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Posted: 2/6/2017 6:42:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/6/2017 6:44:08 PM EDT
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Legal 1PN93 http://img14.deviantart.net/0582/i/2010/186/f/9/ak74m_1pn93_1_by_garr1971.jpg My holy grail, the real SVDS http://content-12.foto.my.mail.ru/mail/photoshooter/874/i-875.jpg AS Val https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BIdqKhO_Ko8/maxresdefault.jpg Updated AK74, minus the stock http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/09/06/new-photos-of-ak-74-upgrade-package-for-russian-army-courtesy-larry-vickers/ This works for me too! |
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Posted: 2/6/2017 8:02:54 PM EDT
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I want to see my damn SLR107FR-11 in stock at Kavar and my card shipped and the rifle on the way to me that's what I want...in stock and shipping the week of Shot Show my ass. I guess it could be worse, at least my card hasn't been charged yet. Earl |
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Posted: 2/6/2017 10:27:11 PM EDT
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Better is easy. The Texas Weapon Systems dogleg top cover is arguably a better solution (which is why it was used and copied by the Russians). The Sabrewerks KOP system is absolutely, unequivocally better than any other option in its space, but that comes at a not insignificant cost. Really, the one thing Sabrewerks needs to do is design an optic mount for their system that puts a 1-X optic as low as possible and it would be the perfect mount system for those willing to pay to play. The Russians copied the TWS dogleg? I hadn't heard that. |
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Posted: 2/6/2017 11:36:10 PM EDT
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More 5.45x39 rifles and ammunition on the market. I'd especially love to see the Romanian AES-10B RPKs in 5.45x39 reach our shores. Cugir offered them. Century didn't bite for whatever reason. Century, a master at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. 
No one wants the modernized AKs coming out of Zastava like the M21 or the 7.62x54R DMR one that I've forgotten the name of either, according to them.  But crappy American-made AKs with self-destructing headspace? Heck to the yeah!
The AES-20B (to follow the Cugir naming pattern) has been a fantasy of mine for a long time. |
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Posted: 2/6/2017 11:37:48 PM EDT
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Better is easy. The Texas Weapon Systems dogleg top cover is arguably a better solution (which is why it was used and copied by the Russians). The Sabrewerks KOP system is absolutely, unequivocally better than any other option in its space, but that comes at a not insignificant cost. Really, the one thing Sabrewerks needs to do is design an optic mount for their system that puts a 1-X optic as low as possible and it would be the perfect mount system for those willing to pay to play. Yeah...no. Nope. Not at all I don't think you have used the ZenitCo B33 system, if you did you would know why it's the best. I have the TWS and the Zenitco, no question that Zenitco is the better system. Do you know what B22 is? Any experience with it at all? Doesn't sound like it The Sabreworks is only suitable for red dots. How are you going to mount magnifiers, thermals or other optics that need a lot of rail space? Zenitco is the better option here too Z |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 12:14:59 AM EDT
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Kit with barrels for under $100. Except you wouldn't see any because I wouldn't make the same mistake I did last time. Instead of a couple dozen I'd buy all of them  
But yeah, I'd love to see that again. |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 12:18:16 AM EDT
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I am watching this thread to see if there are any good ideas here. I think we all know that $300 Saigas, Russian SVD's, and a lot of other things here are wishful thinking/pure fantasy at this point, so what would you guys like to see that *realistically* is feasible? i.e Better optics mount options for the current AK? $999 9mm AK that takes MP5 mags? U.S. made balanced action AK? Those are a few I can think of off the top of my head that would be feasible with a proper investment of time, money, and R&D from a driven manufacturer. Sven Manticore Arms Oooohhh yeah. Balanced action AK that was reliable would be a day one buy for me. |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 1:04:22 AM EDT
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Yes and Yes the ones that were supposed to be in stock 3 weeks ago and shipping but are probably still on a boat in the Pacific somewhere.
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Im assuming you meant K-var? Are you talking about the non folding version? the 107R? |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 8:38:08 AM EDT
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Yes and Yes the ones that were supposed to be in stock 3 weeks ago and shipping but are probably still on a boat in the Pacific somewhere. 
