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Posted: 4/16/2017 12:05:11 PM EDT
Hi guys,
I know pretty much nothing about AKs. I've gotten kind of bored with ARs and I think that I might want to branch out to AKs. I came here looking for info on the RAS47 (looks nice, US made). Well, I know now that I don't want a RAS47. 
But that leads to my question. In the AK Operators Union videos Rob Ski seems pretty stoked when he gets to 5,000 rounds in his reviews. Is this because 5,000 rounds is considered high mileage for a stamped AK (i.e. it's getting close to the end of its service life)... or is it just because it takes a lot of shooting to get to 5,000 rounds and he's glad to be done? 
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Posted: 4/16/2017 12:24:03 PM EDT
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5,000 is nowhere near the end of life point for a PROPERLY built AK with QUALITY parts. Check out the "AK Abuse" thread to see how many rounds Battlefield Las Vegas puts through their full auto's. I think they do the 5,000 rounds because at that point any serious issues should show themselves. As in the case with the RAS, the thing was beating itself apart. At some point Century might get the RAS right, but that time isn't now.
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Posted: 4/16/2017 12:27:27 PM EDT
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5,000 is nothing for any non-American made AK.
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Posted: 4/16/2017 1:45:42 PM EDT
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3000rds and counting on my Saiga.
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Posted: 4/16/2017 1:56:36 PM EDT
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Over 3,000 rounds through my lowly wasr. 5,000 rounds is only about 5-6 classes worth of shooting, any good ak should last much longer than that.
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Posted: 4/16/2017 3:12:44 PM EDT
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My ban era wasr10 is well over 10000 rounds.
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Posted: 4/16/2017 3:23:51 PM EDT
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10,000+ on my SLR105
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Posted: 4/16/2017 6:12:19 PM EDT
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Century will address the issues with the RAS-47 when its warranty costs eat into its profits by an an amount that Century isn't happy with. Century is producing their loose interpretations of "AK's" for recreational U.S. shooters, for the sole purpose of profit. Foreign AK's are made in military factories, and produced on the same tooling and from the same materials and components as that country's military rifles.
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Posted: 4/16/2017 6:52:02 PM EDT
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Thanks, guys. I'm starting from zero and don't even know what I don't know about AKs yet. I have a lot of reading to do.
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Posted: 4/16/2017 9:04:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2017 9:01:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAbsolutely gorgeous and purely sexy. If I may ask, what if any parts have you had to replace in the life of this rifle?
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Posted: 4/17/2017 9:31:03 PM EDT
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I've got wayyyyyy over 5K rounds on a Rommy I built on a Tapco flat. The only thing that's been replaced is the shepherd's hook.
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Posted: 4/18/2017 1:41:03 PM EDT
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no its not
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Posted: 4/18/2017 4:13:57 PM EDT
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Quoted:
But that leads to my question. In the AK Operators Union videos Rob Ski seems pretty stoked when he gets to 5,000 rounds in his reviews. Is this because 5,000 rounds is considered high mileage for a stamped AK (i.e. it's getting close to the end of its service life)... or is it just because it takes a lot of shooting to get to 5,000 rounds and he's glad to be done? Look back at his videos and posts from about 2 years ago. That's when he started calling out American manufacturer's for their sub-par AKs. His claim was that a quality AK should go 50,000 rounds. He wanted ANY American manufacturer to send him a sample of their gun and 50k rounds for testing. Obviously, nobody took him up on it. When it was clear he'd be laying out cash for the test rifles AND ammo he scaled back testing to 5,000 rounds. Frankly, I'm glad he did. 50k round tests would be extremely boring for the average viewer and insanely time consuming and costly for Rob. We'd be lucky if he got through one test PER YEAR if he was going 50k rounds. As it turns out, 5,000 rounds weeds out plenty of shitty guns and I think he's doing a hell of a service for hobbyists and weekend warriors. ETA: The 5,000 round benchmark has nothing to do with AKs in particular. He's also tested ARs that can't handle 5000 rounds. Even his Daniel Defense AR had multiple stoppages and breakages. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 4:33:26 PM EDT
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According to the guys at Battlefield Vegas, the useful life of a stamped AK (namely a WASR) with lots of full auto fire is about 100,000 rounds...
AK abuse thread |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 6:45:08 PM EDT
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100,000 rounds or about $22,000 to $24,000 dollars worth of ammo...........it will outlast you.
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Posted: 4/18/2017 6:48:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
If I may ask, what if any parts have you had to replace in the life of this rifle? |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 9:58:36 PM EDT
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Arsenal Bulgaria lists service life of around 15k on their barrels. Realistically this is where you might start to see some throat erosion and possibly slight drop in accuracy, but the rifle will likely keep running forever.
