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Posted: 7/13/2011 6:42:02 AM
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Posted: 7/13/2011 1:28:49 PM
Import ban on Russia.
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TX-Zen
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Posted: 7/13/2011 2:31:53 PM
Until the Russians expire the VRA that they chose to implement, we can't get them here. SVD's can easily be imported as a sporter as long as they have no flash hider...in this case it's not our laws keeping them out, it's the Russians.
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Posted: 7/13/2011 3:42:49 PM
[Last Edit: 7/13/2011 3:44:15 PM by The_Texan_Ninja]
If they start importing sporterized Dragunovs, I’ll cry tears of indescribable joy.
Why did they stop importing the Tigrs? |
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shade_1313
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Posted: 7/13/2011 9:34:52 PM
I would joygasm, and buy another 2-3 SVDs, easily.
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Posted: 7/16/2011 8:39:44 AM
Originally Posted By The_Texan_Ninja:
If they start importing sporterized Dragunovs, I’ll cry tears of indescribable joy. Why did they stop importing the Tigrs? I thought this was a ban the U.S. emplaced? It was specifically named in an import ban "or so I've been told". Anybody who is actually knowledgable tell me what the real issue is? |
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Posted: 7/16/2011 8:51:35 AM
Originally Posted By The_Texan_Ninja:
If they start importing sporterized Dragunovs, I’ll cry tears of indescribable joy. Why did they stop importing the Tigrs? I thought this was a ban the U.S. emplaced? It was specifically named in an import ban "or so I've been told". Anybody who is actually knowledgable tell me what the real issue is? |
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TX-Zen
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Posted: 7/16/2011 6:17:22 PM
No it wasn't a US ban specifically.
The Russians agreed to implement the VRA on what they would willingly export to the US. They made a political decision to stop exporting these rifles to the US. Until the Russians expire it themselves we won't get Dragunov's or Tiger's. Z |
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Posted: 7/16/2011 11:09:15 PM
OK, so how do we go about getting them to do that?
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saigamanTX
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Posted: 7/17/2011 12:48:49 AM
Originally Posted By TX-Zen: No it wasn't a US ban specifically. The Russians agreed to implement the VRA on what they would willingly export to the US. They made a political decision to stop exporting these rifles to the US. Until the Russians expire it themselves we won't get Dragunov's or Tiger's. Z But yet the Psl is importable and it's basically the same gun.......  |
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Posted: 7/17/2011 1:07:23 AM
Originally Posted By TX-Zen:
No it wasn't a US ban specifically. The Russians agreed to implement the VRA on what they would willingly export to the US. They made a political decision to stop exporting these rifles to the US. Until the Russians expire it themselves we won't get Dragunov's or Tiger's. Z Is this like a sunset issue? What's the time frame or who do we have to pay off in the Kremlin to start getting this merchandise into my hands? |
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Posted: 7/17/2011 9:49:00 AM
Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By TX-Zen:
No it wasn't a US ban specifically. The Russians agreed to implement the VRA on what they would willingly export to the US. They made a political decision to stop exporting these rifles to the US. Until the Russians expire it themselves we won't get Dragunov's or Tiger's. Z But yet the Psl is importable and it's basically the same gun.......
PSL is Romanian. |
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Posted: 7/17/2011 12:06:16 PM
Originally Posted By The_Texan_Ninja:
Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By TX-Zen:
No it wasn't a US ban specifically. The Russians agreed to implement the VRA on what they would willingly export to the US. They made a political decision to stop exporting these rifles to the US. Until the Russians expire it themselves we won't get Dragunov's or Tiger's. Z But yet the Psl is importable and it's basically the same gun.......
PSL is Romanian. And really isn't all that similar. |
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shade_1313
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Posted: 7/17/2011 2:54:12 PM
Originally Posted By ncthorn1623: Originally Posted By The_Texan_Ninja: Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Originally Posted By TX-Zen: No it wasn't a US ban specifically. The Russians agreed to implement the VRA on what they would willingly export to the US. They made a political decision to stop exporting these rifles to the US. Until the Russians expire it themselves we won't get Dragunov's or Tiger's. Z But yet the Psl is importable and it's basically the same gun....... PSL is Romanian. And really isn't all that similar. Very different, in fact, aside from some cosmetic similarities and the 7.62x54r chambering. |
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Posted: 7/17/2011 3:16:48 PM
Originally Posted By shade_1313:
Originally Posted By ncthorn1623:
Originally Posted By The_Texan_Ninja:
Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By TX-Zen:
No it wasn't a US ban specifically. The Russians agreed to implement the VRA on what they would willingly export to the US. They made a political decision to stop exporting these rifles to the US. Until the Russians expire it themselves we won't get Dragunov's or Tiger's. Z But yet the Psl is importable and it's basically the same gun.......
PSL is Romanian. And really isn't all that similar. Very different, in fact, aside from some cosmetic similarities and the 7.62x54r chambering. yes they fit the same roles but different guts/forearms/other details Tigr to PSL comparison |
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Posted: 7/18/2011 3:19:04 PM
IIRC the Dragunov design is thought to have higher potential for accuracy.
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heron163
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Posted: 7/20/2011 12:32:40 PM
this would be relevant to many people's interest!
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Posted: 7/20/2011 11:01:52 PM
Originally Posted By MAKAK47:
Originally Posted By shade_1313:
Originally Posted By ncthorn1623:
Originally Posted By The_Texan_Ninja:
Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By TX-Zen:
No it wasn't a US ban specifically. The Russians agreed to implement the VRA on what they would willingly export to the US. They made a political decision to stop exporting these rifles to the US. Until the Russians expire it themselves we won't get Dragunov's or Tiger's. Z But yet the Psl is importable and it's basically the same gun.......
