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Posted: 1/17/2017 11:22:34 PM EDT
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Why not use Russian or Bulgarian? Not necessarily cheap but industry standard so speak, and plentiful. Zero chance of it being soft or out of spec somehow plus no waiting
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Posted: 1/18/2017 10:21:49 AM EDT
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Where's a good place to get them?
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Posted: 1/18/2017 10:46:43 AM EDT
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Where's a good place to get them? "russian surplus" might be a nice phrase to plug into the ol' googly machine. 
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Posted: 1/18/2017 11:26:15 AM EDT
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Also Legion USA
I would check with Alex at Russian Surplus first. He's a stand up guy and many of have us have spent a ton of money over the years with him |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 11:36:21 AM EDT
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Also Legion USA I would check with Alex at Russian Surplus first. He's a stand up guy and many of have us have spent a ton of money over the years with him Just be advised he's out until 21 January so may not respond until then. So if you send something and don't hear back for a couple days, try to avoid blasting all the forums about how he doesn't care about sales and is a big mean jerkface.
On a more serious note I've done business with him a few times and always come out a very happy camper. |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 12:15:02 PM EDT
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manticore arms?
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Posted: 1/18/2017 12:50:58 PM EDT
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If going with a triangle style stock. Here are the parts.
4.5 mm pin trunnion Stock for said 4.5mm trunnion Russian 5.5mm triangle folder with trunnion Russian 5.5mm polymer folder with trunnion |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 1:46:35 PM EDT
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Prices are not so bad, considering the Taiwanese one is ~$200 IIRC.
Any reason to go 4.5mm over 5.5mm or vice-versa? |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 1:57:45 PM EDT
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Not really no. The Russians went to 5.5mm to help with the longevity of millions of rifles in service but for the likes of us, no, it wouldn't have any practical effect
Just have a PG plate installed so that if you do ever drop it with the stock folded you'll have the best chance to not warp the receiver in the unlikely event it strikes hard directly on the pistol grip Z |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 2:48:01 PM EDT
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You're referring to the plate that welds to the inside of the receiver above the pistol grip?
like this? |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 3:00:11 PM EDT
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Yes sir that is the one
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Posted: 1/18/2017 6:30:46 PM EDT
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Great! Now I just have to decide on the polymer stock or the triangle stock I was originally set on. Lol
Maybe I'll have to end up with both. Lol |
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Posted: 1/18/2017 7:35:39 PM EDT
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You will end up with both. There is literally no way to avoid it ;)
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Posted: 1/18/2017 8:09:25 PM EDT
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May as well get an extra trunion then too. Lol
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Posted: 1/18/2017 11:21:57 PM EDT
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May as well get an extra trunion then too. Lol why would you need a second trunnion to swap stocks? |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 7:55:54 AM EDT
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A second trunnion is just going to turn into a second rifle if you're anything like I am with AR parts. I've had furniture sets lying around that I had to build into a new rifle before, so the second stock may even be too dangerous.
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Posted: 1/19/2017 8:49:57 AM EDT
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If I was going this route, I'd go with the 5.5 triangle stock, then buy a 5.5 poly stock to go with it. You see far more 5.5 poly stocks for sale then you do the triangle stocks, at least that's been my experience.
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Posted: 1/19/2017 1:54:02 PM EDT
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why would you need a second trunnion to swap stocks? I have more parts kits. Lol |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 9:53:35 AM EDT
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Check out AK Builder. They have the complete setup for under $175. They are well-made and tough to beat. I have one and it has zero issues.
http://ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30258 I recommend this one because if you want, at some point, to change your stock out for something else (AR stock adapter), most of the aftermarket adapters are made for the 4.5mm rear trunnions. There aren't many stock adapters for the 5.5mm trunnion. This one has an AK Builder setup: 
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Posted: 1/23/2017 10:01:49 AM EDT
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Check out AK Builder. They have the complete setup for under $175. They are well-made and tough to beat. I have one and it has zero issues. Those are the Taiwanese manufactured units which have been questionable in the past. Given the minor price bump by way of comparison to pick up an authentic proper Bulgarian unit, the knowledge that it wasn't made intended for airsoft is a big plus. |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 4:43:26 PM EDT
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What is the difference in these two stocks/trunions?
I don't see anything different except the one talks about a push button and the stock is US made. with push button no push button? Can I put a triangle stock on either one? Thanks for the help. Looks like I waited too long and the triangle stocks with trunions are gone. |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 6:37:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/18/2017 7:01:52 PM EDT
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What is the difference in these two stocks/trunions? I don't see anything different except the one talks about a push button and the stock is US made. with push button no push button? Can I put a triangle stock on either one? Thanks for the help. Looks like I waited too long and the triangle stocks with trunions are gone. "With pushbutton" AK-LSFBHR is the original style 4.5mm folder that the Russians originally used, and the Bulgarians still use "No pushbutton" AK-432R is the modern Russian 5.5mm with civilian folding trunnion and civilian retaining pin 
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Posted: 2/19/2017 1:54:33 PM EDT
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Is there a functional difference between the military and civilian trunnion?
Thanks for the help! |
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Posted: 2/19/2017 2:24:57 PM EDT
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Not for us no. The civilian trunnions have linkages to prevent the weapon from firing with the stock folded but we do not install the additional components. It's purely an aesthetic/collector issue over here
Also the civilian trunnions are only Russian, and only for 5.5mm folders. Bulgarian and older Russian 4.5mm folders (and all Russian AKSU's) do not have a civilian version Z |
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Posted: 2/19/2017 4:25:15 PM EDT
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That clears it up. Thank you.
