil black furniture and a set of red furniture for two different looks.
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Posted: 5/4/2010 9:37:20 PM
Originally Posted By SovietShooter:
I work in a gun shop in Lafayette Louisiana and yesterday we got a new shipment of Dracos in. The interesting part was, the pistol grips are now red bakelite! Thought this was an interesting developement from Century. Anyone else seen this yet? Mine has the same grip. |
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Posted: 6/30/2010 3:46:57 PM
[Last Edit: 6/30/2010 3:47:47 PM by H2O_MAN]
Draco owners,
Regarding your personal Draco pistol, what is your overall impression of the fit, finish and performance? Is there any trigger slap? I am considering picking one up and want to know how owners feel about them. You can IM or email me if you wish. Thank you 
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Posted: 7/1/2010 8:00:04 PM
Originally Posted By H2O_MAN:
Draco owners, Regarding your personal Draco pistol, what is your overall impression of the fit, finish and performance?fit/finish=not bad, not great either, performance is outstanding Is there any trigger slap?none I am considering picking one up and want to know how owners feel about them. You can IM or email me if you wish. I love mine. I added a Primary Weapons Systems FSC47, Hogue PG, and VM Sling Plate Thank you You are welcome
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Posted: 8/31/2010 7:08:33 PM
Are there any specifications related to model numbers, etc. For example how does a Draco 80 differ from the current model Draco C?
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Posted: 8/31/2010 8:31:46 PM
Originally Posted By Martini: Are there any specifications related to model numbers, etc. For example how does a Draco 80 differ from the current model Draco C? Excellent question. This topic was created with version 1.0 - anyone with input to newer releases are encouraged to update info for the newer models. |
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Posted: 11/29/2010 9:40:56 PM
How can you tell if you have the 80, or the C
Where my numbers are has DR-9281-10 RO Whats the difference? |
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Posted: 7/3/2011 4:50:20 PM
Re-titled to encourage "C" owners, and Mini owners to provide specs and answer FAQs. When this thread was started there was only THE Draco - now there are 3 to choose from.
Hopefully new folks will stop in here and have info on all the models in one tacked location. So if you own a "C" or mini - spec it out here please. |
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Posted: 7/4/2011 8:44:08 PM
"C" Model:
Surplus Parts; under folder trunnion cut and ready for under folder kit. Comes with laminated lower hand guard, bakelite PG and will have a "C" marked on the side of the receiver next to the year of manf (ex: 1968). Trigger from the ones I have seen and heard of are not Tapco but rather factory due to no markings and heavy grind marks that some have. Does not come w/ cleaning rod and has 11.5" barrel just like the Non-C; barrel lenghts have shown to be different on many dracos that are measured but the majority we have seen have been 11.5". Non-C: Uncut under folder trunnion and from many discussions the pistols appear to be of new production and not surplus parts. The first production runs came w/ cleaning rods but later models did not have them; Classic Arms currently has reproductions for the Draco pistols. They come with standard Romy hand guards, black plastic PG, 11.5" barrel and a Tapco G2 trigger. Mini Draco: 7.5 inch barrel, comes with a black plastic PG and custom lower hand guard which is held in by a bolt screwed into the front sight base; there is no upper HG. New production and we have not had a talk about who has what triggers but my Mini has a factory trigger. There is a difference in measurements on the rear sight compared to the "C" and Non-C. I believe the trunnion is an uncut under folder but there would have to be mods made to fit an under folder kit due to the plastic buffer that keeps the piston from coming out of the rear sight base. All measurements are samples taken from folks on our pistol forum and thus there will be differences in measurements. |
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Posted: 12/23/2011 6:00:53 PM
My mini is a real chest thumper! The trigger is great, forearm is unfinished, finish and fit are decent. I installed a Vortex flash hider (helped some), drilled the rear end and installed a QD sling point and added GG&G's QD sling swivel for a single point sling (different configuration than most), XS Big Dot front sight, and Parabellum Armament's AK Adaptive Rail system, plopped a Vortex SPARC on it, reshaped the handguard so the front end acts as a hand stop and fitted a heat shield from an old plastic AK handguard. I plan on hack sawing the top off the front sight leaving enough ear to protect the front sight. I'm having so much fun with the SPARC, I'm in no hurry. I would also like to cover the gas tube but will wait and see about railed hanguards. The gun runs great!
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