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Posted: 6/27/2014 11:15:28 AM EDT

Not sure if this has been posted here before, but I found this video of a SKS M at Knob Creek from a few years back. I was surprised by the cyclic rate. It appears to be much faster than any of the AKs I've shot and more comparable to a M16. It's got me wondering why these weren't implemented by the Soviets as a SAW type weapon since it uses AK mags.

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Posted: 6/27/2014 11:37:31 AM EDT

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"It's got me wondering why these weren't implemented by the Soviets as a SAW type weapon since it uses AK mags."

1. Because no military variation of the Siminov in Russia or any other country utilized AK mags

2. Because it would be horrible as a SAW with a light barrel and standard stock

3. Because logistically it makes more sense to used the RPK since it is the same weapon system as the standard AKs and is parts compatible with training overlap.

4. Because the RPD takes the same cartridge, is belt fed and does the job as an SKS could never do

5. Because existing weapons platforms already outperform what it could do (see #3 and #4)

6. Because a full auto SKS trying to be a SAW is just asinine.

Posted: 6/27/2014 12:04:06 PM EDT

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Easy there Hoss. Maybe I should clarify a bit. In the early 50s the combloc countries had large numbers of SKS carbines in their arsenals and the RPK wasn't around yet. It seems to me like it would be cheaper to use a modified version of the sks as a squad support weapon if they were able to put 2 and 2 together modifying the sks to take ak mags rather than designing a whole new weapon. I'm not suggesting that this is somehow comparable to the 240 or 249, maybe just an early attempt at a support weapon with commonality of ammo and magazines early on post WWII.

It looks like a bigger and more powerful version of the PPSH the more I look at it, granted it's not nearly as compact and probably heavier.

Posted: 6/27/2014 1:25:17 PM EDT

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Posted: 6/29/2014 11:30:25 PM EDT

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Easy there Hoss. Maybe I should clarify a bit. In the early 50s the combloc countries had large numbers of SKS carbines in their arsenals and the RPK wasn't around yet. It seems to me like it would be cheaper to use a modified version of the sks as a squad support weapon if they were able to put 2 and 2 together modifying the sks to take ak mags rather than designing a whole new weapon. I'm not suggesting that this is somehow comparable to the 240 or 249, maybe just an early attempt at a support weapon with commonality of ammo and magazines early on post WWII.

It looks like a bigger and more powerful version of the PPSH the more I look at it, granted it's not nearly as compact and probably heavier.

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Re-tooling the SKS production line would not be cheaper than just putting a heavier barrel and stock on an existing weapon using existing tooling.
Especially since it doesnt have a pistol-grip or straight line stock layout.

Posted: 7/7/2014 1:31:48 AM EDT

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Not sure if this has been posted here before, but I found this video of a SKS M at Knob Creek from a few years back. I was surprised by the cyclic rate. It appears to be much faster than any of the AKs I've shot and more comparable to a M16. It's got me wondering why these weren't implemented by the Soviets as a SAW type weapon since it uses AK mags.

Discuss.

http://youtu.be/nuV1X28m28A

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Posted: 7/19/2014 12:06:56 AM EDT

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The reason is simple. The RPD was fielded around the same time as the SKS was in WWII.

Posted: 7/19/2014 3:42:07 AM EDT

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Why do people have to keep trying to make the SKS into something it is not? The SKS is a riflemans rifle.

Posted: 7/19/2014 10:51:53 AM EDT

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Why do people have to keep trying to make the SKS into something it is not? The SKS is a riflemans rifle.

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People do it because they own it and can do with them as they see fit. It's like the kids that lower their Hondas and put glass packs on them. All in the eye of the beholder. Now I agree that SKS's should be left alone, but that's my opinion. However, the SKS being "a riflemans rifle" I'll argue that topic all day.

Posted: 7/19/2014 12:40:22 PM EDT

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Why do people have to keep trying to make the SKS into something it is not? The SKS is a riflemans rifle.

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I feel the same way about people that put rails on the AK

The AK is so popular because it is rugged, simple, reliable, and CHEAP. Why try and make it an AR15?

BECAUSE MURIKA that's why!

ETA: my only complaint is that the shooter in the video didn't have a huge shit eating grin on his face after shooting such full auto HOTTNESS!

Posted: 7/19/2014 2:09:35 PM EDT

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Ok, let's get this straight. I'm just as much of a purist as everyone else here. I'm not trying to make my SKS into something it's not. In my first post I stated that I found an interesting video and posed a question about why the Soviets didn't explore a select fire version of the SKS. I'm just as much of a tapco hater as the rest of you and I have AKs and ARs already. The SKS as a rifleman's rifle is debatable, it has decent accuracy for a Soviet design but it doesn't compare much to the Garand.

I picked up another SKS yesterday and I'll add it to the sticky later. Nothing special, just a Commercial Norinco Type 56 spiker arsenal [0144].

Posted: 7/19/2014 2:29:40 PM EDT

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People do it because they own it and can do with them as they see fit. It's like the kids that lower their Hondas and put glass packs on them. All in the eye of the beholder. Now I agree that SKS's should be left alone, but that's my opinion. However, the SKS being "a riflemans rifle" I'll argue that topic all day.
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Why do people have to keep trying to make the SKS into something it is not? The SKS is a riflemans rifle.

People do it because they own it and can do with them as they see fit. It's like the kids that lower their Hondas and put glass packs on them. All in the eye of the beholder. Now I agree that SKS's should be left alone, but that's my opinion. However, the SKS being "a riflemans rifle" I'll argue that topic all day.
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The SKS reminds me a lot of the M1 Garand, standard stock, fixed mag, ect. Just in a milder caliber. It is close to being a battle rifle, but in a smaller cartridge.

Posted: 7/19/2014 5:41:05 PM EDT

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Ok, let's get this straight. I'm just as much of a purist as everyone else here. I'm not trying to make my SKS into something it's not. In my first post I stated that I found an interesting video and posed a question about why the Soviets didn't explore a select fire version of the SKS. I'm just as much of a tapco hater as the rest of you and I have AKs and ARs already. The SKS as a rifleman's rifle is debatable, it has decent accuracy for a Soviet design but it doesn't compare much to the Garand.

I picked up another SKS yesterday and I'll add it to the sticky later. Nothing special, just a Commercial Norinco Type 56 spiker arsenal [0144].

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I'm sure they did as they did explore a DMR/Sniper variant. Why they did go with a select fire SKS as a SAW was because they already had the RPD. Why not go with a select fire detachable mag variant as a battle rifle. Who knows (political, doctrine, set in their ways, couldn't make it work well enough)? Hell, why didn't they go with a detachable mag for the Garand.

Posted: 7/27/2014 10:21:12 PM EDT

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SKS was never full auto and was never intended to be. It would be hazardous to your health to try and make one...

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