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Posted: 8/23/2016 5:17:04 PM EDT
Okay I'm a AK newbi and don't know anything about them but I have vepr in 7.62 54r
I want the lowest mount possible with picitinny on top so i can use one of my old scopes. What/where would I need to buy? I want to see how well this shoots. Thats Update got crushed cases as well as 5-6 inch groups-this thing is a POS will pot pictures later video of shit rivet job, how would you fix??? 
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Posted: 8/23/2016 5:36:54 PM EDT
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If you're willing to spend the money for a high quality mount, RS Regulate is the way to go: http://rsregulate.com/optics.php
The 303 lower in combination with the AKR upper will yield what you are looking for. Not the cheapest option, but certainly one on the best. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 5:22:49 PM EDT
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If you're willing to spend the money for a high quality mount, RS Regulate is the way to go: http://rsregulate.com/optics.php The 303 lower in combination with the AKR upper will yield what you are looking for. Not the cheapest option, but certainly one on the best. thanks |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 9:20:30 PM EDT
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Some other mounts worthy of consideration:
MI UTG Pro SM-13 Molot The MI mount is decent. It does not center over the bore on my .308 Vepr, it is offset to the right about 1/8". No experience with the UTG pro, but the few posts I have read on it are all positive and it is made in the US. The SM-13 is another quality mount. Mine centers over the bore perfectly on my .308 Saiga, haven't tried it on either of my Veprs. The Molot mount comes from the same company that manufactures the Vepr. It centers perfectly on my Veprs and has served me well over the years. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:17:55 AM EDT
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The MI mount fit perfectly on both my 7.62x39 and my 308 Vepr. Absolutley nothing wrong with it and it held zero after removal and reinstall, but as said before the rs regulate setup is adjustable to all rifles and just looks badass IMO, its what im currently running.
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:03:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2016 8:01:56 PM EDT
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bought the rs
installed a alg trigger-da bomb spent 300 on match ammo to see how well it will shoot. currently gonna mod the stock to get the cheek weld correct 2k AK 
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Posted: 8/26/2016 8:49:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: currently gonna mod the stock to get the cheek weld correct I did the same on one of my .308 Veprs (I have two). I like the feel of the factory thumbhole stock, but the cheek weld sucks with optics. I sanded the comb of the stock down flat and added a Karsten cheek rest. Outstanding cheek weld with the Karsten. For a trigger, I installed a heavily massaged Arsenal two stage. Buttery smooth and very predictable after giving it some work. Great for precision work.  |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:49:08 AM EDT
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I like the stock add on. I think my cheek bon would hit the front edge. same problem I have with prs stocks
I already took some material off the thumb side of the stock, too wide for me at the top. couple minutes with a gouging chishel and i have a fitted stock. I think I'm gonna make the top flat and add back a piece of walnut, kinda like a svd, maybe make it adjustable. have too see when I get the rs up and running. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:31:37 PM EDT
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Post pics of your stock set-up when it's finished.
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Posted: 8/29/2016 10:44:43 PM EDT
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The MI didn't line up with the bore on mine, it was way off. I took the UTG off my WASR just to try and it lined up nicely and so far has been sturdy.
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Posted: 8/31/2016 6:53:25 PM EDT
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Post pics of your stock set-up when it's finished. RS installed-very nice design. its very flexible, as it has to be for AKs. Stock was SVDish inspired. I wanted to flatten in out and remove the monte carlo cheek rest as it doesn't work at all IMO. I was going to make it fully adjustable and then I shit canned that idea when I realized nobody would shoot it but me. it was kinda sad curring it up-the stock is actually very nice. I don't plan on de-scooping it so its set. Damn high as well, Aks are just not made for scopes. I had to close off the end of the cutout (unplanned), for some reason the center of the stock is hollow-I dont know why they would make it that way. Anyway its been bubbafied but I want to see how it will shoot. 
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Posted: 8/31/2016 8:25:58 PM EDT
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I didn't want to hack up my original stock either, so I bought a second one to hack on. The stock in the pic of my .308 Vepr that I previously posted is not original to the rifle, the original stock remains unmolested. If for some reason you decide to pick up a second stock some day, make sure it comes from a .308 or 7.62x54r Vepr, the stocks for them are dimensionally different than the other calibers to accommodate the longer magwell.
