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Posted: 6/24/2012 10:28:18 AM
[Last Edit: 6/24/2012 10:41:53 AM by poorman]
I doubt the trunnion is Romanian, as that would have been installed in Poland as part of the barreled receiver. Why would a Polish company import a Romanian trunnion when they are made right there? Also, most Polish parts have a two digit code on them, and my trunnion has that(as did the Polish parts kit I had). Here are some photos of my trunnion, it appears that the part with the serial number has been machined, that makes sense if they were using surplus trunnions and needed to put a new serial number on it. The other photo is from an NOS Polish bolt carrier, see the two digit number.
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Posted: 6/24/2012 11:59:56 AM
Sorry, you are correct. I was thinking of the rear sight block.
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Posted: 6/24/2012 2:55:07 PM
The rear sight block is definitely Romanian.
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Posted: 6/24/2012 3:31:11 PM
Originally Posted By poorman:
I doubt the trunnion is Romanian, as that would have been installed in Poland as part of the barreled receiver. Why would a Polish company import a Romanian trunnion when they are made right there? That makes the most sense to me. So the receiver, barrel, AND trunnion are Polish made. You would think having a Polish bolt and carrier all headspaced would be easier than trying to head space Romanian parts in a already barreled receiver. so much  going on with these.
Just for fun I priced out all NEW Polish parts to finish out this rifle, excluding furniture and fire control and came out to $275 and that is at US market place prices so an Importer would be much less. And even more of a discount for buying a complete rifle then changing what you need for US compliance and open the magwell. There must be more to this importing business than I am awake of because it seems like it would be so easy to get a Polish rifle here like they do with the WASR. |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 4:30:15 PM
I'm not convinced my bolt and carrier are Romanian though. The carrier seems to be better machined than the one i have in a Romanian rifle. I'm no expert though. I was hoping someone else would chime in that had more experience identifying parts.
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Posted: 6/24/2012 6:51:58 PM
[Last Edit: 6/24/2012 6:54:24 PM by ratfink57]
Originally Posted By Crsswift70:
I'm not convinced my bolt and carrier are Romanian though. The carrier seems to be better machined than the one i have in a Romanian rifle. I'm no expert though. I was hoping someone else would chime in that had more experience identifying parts. I think poorman's is. My Romanian RPK carrier looks eerily similar to his. 
This is an older style Romanian, the later G series parts are much rougher in machine quality than the earlier parts. Nether the G or older Romanian carriers have the # stamped on the underside. This one is Polish and it also has the #37 underneath. Another Polish carrier I checked had a #51 stamped it the same spot. 
All my statements here are based on what parts I have to compare and my own assumptions. |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 7:51:20 PM
[Last Edit: 6/24/2012 7:51:57 PM by donjose]
Well all polish would have been a plus but again look at the price point for the rifle.
I have run 250rd through mine so far with those nice combat mag's it came with. 
She runs like a sewing machine !!! Best Polemanian gun around... I would how ever be carefull with the grip, mine was like grabbing a razor blade, a little pass with the dremel and all is well... Jason |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 7:59:15 PM
Yes, I can't wait to get mine to the range. I plan to replace the grip ASAP.
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Posted: 6/25/2012 9:41:47 AM
...And people used to call the Chinese AK's junk.
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Posted: 6/25/2012 9:54:23 AM
Originally Posted By insider:
...And people used to call the Chinese AK's junk. The rifle is not junk, just not what was advertised  I don't know why people have such a hard on for Chinese AK's now, back in the day they were considered the crap AK.
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Posted: 6/25/2012 1:43:42 PM
Originally Posted By poorman:
Originally Posted By insider:
...And people used to call the Chinese AK's junk. The rifle is not junk, just not what was advertised I don't know why people have such a hard on for Chinese AK's now, back in the day they were considered the crap AK.
Umm... because people realized that people who considered them crap just because they were inexpensive were idiots |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 4:00:14 PM
Same with the Romanians now, cheap, and called crap. But, can be made very nice.
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Posted: 6/25/2012 4:38:05 PM
Originally Posted By 35mm_Shooter:
Originally Posted By poorman:
Originally Posted By insider:
...And people used to call the Chinese AK's junk. The rifle is not junk, just not what was advertised I don't know why people have such a hard on for Chinese AK's now, back in the day they were considered the crap AK.
Umm... because people realized that people who considered them crap just because they were inexpensive were idiots When I picked up my preban Norinco 56S-1 in around 1993, which I still have, the guy I got it from said it was not worth much because Chinese AKs were crap and because "some idiot had polished the bolt carrier." He knew so little about it that he was unaware that they came with "in the white" bolt carriers, not blued. He hated this Chinese rifle so much he tried to talk me out of buying it. Looking back, he was an idiot. |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 4:52:16 PM
[Last Edit: 6/25/2012 4:54:31 PM by JohnMeridith]
does everyone elses dust cover look totally from the receiver? I still have to get it home and pull it apart to give it a closer look.
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Posted: 6/25/2012 6:31:42 PM
Originally Posted By Dferg10:
Originally Posted By 35mm_Shooter:
Originally Posted By poorman:
Originally Posted By insider:
...And people used to call the Chinese AK's junk. The rifle is not junk, just not what was advertised I don't know why people have such a hard on for Chinese AK's now, back in the day they were considered the crap AK.