Hope you get it soon. They charge your card yet ? |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 10:43:49 AM EDT
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The Russians copied the TWS dogleg? I hadn't heard that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The Russians copied the TWS dogleg? I hadn't heard that. I think it's more chicken vs egg but I'm putting money on the US-made cover coming first; TWS came out with their gen 2 top cover rail in 2011 or so, not sure when their first gen came out, and Larry Vickers commented on the Russians using the TWS cover (and Krebs safeties for that matter) in 2015. This is right around the same time we started seeing Russian-made railed top covers at Legion and a couple other websites but with limited availability. Molot has also had them on their shotguns for at least a couple years now. Quoted:
Yeah...no. Nope. Not at all I don't think you have used the ZenitCo B33 system, if you did you would know why it's the best. I have the TWS and the Zenitco, no question that Zenitco is the better system. Do you know what B22 is? Any experience with it at all? Doesn't sound like it The Sabreworks is only suitable for red dots. How are you going to mount magnifiers, thermals or other optics that need a lot of rail space? Zenitco is the better option here too Z I'm familiar with the Zenitco B-33 system. It is stable but part of a heavy overall system that requires the B-10M or B-30 handguards. The only real draw of the system is that it's Russian and it's strong, not that it is objectively better as an optics mount. I am not familiar with the B-22. The Sabrewerks system is just fine for all of what you mention. It doesn't take more than a minute looking at this page on their website to see that. You can use a standard long pic rail if you want to use a magnifier behind a red dot (I hate magnifiers myself, but to each their own). That pic rail can also support thermal or night vision scopes if you use them, providing they attach via standard picatinny rail. Or you can use more specialized mounts, of which they have several. Once they make a slightly lower mount specifically for lower magnification 1-X's that have lower 1/3 cowitness with the front sight then they'll be basically perfect as far as an optic mounting system and they are mounting to the most stable part of the rifle. |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 11:01:44 AM EDT
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An American made reliable and affordable forged receiver with a hammer forged barrel AK.
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Posted: 2/7/2017 11:05:04 AM EDT
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How about a quick change barrel system. Make it with a RPK type receiver and trunnion.
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Posted: 2/7/2017 11:18:09 AM EDT
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How about a quick change barrel system. Make it with a RPK type receiver and trunnion. Is this even possible without redesigning both the receiver and the piston system? At that point we're talking about a completely different rifle. |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 12:27:27 PM EDT
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Century, a master at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
No one wants the modernized AKs coming out of Zastava like the M21 or the 7.62x54R DMR one that I've forgotten the name of either, according to them. But crappy American-made AKs with self-destructing headspace? Heck to the yeah!
The AES-20B (to follow the Cugir naming pattern) has been a fantasy of mine for a long time. The M91. There was talk in 2013/2014 of importing it. Then the whole idea seemed to have disappeared. http://www.zastava-arms.rs/en/militaryproduct/sniper-rifle-m91 |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 12:46:41 PM EDT
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Is this even possible without redesigning both the receiver and the piston system? At that point we're talking about a completely different rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How about a quick change barrel system. Make it with a RPK type receiver and trunnion. Is this even possible without redesigning both the receiver and the piston system? At that point we're talking about a completely different rifle. I wouldn't think it would be too difficult. I'd look at designing the barrel to have the RSB and handguard attached to it so you wont have to mess with the gas tube. The carrier could have a locking mech to change piston lengths. |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 1:25:05 PM EDT
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The Russians copied the TWS dogleg? I hadn't heard that. Sort of, from what I can tell it was the Ukrainians. https://www.legionusa.com/me-ak-receiver-dust-cover-with-picatinny.html |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 1:33:59 PM EDT
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Sort of, from what I can tell it was the Ukrainians. https://www.legionusa.com/me-ak-receiver-dust-cover-with-picatinny.html I think you're right and I may stand corrected. I had thought Russia made its own version but now I can't find what I thought they made in the web stores. |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 1:34:43 PM EDT
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Yeah...no. Nope. Not at all I don't think you have used the ZenitCo B33 system, if you did you would know why it's the best. I have the TWS and the Zenitco, no question that Zenitco is the better system. Do you know what B22 is? Any experience with it at all? Doesn't sound like it The Sabreworks is only suitable for red dots. How are you going to mount magnifiers, thermals or other optics that need a lot of rail space? Zenitco is the better option here too Z Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Better is easy. The Texas Weapon Systems dogleg top cover is arguably a better solution (which is why it was used and copied by the Russians). The Sabrewerks KOP system is absolutely, unequivocally better than any other option in its space, but that comes at a not insignificant cost. Really, the one thing Sabrewerks needs to do is design an optic mount for their system that puts a 1-X optic as low as possible and it would be the perfect mount system for those willing to pay to play. Yeah...no. Nope. Not at all I don't think you have used the ZenitCo B33 system, if you did you would know why it's the best. I have the TWS and the Zenitco, no question that Zenitco is the better system. Do you know what B22 is? Any experience with it at all? Doesn't sound like it The Sabreworks is only suitable for red dots. How are you going to mount magnifiers, thermals or other optics that need a lot of rail space? Zenitco is the better option here too Z This ^. Zenitco is just better in my opinion. |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 3:12:08 PM EDT
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Can we get back on topic please?