What a lot of people shopping for AK scope mounts don't seem to realize up front is that the scope mount is rarely the limiting factor on how low you can get a scope on AKs. What usually ends up stopping you from going lower is the fact that the scope's objective housing needs to clear the rear sight/base. I always end up going with taller rings than I desire just to get the objective to clear the rear sight. Curious to see what kind of accuracy that rifle delivers, especially if you're running good ammo through it. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 6:37:03 PM EDT
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Curious to see what kind of accuracy that rifle delivers, especially if you're running good ammo through it. is 5-6moa at best. it might be trying to keyhole some rounds. PPU 182 gr, 5 moa, terrible S&B match 172 gr, could not stay on paper at 100yards, at 50 7 moa, Silver bear was the best groups 
The bottom of the chamber is catching the necks/shoulders of brass round and destroying them. The S&B will not chamber, the PR has the shoulders creased. I just rounded over the sharp edge of the bottom, didn't remove too much. BTW the plastic mag will not chamber without some force, the edge of the feed lips has spread causing it not to fit. This rifle is a POS so far |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 6:42:04 PM EDT
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photo of crushd necks/shoulder crease
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Posted: 9/2/2016 12:49:48 AM EDT
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That is unfortunate. I have no experience with the x54r Veprs, so I don't have anything of value to offer up.
What's the next move? More experimenting with different loads? Warranty claim? Csspecs will have their x54r Vepr mag available soon (link below). Not worth dumping anymore cash into the rifle if the accuracy remains so dismal obviously. http://stores.csspecs.com/vepr-7-62x54r-10-round/ |
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Posted: 9/2/2016 7:03:20 AM EDT
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Damn, sorry to hear that as well. Veprs are usually quite well put together and have a stellar reputation
Any other mags you can try to see if that helps the rounds feeding? Also any steel cased surplus you can run through it? |
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Posted: 9/2/2016 7:23:49 AM EDT
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That doesn't look right. Something is borked.
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Posted: 9/2/2016 11:02:33 AM EDT
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So, the rivets securing the side rail to the receiver are loose? If so, can you get additional crush on the rivets (assuming you have access to the tooling) to tighten it up?
Otherwise, file a warranty claim or re-rivet the rail (new rivets) yourself. Going from memory, there are only 2 rivets securing that rail to the receiver. |
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Posted: 9/2/2016 12:44:02 PM EDT
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So, the rivets securing the side rail to the receiver are loose? If so, can you get additional crush on the rivets (assuming you have access to the tooling) to tighten it up? Otherwise, file a warranty claim or re-rivet the rail (new rivets) yourself. Going from memory, there are only 2 rivets securing that rail to the receiver. yep two rivets and now its tigged to the reciver updat pic looks like the rs mount is shit, gouges metal after shot, which leads to wedging on the mount twisting the entire thing 
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Posted: 9/5/2016 2:23:39 PM EDT
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Sorry to hear of your travails (dumping mega cash into a rifle and it sucks).
Your feeding problems are most likely due to a bad feed angle from the mag, but I'd expect to see damage at or below the shoulder of the cartridge. Your cases show fubarred necks. If you're into tinkering, carefully check the path from the feed ramp to the chamber. Break any edges you find with the Dremel tool and appropriate bit. Pull the FP from your bolt and try chamber rounds until you see no more damage to case. Your RS problem could be due to improper tension on the clamp or the dovetail angles are screwed. Also Check to see that the rear stop area is square. You may need to square up the rear of the rail if you see any bevel. Before doing anything try using your irons with the rifle benched and see how it groups to see if you really want to go any further with it. |
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Posted: 9/7/2016 1:00:16 AM EDT
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First given what you have stated about the magazine feed lips appearing to be damaged, that your current magazine(s) may be damaged and causing these feed issues, which based on your pictured damage to case necks, are surely affecting accuracy. The CSSpecs mags are top notch and higher quality than OEM, I would just go straight to them.