Umm... because people realized that people who considered them crap just because they were inexpensive were idiots When I picked up my preban Norinco 56S-1 in around 1993, which I still have, the guy I got it from said it was not worth much because Chinese AKs were crap and because "some idiot had polished the bolt carrier." He knew so little about it that he was unaware that they came with "in the white" bolt carriers, not blued. He hated this Chinese rifle so much he tried to talk me out of buying it. Looking back, he was an idiot. Chinese rifles are not bad, they do everything an AK is supposed to. The Legends are another creature altogether, made to a higher standard. A base Norinco AK is a base AK, kind of like the Romanians. The legends I would put up there with Valmet M62's. |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 9:25:24 PM
Want Polish, as in underfolder?
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114424 |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 10:57:53 AM
This letter from Classic Arms was posted on the Ak files Site by a Files member. It supposedly comes directly from Classics Site.
For your review. http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114739 |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 11:36:12 AM
That is on the Classic Firearms web site. The trunnions are Polish.
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Posted: 6/27/2012 1:04:03 PM
[Last Edit: 6/27/2012 1:49:29 PM by sdrake100]
Besides the fact that they keep saying it was built in the "famous Radom factory," (which it was not) it seems like they finally let the cat out of the bag. I'm not sure how they didn't know that the parts weren't matching or that Romanian parts were being used.
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Posted: 6/27/2012 1:38:49 PM
I have sent an email to Classic Arms to confirm or deny if the barreled receivers were made in the FB factory.
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Posted: 6/27/2012 1:51:30 PM
[Last Edit: 6/27/2012 1:57:17 PM by sdrake100]
Originally Posted By poorman:
I have sent an email to Classic Arms to confirm or deny if the barreled receivers were made in the FB factory. I spoke with an associate in Poland and they are two separate factories. In fact, Pioneer Arms and FB are completely different entities. Pioneer Arms builds sporting firearms while FB produces military grade firearms without compromising on quality. If it says Pioneer Arms on the receiver, it didn't come from FB, nor would they ever allow something like this to come out of their factory. |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 2:26:01 PM
Originally Posted By sdrake100:
Originally Posted By poorman:
I have sent an email to Classic Arms to confirm or deny if the barreled receivers were made in the FB factory. I spoke with an associate in Poland and they are two separate factories. In fact, Pioneer Arms and FB are completely different entities. Pioneer Arms builds sporting firearms while FB produces military grade firearms without compromising on quality. If it says Pioneer Arms on the receiver, it didn't come from FB, nor would they ever allow something like this to come out of their factory. I am well aware that Pioneer Arms is not FB, BUT, I read somewhere that Pioneer had contracted FB to make the barreled receivers for them. Which is not beyond the realm of possiblity. That is why I contacted Classic. The receiver on my rifle looks identical to the receivers made by FB. I have friends in Russia, that does not make me an expert on Tula arms 
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Posted: 6/27/2012 3:43:52 PM
[Last Edit: 6/27/2012 3:50:26 PM by sdrake100]
Originally Posted By poorman:
Originally Posted By sdrake100:
Originally Posted By poorman:
I have sent an email to Classic Arms to confirm or deny if the barreled receivers were made in the FB factory. I spoke with an associate in Poland and they are two separate factories. In fact, Pioneer Arms and FB are completely different entities. Pioneer Arms builds sporting firearms while FB produces military grade firearms without compromising on quality. If it says Pioneer Arms on the receiver, it didn't come from FB, nor would they ever allow something like this to come out of their factory. I am well aware that Pioneer Arms is not FB, BUT, I read somewhere that Pioneer had contracted FB to make the barreled receivers for them. Which is not beyond the realm of possiblity. That is why I contacted Classic. The receiver on my rifle looks identical to the receivers made by FB. I have friends in Russia, that does not make me an expert on Tula arms
Link? This statement does not relate to what I said. |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 4:38:37 PM
Originally Posted By sdrake100:
Originally Posted By poorman:
Originally Posted By sdrake100:
Originally Posted By poorman:
I have sent an email to Classic Arms to confirm or deny if the barreled receivers were made in the FB factory. I spoke with an associate in Poland and they are two separate factories. In fact, Pioneer Arms and FB are completely different entities. Pioneer Arms builds sporting firearms while FB produces military grade firearms without compromising on quality. If it says Pioneer Arms on the receiver, it didn't come from FB, nor would they ever allow something like this to come out of their factory. I am well aware that Pioneer Arms is not FB, BUT, I read somewhere that Pioneer had contracted FB to make the barreled receivers for them. Which is not beyond the realm of possiblity. That is why I contacted Classic. The receiver on my rifle looks identical to the receivers made by FB. I have friends in Russia, that does not make me an expert on Tula arms
Link? This statement does not relate to what I said. Checking on that with IO directly, I can't remember where I read that. The second part, I was just busting your chops, don't take yourself so seriously 
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Posted: 6/27/2012 4:51:16 PM
Originally Posted By poorman:
Checking on that with IO directly, And you will have same quality of answer like "Archer muzzle brake is newest Polish Army design"? 
I will ask at FB about those Pioneer receivers, but it will not be this week. Maybe next. BTW Pioneer is located in same spot as FB, they are like 200 yards apart one from the other. Both use old buildings of what once was "Łucznik" (oval "11"). |
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