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Posted: 1/6/2012 8:36:52 AM

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Want to get a AMD-65 from Centerfire. But a little concern about 922r. To my understanding it only have three US part, the trigger. But I want to used regular surplus mags. Any other parts I can get for it that would make 922r compliance? Or should I really not worry about it? Thank
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Posted: 1/6/2012 9:32:18 AM
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It's easier to replace a few parts to be compliant than to have to wonder and worry about it.
In addition to the 3 trigger group parts, you can change the piston, muzzle brake, forearm(upper and lower count as 1)
And the grip. Those are the easiest to change cheaply.
Now you could change the rear stock to a US made stock but then you would need an adaptor and stock of choice which can be more costly than the above mentioned parts.
If you want to keep original configuration, well your going to have limited options like US made MB, US made piston and possibly changing in out some floorplates and/or followers in your steel mags(along with the 3 US trigger group parts) or go with all US made mags.
Good day!
Edit; where are you in OKLA? If in Tulsa area you could look at mine.
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Posted: 1/6/2012 1:51:58 PM
Doesn't it have to be compliant, as sold, for Centerfire to sell it to you?
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Posted: 1/6/2012 2:12:48 PM
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It is Compliant with the use of the 20 rd Tapco mag that comes with the AMD from Centerfire systems.
Usage of non US made mag or other mag without 3 US parts would be "Non Compliant" without any other Additional compliant parts changes.



Edited for clarification.
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Posted: 1/6/2012 6:03:40 PM
IMHO you won't be happy with the steel mags, they will wobble too much. But if you must, change the gas piston, the rear pistiol grip (and the front if you wish but it doesn't count) and chnage the bottom plate and or follower in a steel mag with US parts.
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Posted: 1/8/2012 11:25:20 PM
Originally Posted By mouthpiece:
It's easier to replace a few parts to be compliant than to have to wonder and worry about it.
In addition to the 3 trigger group parts, you can change the piston, muzzle brake, forearm(upper and lower count as 1)
And the grip. Those are the easiest to change cheaply.
Now you could change the rear stock to a US made stock but then you would need an adaptor and stock of choice which can be more costly than the above mentioned parts.
If you want to keep original configuration, well your going to have limited options like US made MB, US made piston and possibly changing in out some floorplates and/or followers in your steel mags(along with the 3 US trigger group parts) or go with all US made mags.
Good day!
Edit; where are you in OKLA? If in Tulsa area you could look at mine.


The gas piston is the short one. Still, its available. The muzzle brake doesn't come into the formula because being welded, it now is simply a barrel extension. You change the character of this rifle by changing the forearm and Hungarian wood. Take the easy and smart way out - use polymer mags. I use Bulgarian waffle mags in my FEGs with USA followers and floorplates. Along with the Tapco G2 trigger set it came with, that's all it takes. I don't have a picture with the Bulgarian mag, but here it is with the original Tapco. Familiarize yourself with 922r and write up a 'compliance sheet' you can keep in your records or with the rifle showing the parts list with 'imported' or 'USA made'. Number the imported parts up to 10 and use '0' for each USA part. This not only keeps you straight on what's supposed to be part of the rifle - it also serves as evidence that you understand the requirements and have made sure the rifle remains compliant.

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Posted: 1/13/2012 5:12:59 PM
I can never wrapped my head around this law. OK, if I insert a US mags it’s legal. But if it’s a foreign one suddenly it illegal!? Why did they ever bothered to passed this rule?

I planed on replacing the muzzle brake with a Tapco one. And also the pistol grip and gas piston. So any grip/gas piston would work? Or is there one specifically for AMD-65.

And one more thing. Who make those AMD-65? Thank
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Posted: 1/14/2012 6:55:15 PM
Originally Posted By gundam999:
I can never wrapped my head around this law. OK, if I insert a US mags it’s legal. But if it’s a foreign one suddenly it illegal!? Why did they ever bothered to passed this rule?

I planed on replacing the muzzle brake with a Tapco one. And also the pistol grip and gas piston. So any grip/gas piston would work? Or is there one specifically for AMD-65.

And one more thing. Who make those AMD-65? Thank


Get a piston specifically made for an AMD-65; grips are standard AK. TGI makes most of them. Century did a few too. My TGI is excellent

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Posted: 1/16/2012 1:50:56 AM
If you want to use surplus mags with your AMD65, you should follow 922r, and have at least 6 US parts. The US fire control group and pinned brake, all together, counts as 4. Get a US made pistol grip, and you need just 1 more US part. You can either go with US made magazine followers, magazine floor plates, handguards, the gas piston, or a stock.
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Posted: 1/16/2012 1:56:55 AM
Get an ultimak gas tube, new grips, and a new us made followers for the mags
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:01:12 AM
Originally Posted By peligro113:
Get an ultimak gas tube, new grips, and a new us made followers for the mags


Gas TUBE does not count as a 922 compliant part.
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Posted: 1/16/2012 3:38:38 PM
Originally Posted By mouthpiece:
Originally Posted By peligro113:
Get an ultimak gas tube, new grips, and a new us made followers for the mags


Gas TUBE does not count as a 922 compliant part.


You are correct, maybe he meant Gas piston, but then most of the advice on here is wrong.

Try these sites, they may help keep you out of prison for listening to people that don't understand the law...

http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/BuildAkVerifyCompliance

http://www.tapco.com/section922r/

http://www.ak-47.us/AK47_Parts.php

Now I'm not the expert on AK's and AMD's that many on here are, but I am a lawyer and can read the code...