I creeped your Photobucket and saw this photo of your rail, and this jumped out at me. Your side rail looks modified from OEM and this could be causing issues with your optics mount. Your VEPR side rail looks like this 
while it should look like this 
As you can see the side rail has a flat stop surface near the rear rivet, which is where the mount indexes on the rail in order to return to zero. Yours has a strange bevel on it that is normally not there, and doesn't look original. It looks like this altered area of the side mount is exactly where your RS Regulate mount clamp is showing some damage. Did you modify the rear of the rail, or did it arrive like that? Is the gun used? |
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Posted: 9/7/2016 1:17:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I creeped your Photobucket and saw this photo of your rail, and this jumped out at me. Your side rail looks modified from OEM and this could be causing issues with your optics mount. Your VEPR side rail looks like this http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e303/taylorwso/IMAG0152_zps1g3nkfri.jpg~original while it should look like this http://www.molot-usa.com/images/VEPR_CONF-6.jpg As you can see the side rail has a flat stop surface near the rear rivet, which is where the mount indexes on the rail in order to return to zero. Yours has a strange bevel on it that is normally not there, and doesn't look original. It looks like this altered area of the side mount is exactly where your RS Regulate mount clamp is showing some damage. Did you modify the rear of the rail, or did it arrive like that? Is the gun used? That's jacked up. |
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Posted: 9/7/2016 1:22:50 AM EDT
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What's your expect from a trash can gun?
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Posted: 9/8/2016 5:07:46 PM EDT
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That's jacked up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I creeped your Photobucket and saw this photo of your rail, and this jumped out at me. Your side rail looks modified from OEM and this could be causing issues with your optics mount. Your VEPR side rail looks like this http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e303/taylorwso/IMAG0152_zps1g3nkfri.jpg~original while it should look like this http://www.molot-usa.com/images/VEPR_CONF-6.jpg As you can see the side rail has a flat stop surface near the rear rivet, which is where the mount indexes on the rail in order to return to zero. Yours has a strange bevel on it that is normally not there, and doesn't look original. It looks like this altered area of the side mount is exactly where your RS Regulate mount clamp is showing some damage. Did you modify the rear of the rail, or did it arrive like that? Is the gun used? That's jacked up. The end of the RS mount does not have enough ass on it to engage the two sides of the rail where it indexes. I filled in the "groove" with weld so the RS mount will but against the end of the AK mount and not move forward. yes it had been narrowed/beveled down, so a mount could slide easily on it im gueessing. New from atlantic the weld fixed the bad mount index issue. Look at the picture on the 1st post of where the RS mount was gouged, it does not have enough aluminum to engage where the vepr AK mount has the grove. I still has to tig the mount to the reciver- fucking two rivets in the same plane didn't hold dick and the mount basically was a hinge |
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Posted: 9/8/2016 5:12:36 PM EDT
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as far as accuracy the best I could do it about 3" with match SB ammo, 2"-2-5" wit PPU 182gr and the best was silver bear with 1-5"-2" groups
The mount is tight but this thing is just a piece of shit. RS said they will replace th mount for a new one. This ill be the last Slav gun I buy, they just can't get it done. I have no idea why so many people rave about them, they sure as shit cannot shoot like everyone on the net as assured me they will. |
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Posted: 9/8/2016 5:14:10 PM EDT
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First given what you have stated about the magazine feed lips appearing to be damaged, that your current magazine(s) may be damaged and causing these feed issues, which based on your pictured damage to case necks, are surely affecting accuracy. The CSSpecs mags are top notch and higher quality than OEM, I would just go straight to them. its the gun- I tried multiple mags. I fixed the problem by knocking the edge of the bottom of the chamber, It was sharp as shit. I hit it with a carbide rasp and it feed all ammo now. |
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Posted: 9/8/2016 8:01:37 PM EDT
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I completely understand your frustration with this particular rifle, but Veprs in general have a pretty good rep for being quality rifles in terms of build quality, reliability, and accuracy (relatively speaking).
Being an AK-based rifle, they will never hang with some other rifles in terms of accuracy, but many Veprs will do better than yours. |
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Posted: 9/9/2016 12:16:12 PM EDT
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its the gun- I tried multiple mags. I fixed the problem by knocking the edge of the bottom of the chamber, It was sharp as shit. I hit it with a carbide rasp and it feed all ammo now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First given what you have stated about the magazine feed lips appearing to be damaged, that your current magazine(s) may be damaged and causing these feed issues, which based on your pictured damage to case necks, are surely affecting accuracy. The CSSpecs mags are top notch and higher quality than OEM, I would just go straight to them. its the gun- I tried multiple mags. I fixed the problem by knocking the edge of the bottom of the chamber, It was sharp as shit. I hit it with a carbide rasp and it feed all ammo now. That's good but be careful, 54r headspace on its rim and therefore changes to the chamber face can affect headspace |
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Posted: 9/9/2016 2:39:34 PM EDT
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That's good but be careful, 54r headspace on its rim and therefore changes to the chamber face can affect headspace I'm aware, I literally broke the edge. I couldn't not believe how sharp it was. |
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Posted: 10/9/2016 5:34:25 AM EDT
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Breaking the edge of chamber with Dremel etc...no biggie...it's like that on many factory AK's with a notch or step leading into the barrel or chamber..