I'm guessing that it's easier to find a 4.5mm triangle folder than a 5.5mm? |
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Posted: 2/19/2017 7:38:01 PM EDT
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I have used both a genuine Bulgarian stock/trunnion kit and the AK builder Taiwanese kit. I had to remove .025 from each side of the Taiwanese trunnion, and re chamfer the rivet holes, to fit it in the 1.5mm receiver. the trunnion was defiantly not soft, and the welds on the Taiwan stock look better. I'd have no issues using another kit from AK builder, oh yeah here's pics the M85 has the AK builder kit the M92 has the Bulgy kit.
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Posted: 2/19/2017 9:11:49 PM EDT
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I see some of you folks mentioning that some of the other manufactured traingle stocks are using "soft" steel. I have a Taiwanese made triangle stock for an AK74 build. Is the g2g or is it one of the lesser quality steels?
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Posted: 2/19/2017 9:44:32 PM EDT
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I see some of you folks mentioning that some of the other manufactured traingle stocks are using "soft" steel. I have a Taiwanese made triangle stock for an AK74 build. Is the g2g or is it one of the lesser quality steels? The Taiwan stocks and trunnions are good to go, I've never read of one issue anyone has had when using them. before I bought the kit I did a lot of searching over at AKfiles and plenty of respected builders have used them with no issues. I'm thinking the members in this thread are mistaking the Taiwanese stuff for those soft POS trunnions built by DPH. |
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Posted: 2/20/2017 9:21:43 AM EDT
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That clears it up. Thank you. I'm guessing that it's easier to find a 4.5mm triangle folder than a 5.5mm? Probably yes. There have been a large influx of Russian/Soviet 4.5 triangle stocks on the market recently, however there are enough 5.5 triangles in circulation you shouldn't have to look too long. Z |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 8:08:03 PM EDT
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You will end up with both. There is literally no way to avoid it ;) I often wonder who has the bigger parts bin, AK or AR owners. I look at my parts and I think my AK shit doubles my AR shit. For the OP, AKB's Taiwanese triangle folder and trunnion are fine. I have one on my AMD-65 kit and it serves its purpose well. However, it will probably end up being the only triangle folder in my safe unless I can fab up a cheek riser. It's okay for irons, but less than ideal for optics). |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 2:24:40 PM EDT
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I just ordered the 4.5mm hinge from k-var and a stock from a guy in the EE. I'm right around $200 after shipping. (Good Lord k-var is proud of their shipping)
I still need to order a flat and reinforcement plate from ak builder. I'm hoping to start building by Christmas. Lol |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 7:06:31 PM EDT
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I just ordered the 4.5mm hinge from k-var and a stock from a guy in the EE. I'm right around $200 after shipping. (Good Lord k-var is proud of their shipping) I still need to order a flat and reinforcement plate from ak builder. I'm hoping to start building by Christmas. Lol |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 7:40:58 PM EDT
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If you call to place the order, they'll mail it usps to save you $. Not sure why they don't offer that on Web orders.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:09:22 PM EDT
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Shipping was $17 on just the trunnion/kit
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:12:43 PM EDT
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They do. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 10:22:26 PM EDT
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It didn't give me the option to ship via anything but UPS when I placed an order about a month ago. Maybe doesn't show up on the mobile browser? Either way, I called and placed the order and it saved me on shipping. |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 2:40:20 PM EDT
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Every time I order from KVar, every single time, I put in the comments that their shipping prices are outrageous. No one has ever replied or called me before, but on this last order of floor plates I noticed they knocked 10 bucks off the shipping
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Posted: 4/4/2017 4:45:08 PM EDT
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You ask for the cheapest shipping option in the order comments. It'll show the UPS option in your order confirmation, but your card will clear with the cheaper shipping option. |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 5:43:37 PM EDT
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On small items, K-Var will sometimes adjust the shipping expense. Not always, as they don't seem consistent in doing so.
K-Var doesn't offer USPS on their site during checkout. I no longer use their site to place orders. I call them, and choose the shipping method. FWIW, K-Var will have a new website soon. |
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Posted: 4/4/2017 6:39:02 PM EDT
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On small items, K-Var will sometimes adjust the shipping expense. Not always, as they don't seem consistent in doing so. K-Var doesn't offer USPS on their site during checkout. I no longer use their site to place orders. I call them, and choose the shipping method. FWIW, K-Var will have a new website soon. |
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Posted: 4/7/2017 11:30:00 AM EDT
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I received my stock. It is quite a bit smaller than I was expecting.
Is there a rubber butt pad that will screw/bolt onto these stocks? Thanks |
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Posted: 4/7/2017 1:02:20 PM EDT
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I received my stock. It is quite a bit smaller than I was expecting. Is there a rubber butt pad that will screw/bolt onto these stocks? Thanks |
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Posted: 4/7/2017 2:26:52 PM EDT
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I received my stock. It is quite a bit smaller than I was expecting. Is there a rubber butt pad that will screw/bolt onto these stocks? Thanks They work with underfolders and the wire-style sidefolders too. I find it makes the length just right for them. The Legion one looks like it allow the stock to latch in the folded position though. |
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