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Posted: 6/3/2012 6:45:11 AM

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I have an '86 Tula AKS-74U Kit.
Rifle Dynamics is going to build it.
Rifle Dynamics Barrel: 1/8 twist SBR
Since these kits are getting to be pretty rare, I'm leaning towards building this historically correct... wood hand guards, grip from kit, semi-gloss black.
I don't really care to be 100% historically correct, but I'm going to keep it close.

Questions:
#1: RD recommends to get the receiver from 74ULLC because it is better then Nodak. What makes them better? Is it just that they are more historically correct? Is it worth spending twice as much?

#2: Is their any added value to building it 100% historically correct? I never plan on selling it, but ya never know.

#3a: Why do people put the full auto marking on a semi-auto rifle? My view is that if it isn't auto, it seems kinda "tacticool" to put the full auto marks.
#3b: If I do go with the original markings, will it shoot semi-auto in both of the fire positions, or does the lever have to be all the way down?

When obtaining the receiver, I am going to register it as myself as the builder.
#4a: SBR Markings: I live in "Kansas City," but my home mailing address is Olathe, KS. Do I have to put Olathe, Kansas or can I put Kansas City, KS or Johnson County, KS or something else?
#4b. Can Kansas be abbreviated to KS?
#4c: On 74ULLC's order form, are the number of character boxes the limit? If so, my first and last name will have to go on different lines(yes, I'm registering to myself and not a trust).

#5: CLEO sign-off: Do I go to my local city(Olathe) or to my county Sheriff? Does it have to be THE Sheriff, or can someone under him sign it?

#6: Serial number: If I choose my own serial (probably the kit's serial plus something personal added on), do you think it is safe to send in my Form 1 even before I physically have my receiver? It could save me a couple months.

#7: Can I have my receiver sent directly to Rifle Dynamics, or does it have to get registered locally to me first, then I send to them?

THANK YOU for your help and advice!
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Posted: 6/3/2012 9:58:43 AM
Originally Posted By Hutch98R1:
I have an '86 Tula AKS-74U Kit.
Rifle Dynamics is going to build it.
Rifle Dynamics Barrel: 1/8 twist SBR
Since these kits are getting to be pretty rare, I'm leaning towards building this historically correct... wood hand guards, grip from kit, semi-gloss black.
I don't really care to be 100% historically correct, but I'm going to keep it close.

Questions:
#1: RD recommends to get the receiver from 74ULLC because it is better then Nodak. What makes them better? Is it just that they are more historically correct? Is it worth spending twice as much?
#1: The 74U LLC receiver is only "better" in the sense that it's scary accurate to an original receiver. The NoDak will work, but you'll have to put some more work into it like selector dimples and selector characters. In the end, it's entirely up to you if you feel the extra expense is worth it, but you're already spending over $700 on a kit and a couple hundred extra for a top builder to put it together for you, so the extra $100 isn't really that large of an investment.

#2: Is their any added value to building it 100% historically correct? I never plan on selling it, but ya never know.
#2: Yes, in the sense that you can justify selling it for a higher price since a higher degree of detail of put into it. Even if you never sell it you would have the satisfaction knowing you put your all into it.

#3a: Why do people put the full auto marking on a semi-auto rifle? My view is that if it isn't auto, it seems kinda "tacticool" to put the full auto marks.
#3a: This can depend solely on the individual. Some put them there because they are historically accurate to the rifle they're building. Some just think they look cool. And some it's a combination of both. Since it won't cost you any extra with the 74U LLC receiver it's a nice feature to have that will increase its value.

#3b: If I do go with the original markings, will it shoot semi-auto in both of the fire positions, or does the lever have to be all the way down?
#3b: Yes, even in the "auto" position the rifle will fire in semi-automatic only.

When obtaining the receiver, I am going to register it as myself as the builder.
#4a: SBR Markings: I live in "Kansas City," but my home mailing address is Olathe, KS. Do I have to put Olathe, Kansas or can I put Kansas City, KS or Johnson County, KS or something else?
#4a: Don't have an answer for you on that one.

#4b: Can Kansas be abbreviated to KS?
#4b: Yes, state abbreviations are the only allowed abbreviations for NFA markings.

#4c: On 74ULLC's order form, are the number of character boxes the limit? If so, my first and last name will have to go on different lines(yes, I'm registering to myself and not a trust).
#4c: Yes, the boxes shown on the form is the limit that his engraver is setup for.

#5: CLEO sign-off: Do I go to my local city(Olathe) or to my county Sheriff? Does it have to be THE Sheriff, or can someone under him sign it?
#5: Typically it's THE Sheriff that signs off since the county is above the city in the hierarchy. Sometimes the Sheriff will assign an authorized person to sign off on NFA paperwork, but most of the time the Sheriff himself has to do it.

#6: Serial number: If I choose my own serial (probably the kit's serial plus something personal added on), do you think it is safe to send in my Form 1 even before I physically have my receiver? It could save me a couple months.
#6: It's probably safe (especially if you add something unique), but I would just wait to make sure that I had that exact serial number before sending off my forms. You're going to find that in NFA game patience is the highest of all virtues.