PSL is Romanian. And really isn't all that similar. Very different, in fact, aside from some cosmetic similarities and the 7.62x54r chambering. yes they fit the same roles but different guts/forearms/other details Tigr to PSL comparison I wonder if we can quote enough so that you can’t see the original post
But yeah, I say we just smuggle some Dragunovs into Bulgaria and ship em out  |
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Posted: 7/21/2011 6:00:15 AM
Originally Posted By The_Texan_Ninja:
Originally Posted By MAKAK47:
Originally Posted By shade_1313:
Originally Posted By ncthorn1623:
Originally Posted By The_Texan_Ninja:
Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By TX-Zen:
No it wasn't a US ban specifically. The Russians agreed to implement the VRA on what they would willingly export to the US. They made a political decision to stop exporting these rifles to the US. Until the Russians expire it themselves we won't get Dragunov's or Tiger's. Z But yet the Psl is importable and it's basically the same gun.......
PSL is Romanian. And really isn't all that similar. Very different, in fact, aside from some cosmetic similarities and the 7.62x54r chambering. yes they fit the same roles but different guts/forearms/other details Tigr to PSL comparison I wonder if we can quote enough so that you can’t see the original post
But yeah, I say we just smuggle some Dragunovs into Bulgaria and ship em out Speaking of Bulgaria, it would be cool if Arsenal was able to make one... but then again they would only make one and price it at $125,000 for the "serious collector" |
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Posted: 7/21/2011 4:41:05 PM
Well. here's a solution:
Why not build Dragunovs in the US? Over the last 10 years, domestic CNC shops have sprouted everywhere, that make some very good AR15s using CNC tooling at pretty affordable prices. This can totally be repeated for the Druganovs. The design is fairly simple and there's no licensing royalties. |
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Posted: 7/21/2011 7:09:57 PM
Originally Posted By Molodoi:
Well. here's a solution: Why not build Dragunovs in the US? Over the last 10 years, domestic CNC shops have sprouted everywhere, that make some very good AR15s using CNC tooling at pretty affordable prices. This can totally be repeated for the Druganovs. The design is fairly simple and there's no licensing royalties. too much money for the equipment for receivers and barrels cant be imported anymore so they would have to be made from scratch the cost per firearm would equal or exceed the preban russian tigr's or chinese ndms the profit margin would not be very high = not worth it... all these facts make me sad as I would love to own a dragunov considering it is quality and reliable. |
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Posted: 7/22/2011 12:48:04 AM
Originally Posted By Killjoy321:
Originally Posted By Molodoi:
Well. here's a solution: Why not build Dragunovs in the US? Over the last 10 years, domestic CNC shops have sprouted everywhere, that make some very good AR15s using CNC tooling at pretty affordable prices. This can totally be repeated for the Druganovs. The design is fairly simple and there's no licensing royalties. too much money for the equipment for receivers and barrels cant be imported anymore so they would have to be made from scratch the cost per firearm would equal or exceed the preban russian tigr's or chinese ndms the profit margin would not be very high = not worth it... all these facts make me sad as I would love to own a dragunov considering it is quality and reliable. You know, I keep hearing this line over and over from people when discussing US built AKs I’m not trying to call you out, but please explain to me why we can’t build an AK to spec, including the hammer forged barrel affordably ($1000 range) I’m sorry, but if we can build the much more complex AR-15 platform for that price range, then we can do it with the AK I |
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Posted: 7/22/2011 12:55:52 AM
Originally Posted By MAKAK47:
Originally Posted By The_Texan_Ninja:
Originally Posted By MAKAK47:
Originally Posted By shade_1313:
Originally Posted By ncthorn1623:
Originally Posted By The_Texan_Ninja:
Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By TX-Zen:
No it wasn't a US ban specifically. The Russians agreed to implement the VRA on what they would willingly export to the US. They made a political decision to stop exporting these rifles to the US. Until the Russians expire it themselves we won't get Dragunov's or Tiger's. Z But yet the Psl is importable and it's basically the same gun.......
PSL is Romanian. And really isn't all that similar. Very different, in fact, aside from some cosmetic similarities and the 7.62x54r chambering. yes they fit the same roles but different guts/forearms/other details Tigr to PSL comparison I wonder if we can quote enough so that you can’t see the original post
But yeah, I say we just smuggle some Dragunovs into Bulgaria and ship em out Speaking of Bulgaria, it would be cool if Arsenal was able to make one... but then again they would only make one and price it at $125,000 for the "serious collector" Exactly, that’s one of several reasons I don’t like Arsenal as a company. However, they do make great guns. |
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Posted: 7/22/2011 4:36:50 PM
I dont know either, there's just not enough people wanting dragunovs to justify the cost of production
and if I recall correctly someone would have to get a license from izhmash to produce them over here or be subject to a lawsuit... but i would love to see a u.s. made dragunov regardless |
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Posted: 7/23/2011 8:48:36 AM
How well do petitions go over in Russia? What if a bunch of crazy American gun owners signed a petition stating intention of buying a TIGR rifle if they ship them... or something like that, I mean why do the Europeans get them but we don't? We get Saiga, Saiga's Legion, VEPR, but no TIGR series... what the hell?
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Posted: 7/23/2011 3:11:40 PM
[Last Edit: 7/23/2011 3:12:10 PM by Killjoy321]
Originally Posted By MAKAK47:
How well do petitions go over in Russia? What if a bunch of crazy American gun owners signed a petition stating intention of buying a TIGR rifle if they ship them... or something like that, I mean why do the Europeans get them but we don't? We get Saiga, Saiga's Legion, VEPR, but no TIGR series... what the hell? instead of a petition send a lobbyist to the russian congressmen to show them how much more money the exports could make by allowing a few more rifle types to be sent over here. more work and money I know but more effective than a petition ever would be |
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