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Posted: 1/16/2012 3:41:21 PM
Here's the gas piston if you are lookinf for one

http://ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29817

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Posted: 1/16/2012 3:42:04 PM
[Last Edit: 1/16/2012 3:44:14 PM by peligro113]
Originally Posted By mouthpiece:
Originally Posted By peligro113:
Get an ultimak gas tube, new grips, and a new us made followers for the mags


Gas TUBE does not count as a 922 compliant part.


Correction gas piston

quote]Originally Posted By C_1:
If you want to use surplus mags with your AMD65, you should follow 922r, and have at least 6 US parts. The US fire control group and pinned brake, all together, counts as 4. Get a US made pistol grip, and you need just 1 more US part. You can either go with US made magazine followers, magazine floor plates, handguards, the gas piston, or a stock.[/quote]

On the TGI AMD the muzzle brake doesn't count because it is welded which makes it part of the barrel.
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Posted: 1/31/2012 11:04:52 AM
Originally Posted By peligro113:
Originally Posted By mouthpiece:
Originally Posted By peligro113:
Get an ultimak gas tube, new grips, and a new us made followers for the mags


Gas TUBE does not count as a 922 compliant part.


Correction gas piston

quote]Originally Posted By C_1:
If you want to use surplus mags with your AMD65, you should follow 922r, and have at least 6 US parts. The US fire control group and pinned brake, all together, counts as 4. Get a US made pistol grip, and you need just 1 more US part. You can either go with US made magazine followers, magazine floor plates, handguards, the gas piston, or a stock.


On the TGI AMD the muzzle brake doesn't count because it is welded which makes it part of the barrel.[/quote]


No muzzle break ever counts if it is welded - on any AK subject to 922. And you never count USA parts. The requirement is for a max of 10 of the list of 16 imported parts. Not all guns have imported parts for some of those. For example, some AMD65s have an imported FEG receiver and some have a USA receiver. Other AKs with milled receiver do not have a trunion. So, you can't just say '6 USA parts req'd.' It frequently can be five or less, which is why you count the imported parts, because they are what is being controlled by the law.
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Posted: 3/4/2012 11:28:12 PM
Here's what I did:
AK builder muzzle break.
AK builder piston.
Ronin AMD front and rear grips.
HTS


Also replaced the selector plate.
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Posted: 3/6/2012 12:24:57 AM
The receiver counts as one also and the US barrel, if your not getting an original barrel. So that's two more
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Posted: 7/2/2012 2:59:55 PM
I know this is digging up a dead horse, but on the AMD-65, which doesn't have an upper foregrip, would the lower alone count as a 922r compliant part?
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Posted: 7/2/2012 5:40:43 PM
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The receiver counts as one also and the US barrel, if your not getting an original barrel. So that's two more




RECEIVER COUNTS AS ONE U.S. PART IF IT IS A U.S. MADE Part.
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Posted: 7/24/2012 12:57:44 AM
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This is the way I have personally interpreted things from reading several gun boards. If someone replaces the Hungarian front hand guards (top & bottom) and Hungarian pistol grip, and trigger assembly parts, with all US parts, you don't have to use the Tapco / US mags, assuming that the Hungarian AMD-65 is the model with FEG Receiver, and FEG barrel from TG International.

For example:

Evil features allowed (10)

1) Hungarian FEG Barrel & welded Muzzle Brake (treated as one part)
2) Front Trunion
3) Receiver, Hungarian FEG
4) Bolt
5) Bolt Carrier
6) Gas Piston
7) Stock
8) Magazine Body
9) Floor Plate
10) Follower

US Made Features (5):

1) Trigger
2) Hammer / Sear
3) Disconnecter
4) Pistol Grip
5) Front Hand Guards (top & bottom)


Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer or govt. employee. Someone correct me if I made a mistake here.
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Posted: 7/24/2012 1:00:44 AM
Originally Posted By Salvadorsshadow:
I know this is digging up a dead horse, but on the AMD-65, which doesn't have an upper foregrip, would the lower alone count as a 922r compliant part?


Good question. Anyone?
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Posted: 7/24/2012 6:22:11 PM
Here is my AMD 65 fully compliant.


1) Trigger
2) Hammer / Sear
3) Disconnector
4) Ironwood Designs Pistol Grip
5) Ironwood Designs Front Hand Guards (top & bottom)


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Posted: 10/16/2012 7:05:47 PM
Ronin's Grips if you want a good US made 100% copy of the original plastic grips.

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Posted: 10/16/2012 7:12:10 PM
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Originally Posted By SailMeister:
Originally Posted By Salvadorsshadow:
I know this is digging up a dead horse, but on the AMD-65, which doesn't have an upper foregrip, would the lower alone count as a 922r compliant part?


Good question. Anyone?

Some of you are fundamentally misunderstanding how 922r works. It is NOT a count of US made parts. It is a count of foreign parts. You cannot have more than 10 foreign parts in a non-importable-configuration rifle.

The handguard is one part that can be counted. And, to answer your question, removing the Hungarian-made handguard and replacing it with a US handguard would lower your foreign part count by one. (I am unsure about how this works if you could somehow have a US made lower handguard and foreign made upper handguard, albeit I suspect the lower handguard is the one that is used for this determination.)

Personally, I think it's a no-brainer to replace the pistol grip and handguard on the AMD-65 anyways... they really suck.
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Posted: 10/17/2012 6:52:16 PM
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Tapco FCG, replace grip, replace handguard, done.
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Posted: 10/18/2012 9:29:12 AM
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So if you want to run surplus mags, you need to change how many parts with U.S.?

The magazine comprise 4 parts (body, follower, plate, spring) so that means one might have to change grips (2), forearm (1), and Stock (1)?

Would this resume compliance?

What happens if you add a drum

I really don't see how foreign, removable magazines can count as gun parts
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