#7: Can I have my receiver sent directly to Rifle Dynamics, or does it have to get registered locally to me first, then I send to them?
#7: I'm fairly certain that it needs to be sent to you first so you can fill out the 4473. But I may be mistaken.

THANK YOU for your help and advice!


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Posted: 6/3/2012 10:26:48 AM
Thank you!
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Posted: 6/4/2012 7:32:47 AM
As for the CLEO, it's the chief law enforcement officer in the city in which the weapon will reside. I had my two SBRs signed off by my city's chief of police and the ATF didn't have a problem with either of them.
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Posted: 6/4/2012 9:41:16 AM
Originally Posted By Icopy:
As for the CLEO, it's the chief law enforcement officer in the city in which the weapon will reside. I had my two SBRs signed off by my city's chief of police and the ATF didn't have a problem with either of them.


Good to know. I guess since the Sheriff is right down the road from me I go through him even though I'm technically in the city.
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Posted: 6/4/2012 2:30:03 PM
I've always done the county Sheriff.....
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Posted: 6/4/2012 3:55:35 PM
You all do realize that very soon you will NOT need any CLEO signoff for an F1.
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Posted: 6/4/2012 7:56:12 PM
Originally Posted By ddnc:
You all do realize that very soon you will NOT need any CLEO signoff for an F1.


Please explain.
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Posted: 6/4/2012 9:31:55 PM

Originally Posted By ddnc:
You all do realize that very soon you will NOT need any CLEO signoff for an F1.

when the rule actually goes into effect, I will believe it, until then.....
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Posted: 6/4/2012 9:51:03 PM
It has already been approved by ATF and DOJ and projected to go into effect by years end. Go to the NFATCA website for more info. Does not really affect me as all my NFA items are filed under a trust, one prepared by a firearms attorney.
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Posted: 6/4/2012 11:34:18 PM
[Last Edit: 6/4/2012 11:34:58 PM by dskeet]
The receiver needs to be sent to your dealer and transferred to you before you send it off to RD.
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Posted: 6/5/2012 12:34:11 AM
Originally Posted By dskeet:
The receiver needs to be sent to your dealer and transferred to you before you send it off to RD.


Thank you. Does he have to ship it, or can I?

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Posted: 6/5/2012 8:42:20 AM

Originally Posted By ddnc:
It has already been approved by ATF and DOJ and projected to go into effect by years end. Go to the NFATCA website for more info. Does not really affect me as all my NFA items are filed under a trust, one prepared by a firearms attorney.

understood, but until it actually goes into effect I'm not holding my breath. The ATF never does anything the same way twice, except take your $. When it becomes their SOP, I will be a believer.
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:16:07 PM
Originally Posted By Hutch98R1:
I have an '86 Tula AKS-74U Kit.
Rifle Dynamics is going to build it.
Rifle Dynamics Barrel: 1/8 twist SBR
Since these kits are getting to be pretty rare, I'm leaning towards building this historically correct... wood hand guards, grip from kit, semi-gloss black.
I don't really care to be 100% historically correct, but I'm going to keep it close.

Questions:
#1: RD recommends to get the receiver from 74ULLC because it is better then Nodak. What makes them better? Is it just that they are more historically correct? Is it worth spending twice as much?

#2: Is their any added value to building it 100% historically correct? I never plan on selling it, but ya never know.

#3a: Why do people put the full auto marking on a semi-auto rifle? My view is that if it isn't auto, it seems kinda "tacticool" to put the full auto marks.
#3b: If I do go with the original markings, will it shoot semi-auto in both of the fire positions, or does the lever have to be all the way down?

When obtaining the receiver, I am going to register it as myself as the builder.
#4a: SBR Markings: I live in "Kansas City," but my home mailing address is Olathe, KS. Do I have to put Olathe, Kansas or can I put Kansas City, KS or Johnson County, KS or something else?
#4b. Can Kansas be abbreviated to KS? Yes.
#4c: On 74ULLC's order form, are the number of character boxes the limit? If so, my first and last name will have to go on different lines(yes, I'm registering to myself and not a trust).

#5: CLEO sign-off: Do I go to my local city(Olathe) or to my county Sheriff? Does it have to be THE Sheriff, or can someone under him sign it? You can try the Olathe Chief of Police, or just go to the Jo Co Sheriff out at New Century Airport. You'll have to get fingerprinted and leave all your pre-completed paperwork and check to the ATF. He'll sign at his convenience and mail it all back to you. IM me if you have questions about this part.

#6: Serial number: If I choose my own serial (probably the kit's serial plus something personal added on), do you think it is safe to send in my Form 1 even before I physically have my receiver? It could save me a couple months. That's what I did, too.

#7: Can I have my receiver sent directly to Rifle Dynamics, or does it have to get registered locally to me first, then I send to them?

THANK YOU for your help and advice!


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