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Posted: 2/7/2017 4:47:23 PM EDT
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Saiga mk-107
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Posted: 2/7/2017 10:38:06 PM EDT
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The counter balance Ak-107
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Posted: 2/9/2017 8:45:23 AM EDT
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I wouldn't think it would be too difficult. I'd look at designing the barrel to have the RSB and handguard attached to it so you wont have to mess with the gas tube. The carrier could have a locking mech to change piston lengths. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 8:59:40 PM EDT
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Zastava actually made one version of their RPK with a quick change barrel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wouldn't think it would be too difficult. I'd look at designing the barrel to have the RSB and handguard attached to it so you wont have to mess with the gas tube. The carrier could have a locking mech to change piston lengths. Hmmmm. I'd like to see that. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 9:07:30 PM EDT
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Hey Sven, I think we wanna see some quad mags at a reasonable price.
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Posted: 2/12/2017 7:38:17 AM EDT
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A side folding stock for fixed stock trunions, that doesn't look like dog shit. Magpul Zhukov isn't terrible, but I'd like something more traditional looking.
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Posted: 2/12/2017 12:45:04 PM EDT
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A side folding stock for fixed stock trunions, that doesn't look like dog shit. Magpul Zhukov isn't terrible, but I'd like something more traditional looking. I'd like a fixed stock for side folding trunnions.
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Posted: 2/12/2017 5:39:33 PM EDT
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Hmmmm. I'd like to see that. |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 7:13:13 PM EDT
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1. I'd like to see someone make basically a copy of a Russian triangle (folding) stock, but make it a fixed stock that works on AKM's and attaches just like a regular stock.
2. Better grips. Lose the angle some, add palmswells, make them big enough for larger hands. The new Magpul K2 AK grip is not bad, something like a cross between it and the Stark AK grip would be perfect. 3. Skeletonized metal grip frames. Make roughly a copy of a CZ or 1911 grip for an AK, including the ability to use custom grip panels that those handguns normally use (the variety here is endless). Mod actual magazine for that pistol and turn into a grip insert and even retain the mag release button to use for insert catch/release. How cool would that be? 4. Mid length handguards. Just to the gas block . And I don't mean by cutting off your handguard retainer, the system Troy uses for their long handguards works perfectly. And a top handguard/gas tube setup so the top handguard runs the entire length of the tube like the Vepr set-up from BHA. Then maybe i'd quit burning my f***ing thumb on the exposed portion of the gas tube occasionally. 5. Wouldn't mind seeing an M10 type rifle with 14.5 barrel and permed FH of my choice to bring it to 16. Great balance on the combo GB/FSB guns, losing an extra inch of barrel even better, no bayo lug or side mount (just extra weight), maybe even with a fluted barrel, thinking sub 6 pound AK here. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 9:23:10 PM EDT
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1. I'd like to see someone make basically a copy of a Russian triangle (folding) stock, but make it a fixed stock that works on AKM's and attaches just like a regular stock. 2. Better grips. Lose the angle some, add palmswells, make them big enough for larger hands. The new Magpul K2 AK grip is not bad, something like a cross between it and the Stark AK grip would be perfect. 3. Skeletonized metal grip frames. Make roughly a copy of a CZ or 1911 grip for an AK, including the ability to use custom grip panels that those handguns normally use (the variety here is endless). Mod actual magazine for that pistol and turn into a grip insert and even retain the mag release button to use for insert catch/release. How cool would that be? 4. Mid length handguards. Just to the gas block . And I don't mean by cutting off your handguard retainer, the system Troy uses for their long handguards works perfectly. And a top handguard/gas tube setup so the top handguard runs the entire length of the tube like the Vepr set-up from BHA. Then maybe i'd quit burning my f***ing thumb on the exposed portion of the gas tube occasionally. 5. Wouldn't mind seeing an M10 type rifle with 14.5 barrel and permed FH of my choice to bring it to 16. Great balance on the combo GB/FSB guns, losing an extra inch of barrel even better, no bayo lug or side mount (just extra weight), maybe even with a fluted barrel, thinking sub 6 pound AK here. Quoted for truth. Every suggestion listed is a solid one. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 9:46:20 PM EDT
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RPKs and SVDs
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Posted: 2/23/2017 11:53:50 AM EDT
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I say SVDs too.