The only AKs I have with any real appreciable wear are my oldest, a WASR and Saiga .223. The WASR is probably close to 8-9k rounds and the Saiga around 6-7. Both have visible throat erosion (seen via bore light) but the rest of the bores are fine. Both rifles will still hit inside an 8" plate at 200 yd and shoot about the same as any other AK I own. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 11:11:40 PM EDT
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There is a member here on the forums who had over 28,000 on a Norinco pre ban several years ago.
I remember he said it still had the factory parts including the extractor,springs,and bolt. Can't remember who it was or if he still posts here |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 11:17:12 PM EDT
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Nyet, rifle is fine
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Posted: 4/19/2017 11:53:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2017 1:22:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNice
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Posted: 4/21/2017 10:48:15 AM EDT
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I'd run far away from the RAS 47. It's got nice curb appeal, but it's not gonna last being made of cheap cast parts. If an AK makes it 5k rounds with little to know issues, I've been told that it will be a keeper for sure for many more rounds to come. Check out Battlefield Vegas and their thread on this site. They talk about what is holding up and what isn't.
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Posted: 4/21/2017 1:21:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'd run far away from the RAS 47. It's got nice curb appeal, but it's not gonna last being made of cheap cast parts. If an AK makes it 5k rounds with little to know issues, I've been told that it will be a keeper for sure for many more rounds to come. Check out Battlefield Vegas and their thread on this site. They talk about what is holding up and what isn't. Was your opinion in the other thread, (ok) but here...not on topic. |
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Posted: 4/21/2017 1:48:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryShe's a dirty girl isn't she. Dirty Dirty girl
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Posted: 4/22/2017 11:44:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I've got wayyyyyy over 5K rounds on a Rommy I built on a Tapco flat. The only thing that's been replaced is the shepherd's hook. 
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Posted: 4/23/2017 11:26:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Over 3,000 rounds through my lowly wasr. 5,000 rounds is only about 5-6 classes worth of shooting, any good ak should last much longer than that. Whos classes are you taking that your blowing damn near a case of ammo per? |
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Posted: 4/23/2017 8:30:19 PM EDT
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The max round count on any barrel is determined largely by the rate of fire - the faster you shoot them, the faster the barrel burns out. The barrel is the most important factor in endurance with quality of assembly a close second. If you're thinking of paying good money for a rifle and five cases of ammo just to go out and see how fast you can burn out the barrel, have fun!
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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:25:43 AM EDT
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Think of an AK as like a semi truck. It ain't broke in 'till you hit 1million miles.
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Posted: 5/2/2017 10:38:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNow if you shot 5k in a day, that's a lot different than shooting 5k over the span of 5 years. Point is, the wear and tear of a barrel all depends purely on how fast you shoot and how often. If you shot 1 round per second, and don't let the gun heat up that much, your rifle will last for 10s of 1000s of rounds. There's no way to determine if 5k is a high mileage or not as it depends more so on the frequency and length and how well you clean your rifle. It's sort of like a car. If you drove under 20 miles a day, never driving faster than 45mph, and keeping up with the yearly maintenance, your car will last a heck of a lot longer than someone who drives 50 miles a day, and drives 60 mph on average. |
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Posted: 5/3/2017 5:16:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
The problem with these threads is that the guy says the range sees 400k rounds per month across all firearms. Even if the ak saw 1% of that, that's still 4k rounds in a month. That's quite a lot of ammo to be shooting per month. Now if you shot 5k in a day, that's a lot different than shooting 5k over the span of 5 years. Point is, the wear and tear of a barrel all depends purely on how fast you shoot and how often. If you shot 1 round per second, and don't let the gun heat up that much, your rifle will last for 10s of 1000s of rounds. There's no way to determine if 5k is a high mileage or not as it depends more so on the frequency and length and how well you clean your rifle. It's sort of like a car. If you drove under 20 miles a day, never driving faster than 45mph, and keeping up with the yearly maintenance, your car will last a heck of a lot longer than someone who drives 50 miles a day, and drives 60 mph on average. |
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Posted: 5/3/2017 11:16:27 PM EDT
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I have about 6k on my SAR1 and the bolt still looks new.
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Posted: 5/5/2017 11:25:45 AM EDT
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Ha, same here. I built a mongrel AK on a 1970 Rommy front end, that was well used. All mismatched parts from different eastern block countries around a first generation Tapco flat. It has well north of 5+ cases of $69 surplus Russian and Norinco ammo. The rifle runs great and is my fav of the herd. |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 3:31:34 PM EDT
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You should join this www.akfiles.com. Lots and lots of info there.
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Posted: 5/19/2017 8:49:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
According to the guys at Battlefield Vegas, the useful life of a stamped AK (namely a WASR) with lots of full auto fire is about 100,000 rounds... AK abuse thread |
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