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GenghisKhan
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Posted: 1/9/2006 2:32:51 AM
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Several people have asked me how the Galil mags work in my Saiga and how to convert the mag but I had no picture and I admit the explanation was a bit confusing but since I got a digital camera at CHRISTmas and have been going cazy taking pictures I thought I would post the pics of what the mags look like converted and my Saiga.



This is the feedramp I made out of pipe from Home Depot.



As you can see what is nice about the mags is they are made for the .223 and hold 35rds.



This is all you have to do to the mag. Sand down the raised plastic at the front of the mag on each side in the same spot. Now I made my follower using these mags and went through one or two pieces of the big $2 pipe. OOOH expensive. I tried using the .223 feed ramp from KVAR but this one works a lot better for me. I hope this helps and answeres some questions for people.



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Posted: 1/11/2006 11:56:24 PM
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Posted: 1/12/2006 7:54:53 AM
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Posted: 1/12/2006 9:13:43 AM

Originally Posted By GenghisKhan:
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This is the follower I made out of pipe from Home Depot.



Now I made my follower using these mags and went through one or two pieces of the big $2 pipe. OOOH expensive. I tried using the .223 follower from KVAR but this one works a lot better for me.



By "follower" I assume you mean "feed ramp" or "bullet guide" rather than the part in the magazine on which the cartridges ride?

Still, great job!



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Posted: 1/12/2006 3:14:23 PM
Yes.
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Posted: 1/16/2006 3:12:58 AM
Have you fired many rnds with your clean set-up?
I just bought a .223 and I want a completely fuctional mod for the mag issue.
Please let us know how it worked out,looks like the best option if it works really well.
Thank You for posting,nice rifle,how do you like your ace stock?

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Posted: 1/17/2006 4:05:38 AM

Originally Posted By gaucho1:
Have you fired many rnds with your clean set-up?
I just bought a .223 and I want a completely fuctional mod for the mag issue.
Please let us know how it worked out,looks like the best option if it works really well.
Thank You for posting,nice rifle,how do you like your ace stock?





About 200rds no problems at all. The ACE stock is the best one out there in my opinion. I hate the standard AK type stock and would have left my Saiga with the rifle stock on it before I put on a munchkin AK stock. To each his own though. The ACE cost a little more but was well worth it to me. I also have about a hundred rounds through some converted 74 mags but the Galil mags are esier to convert for the Saiga and are nicer in my opinion.
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Posted: 1/23/2006 2:45:44 PM
I'm in the process of doing a conversion on my 223Rem Saiga. I've been able to use unaltered Galil 30rd (or 35rd?) magazines. As GenghisKhan pointed out, the plastic Galil magazines have to be altered to fit. Interestingly, the 50rd metal Galil mags won't work reliably in my Saiga because the mag catch tab is ever so slightly different. The unaltered Galil magazines are better for me because I already have plenty for my Galil. This way I have one type of magazing that works in two rifles.
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Posted: 1/24/2006 4:09:45 AM
Where did you get the metal 30rd Galil mags?
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Posted: 1/24/2006 9:04:47 AM

Originally Posted By GenghisKhan:
Where did you get the metal 30rd Galil mags?


I bought them years ago and can't remember. CDNN has 12rd metal mags for $10 each, not bad if you just want to give them a try. They also work a little better when shooting from the bench at the range.
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Posted: 1/24/2006 9:47:02 AM
Botach has metal Galil mags

DSA has them also.
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Posted: 1/25/2006 6:00:36 AM
Thanks.
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Posted: 1/25/2006 6:44:26 AM
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Posted: 1/25/2006 2:11:44 PM

Originally Posted By Bret:
I'm in the process of doing a conversion on my 223Rem Saiga. I've been able to use unaltered Galil 30rd (or 35rd?) magazines. As GenghisKhan pointed out, the plastic Galil magazines have to be altered to fit. Interestingly, the 50rd metal Galil mags won't work reliably in my Saiga because the mag catch tab is ever so slightly different. The unaltered Galil magazines are better for me because I already have plenty for my Galil. This way I have one type of magazing that works in two rifles.


Hi Bret
I have been haunting the Saiga sites and posts and the adapting of metal galil mags has
been talked about with only you having a real report.Did you install a bullet guide or in anyway
mod the rifle or mags?How many rnds. have you fired and how is the function.
Any details you can share are super helpful.
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Posted: 1/25/2006 10:19:09 PM
I'm in the process of doing the conversion. I have yet to install the feed ramp. Here are some pictures with the magazine installed.




I have functioned tested to see if the bolt would strip the cartridges and it worked. Because I don't have a feed ramp installed, the cartridges would not feed in to the chamber. The interesting thing is that the 30rd (or is it 35rd?) metal mags lock in perfectely like they were made for the rifle. The 12rd metal and 50rd metal mags lock in, but they can slip down at the back about 1.5mm. There is just an ever so slight difference in tolerances between the magazines somewhere, but I can't really tell where. 30rd Galil mags from a different lot or country may or may not work. I can't say. All I know is that these 30rd Galil mags that I have work.
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Posted: 1/25/2006 10:26:12 PM
Please let us know how it works out when you run a few rounds through your
conversion.
Thank You for the follow up,looks good.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 1:56:09 AM
I tried this conversion on one of the Gallil mags i have and it wont work correctly.
I trimmed the front sides of the mag to get it to fit and it latches in fine, but when
i try to get it to feed a round, the round just pushes off straight into the edge of the feed ramp.
This gun is 100% using Converted weiger and Bulgy mags, but is a total no go with the Gallils.

What i found is that the mag seems to sit lower in the front of the gun than the Weiger or Bulgy ones do.
The round in the mag sits up higher in the weiger and bulgy mags then it does in the Gallil mags
the round id too low to feed properly, hence the straight line in to the edge of the feed ramp.
Id liek to be able to use them, because they were fairly cheap, but im not sure if i really want to mess
with it any more. Im not going to replace the feed ramp in have in it because i know it is right,
and i think it is more the fault of the mag this time.

I may trade them off for weigers if i can.

KyARGuy
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Posted: 2/4/2006 12:27:36 AM
Bump to keep this alive.
To mag mods- Please let us know how the mags are functioning.







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Posted: 2/6/2006 10:28:10 PM
Genghis, did you get my IM?
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Posted: 2/7/2006 9:30:29 PM
Take a look at the .223 area of saiga-12.com.
Tromix 223 conversion
poster is Tony Rumore


Has a through account of galil mag mods.

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Posted: 2/9/2006 3:42:58 AM

Originally Posted By BiggerStick47:
Genghis, did you get my IM?



YES.
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Posted: 2/14/2006 11:27:17 PM
Any function reports.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 1:18:23 AM
Like I said about 200rds no problems. It was a mixture of ammo as well. It was the Winchester .45gr HPs, Wolf, Winchester FMJ.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 1:22:15 AM
Its funny but I was reading on another forum and some guy was saying how you can not use Galil mags with out major hard work and you should send it to him and pay him instead of doing it your self. I am glad I did it my self and saved $$$$$$$. The feed ramp is the key. It took some time and several were scrapped but it paid off in the end. All I can say is that they work great for me in my rifle.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 2:19:40 AM
Thanks for the solid report.
At the saiga site there are alot of posts about mags.
Seems like the most trusted is e- german steel mags.
I like the idea of the galil mags .
Guess I just have to try them myself.
Any detailed tips beyond the normal on tweaking the bullet guide.
Thanks again .
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Posted: 2/19/2006 4:22:01 AM
Nothing to add. The feeding ramp was the hardest part of the whole thing.
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