I'd really just be happy with the barrel ban gone and parts kits rolling back in along with cheap 5.45 again. Saigas too. I like building them up. |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 7:00:52 PM EDT
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I want to see Type-3 Soviet AK-47 clones and for zero modern AKs to be called 47 unless they are said clones. 99% of AK"47"s on the market are AKM/74 looking hybrids.
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Posted: 2/24/2017 3:50:47 AM EDT
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1. I'd like to see someone make basically a copy of a Russian triangle (folding) stock, but make it a fixed stock that works on AKM's and attaches just like a regular stock. 2. Better grips. Lose the angle some, add palmswells, make them big enough for larger hands. The new Magpul K2 AK grip is not bad, something like a cross between it and the Stark AK grip would be perfect. 3. Skeletonized metal grip frames. Make roughly a copy of a CZ or 1911 grip for an AK, including the ability to use custom grip panels that those handguns normally use (the variety here is endless). Mod actual magazine for that pistol and turn into a grip insert and even retain the mag release button to use for insert catch/release. How cool would that be? 4. Mid length handguards. Just to the gas block . And I don't mean by cutting off your handguard retainer, the system Troy uses for their long handguards works perfectly. And a top handguard/gas tube setup so the top handguard runs the entire length of the tube like the Vepr set-up from BHA. Then maybe i'd quit burning my f***ing thumb on the exposed portion of the gas tube occasionally. 5. Wouldn't mind seeing an M10 type rifle with 14.5 barrel and permed FH of my choice to bring it to 16. Great balance on the combo GB/FSB guns, losing an extra inch of barrel even better, no bayo lug or side mount (just extra weight), maybe even with a fluted barrel, thinking sub 6 pound AK here. 1 Exists: The stock you want 3 is coming in a version from Circle 10 as well ( I designed it for them ) 
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Posted: 2/24/2017 4:07:10 AM EDT
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I've wanted one since I was a kid. Someday..... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qQC_VH3gsLo/TiXIVZua79I/AAAAAAAAAGc/7WcKeUBO9pc/s1600/Dragunov+3.gif This |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 5:41:28 AM EDT
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Bulgarian SAM7 classic rifles for sale at a realistic price. Paying $1000 extra for a 45 degree gas block is insane.
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Posted: 2/24/2017 5:43:21 AM EDT
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An American made reliable and affordable forged receiver with a hammer forged barrel AK. DDI was cranking them out and then stopped. Funny you should post that. I e-mailed them tonight at work about their AK-47L or R or M or whatever milled AK they sold in 2015 and said they had no plans to produce them anymore. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 12:47:55 PM EDT
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I contribute this as a total noob, and realize it might be impossible: a drop in rear sight leaf graduated for yards, not meters. I've never been to a range where things were measured in meters. It's always yards and feet.
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Posted: 2/25/2017 12:49:59 PM EDT
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Bulgie milled uf & rpk a bulgarian milled underfolder is currently offered by arsenal/kvar corp I just bought two
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Posted: 2/27/2017 1:17:39 AM EDT
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I contribute this as a total noob, and realize it might be impossible: a drop in rear sight leaf graduated for yards, not meters. I've never been to a range where things were measured in meters. It's always yards and feet. Cheers, Jack Yards and meters are close enough it will not make a difference in real world application, certainly not under 500 yards/meters. |
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Posted: 2/28/2017 12:39:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:AKs are cheap because they are manufactured by the millions on tooling paid for by State owned factories, not because they are an inexpensive design The AK is cheap because it is far simpler, manufactured from easier to procure and work materials with more generous tolerances (particularly in it's AKM form) than it's near peers. That is, in fact, one of the driving elements of it's design (simple, rugged, easy to manufacture, cheap, and easily mobilized production). If the AK were to enjoy the same level of automation and distribution in product production that is seen among AR's in the US then the price would be below that of the AR. You are, unfortunately, looking at prices in the US that have nothing to do with the actual cost of production of a mature platform. Instead, you are looking at an artificially constrained market due to restrictions on importation or an immature market that lacks the industrial configuration that existed in the Soviet Union. These are not comparable prices and you are, surprisingly, one of the first people I have ever heard make the argument that the AK is not an "inexpensive design" among near peers and I have, frankly, no idea where one would get such an idea. |
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Posted: 2/28/2017 12:59:43 AM EDT
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308 Dragunov
Sometimes I think I need more guns, then I go shooting and realize I would rather have more ammo and a lot of steel targets on a private range. |
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Posted: 2/28/2017 1:28:39 AM EDT