Did it on my RWC converted Saiga with the wrong Bullet guide and its fine now. The moment u saw or figured a rivet or the side mount was messed up though u should've contacted Atlantic... They have a reputation for great customer service. Since u tig welded the mount to the receiver though I would say there's not a chance they would do anything for u now and seeing as u said your an AK newb you should of gotten more advice before welding on the gun. I had an OPAP that would jam and the action would ride over a round in the mag because the selector stop plate was not properly fit or something... cNC Warrior replaced the gun with a new one... Veprs are nice or great guns... The action on mine is smoother than all my other AK's and the fit and finish is best... It's still an AK though...not a bolt action tack driver... 1.5 MOA at 100yrds is great... Handloading would seek the guns potential and loads. |
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Posted: 10/14/2016 6:49:22 AM EDT
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you should of gotten more advice before welding on the gun. Veprs are nice or great guns... The action on mine is smoother than all my other AK's and the fit and finish is best... It's still an AK though...not a bolt action tack driver... 1.5 MOA at 100yrds is great... Handloading would seek the guns potential and loads. its fixed now, the mount is better than anything from the factory would ever be. IMO it should be welded as it gives a more secure fit. the accuracy was a disappointment simply because of what I've read, I was expcting close to a AR but its just not there. |
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Posted: 10/15/2016 8:41:05 AM EDT
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what does it shoot at 100, in a lead sled, using the iron sights?
mine is minute of softball |
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Posted: 10/15/2016 9:05:46 PM EDT
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what does it shoot at 100, in a lead sled, using the iron sights? mine is minute of softball best is 1.5" at 100 with scope and steel ammo |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 9:39:47 AM EDT
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Theses guns are not designed as match rifles even the svd, psl dragnof. Are not match grade rifles. They are ment to engage man side and larger targets not put lot of holes in little groups
So soft ball size isn't unexpected. |
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Posted: 12/30/2016 12:30:31 AM EDT
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Damn that sucks. Best group I got so far at 100 yards with Wolf 174 grain or 148 (can't remember but I think this was 174). From lead sled, has trigger job
I have the Kalinka Optics mount, it almost rezeros (could be me not locking it in the exact same spot) 
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Posted: 2/4/2017 1:24:28 AM EDT
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its fixed now, the mount is better than anything from the factory would ever be. IMO it should be welded as it gives a more secure fit. the accuracy was a disappointment simply because of what I've read, I was expcting close to a AR but its just not there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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you should of gotten more advice before welding on the gun. Veprs are nice or great guns... The action on mine is smoother than all my other AK's and the fit and finish is best... It's still an AK though...not a bolt action tack driver... 1.5 MOA at 100yrds is great... Handloading would seek the guns potential and loads. its fixed now, the mount is better than anything from the factory would ever be. IMO it should be welded as it gives a more secure fit. the accuracy was a disappointment simply because of what I've read, I was expcting close to a AR but its just not there. Please show me the AR that shoots better than 1.5 in. I have my credit card in hand |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 3:34:25 PM EDT
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Please show me the AR that shoots better than 1.5 in. I have my credit card in hand are you being retarded for a reason??? go look at the moa all day long thread click me to lose your edges I have multiple ar10s that will, even posted about it before, you can waste your time looking at my threads from 8ish years ago again I hope you're not this dumb |
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Posted: 3/11/2017 9:05:01 AM EDT
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Please show me the AR that shoots better than 1.5 in. I have my credit card in hand Here ya go - 
@ 100 yds with 168 gr AMAX - 
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Posted: 3/11/2017 9:14:04 AM EDT
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I completely understand your frustration with this particular rifle, but Veprs in general have a pretty good rep for being quality rifles in terms of build quality, reliability, and accuracy (relatively speaking). Being an AK-based rifle, they will never hang with some other rifles in terms of accuracy, but many Veprs will do better than yours. My 308 VEPR can get close to 2.5 moa with the same 168 gr Hornady AMAX that I use in my home brewed AR10, however, the groups seemed to wander a few inches left and then a few inches right...never a consistent POI. I got frustrated and put it in the back of the safe. Not a bad shooting stick but man..wandering POI is just no go for me. 
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