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The AK is cheap because it is far simpler, manufactured from easier to procure and work materials with more generous tolerances (particularly in it's AKM form) than it's near peers. That is, in fact, one of the driving elements of it's design (simple, rugged, easy to manufacture, cheap, and easily mobilized production). If the AK were to enjoy the same level of automation and distribution in product production that is seen among AR's in the US then the price would be below that of the AR. You are, unfortunately, looking at prices in the US that have nothing to do with the actual cost of production of a mature platform. Instead, you are looking at an artificially constrained market due to restrictions on importation or an immature market that lacks the industrial configuration that existed in the Soviet Union. These are not comparable prices and you are, surprisingly, one of the first people I have ever heard make the argument that the AK is not an "inexpensive design" among near peers and I have, frankly, no idea where one would get such an idea. You should compare the tool sets used to make a stamped rifle with the tool sets to make a CNC and MIM rifle. Stampings have been losing ground to cheaper CNC and molded parts. I have a S&W Model 41 with a sheet metal follower, nowadays it is much cheaper to mold a follower or MIM one. Stampings require specialized dies that wear out. CNC does not generally require specialized tooling. MIM does not wear out molds. Sure joe blow can do a stamped receiver in his garage out of a shovel, but man hours equals dollars in manufacturing. Bottom line stamping is not the lowest priced route unless you are manufacturing in large quantities. BTW the AKM has generous clearance. Space between parts. Tolerance is leeway from a specification when making parts. Many of the AKM variants were tightly regulated on their allowed tolerance. Finnish Valmet vs Romanian WASR is a good example. |
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Posted: 2/28/2017 9:23:36 AM EDT
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BTW the AKM has generous clearance. Space between parts. Tolerance is leeway from a specification when making parts. Many of the AKM variants were tightly regulated on their allowed tolerance. Finnish Valmet vs Romanian WASR is a good example. Thank you, now I don't have to type that up myself.
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Posted: 2/28/2017 4:17:43 PM EDT
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1 Exists: The stock you want 3 is coming in a version from Circle 10 as well ( I designed it for them ) http://www.km3solutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/untitled.177.jpg Yeah I found that stock last week, should have posted a followup here. That grip looks pretty cool, but doesn't have the features I described that were my reason for suggesting the grip. Kinda looks like the zenitco grip or one of the knockoffs i've seen (that were a metric ton cheaper than the zenitco). |
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Posted: 2/28/2017 4:20:41 PM EDT
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-x54r Vepr with proper double stack mags
-Molot AKM and 74, no interest in HBAR and heavy receiver -proper US made FCG |
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Posted: 2/28/2017 7:24:24 PM EDT
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20" psl barrels and American made AK's with standard threaded barrels for commonly used muzzle devices.
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Posted: 3/1/2017 12:29:28 AM EDT
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How much did the SDVS set you back??
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Posted: 3/1/2017 9:06:59 AM EDT
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Better optics mount options for the current AK? Sven Manticore Arms That alone would be a quantum leap, IMO. |
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Posted: 3/1/2017 11:29:01 PM EDT
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You should compare the tool sets used to make a stamped rifle with the tool sets to make a CNC and MIM rifle. Stampings have been losing ground to cheaper CNC and molded parts. I have a S&W Model 41 with a sheet metal follower, nowadays it is much cheaper to mold a follower or MIM one. Stampings require specialized dies that wear out. CNC does not generally require specialized tooling. MIM does not wear out molds. Sure joe blow can do a stamped receiver in his garage out of a shovel, but man hours equals dollars in manufacturing. Bottom line stamping is not the lowest priced route unless you are manufacturing in large quantities. BTW the AKM has generous clearance. Space between parts. Tolerance is leeway from a specification when making parts. Many of the AKM variants were tightly regulated on their allowed tolerance. Finnish Valmet vs Romanian WASR is a good example. "Tool sets used" are only one part of the cost though so, no, we should not simply consider tool sets. Further, tool sets used (currently) and tool sets required are not nearly the same thing. The industrial base and CAPEX to produce the equipment needed to make a stamping is FAR below that to make a CNC and MIM product. Now, since you brought economies of scale into the picture, are you then arguing that AK's are low volume products and it's near peers are high volume products thereby making the AK more expensive? If so, I'd love for you to back that up with some production numbers. As for your issue with tolerances, engineering tolerance is indeed range acceptable when making a part which is what we would be looking at on the manufacturing side. The design side would have dealt with clearances. My post dealt with manufacturing as it related to the design not vice versa. The manufacturing of AK's is indeed inexpensive because the design accommodates large amounts of leeway in production specifications. Simply because one variant MAY have better QC resulting in tighter tolerances does not change this in slightest. It's like saying AR's are astronomically expensive because some boutique makes a highly modified version which costs $3k when Colt or FN turns them over for $600. |
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