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Posted: 2/28/2016 7:50:31 PM EDT
Title pretty much says it all.
I've got mine sighted at 100 yards with a 6 o'clock hold, but I'm sure the Russian military does it different.
Link Posted: 2/28/2016 7:58:21 PM EDT
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Title pretty much says it all.
I've got mine sighted at 100 yards with a 6 o'clock hold, but I'm sure the Russian military does it different.
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Not saying Mr.Ski is always right but heres a video...i think he has another couple on them too.

Link Posted: 2/29/2016 12:03:17 AM EDT
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Zeroing at 21 meters (23 yards) with your sight set on 300 meters gets you a 300 meter zero on a 74 and a 200 meter zero for a 47 when set on 200.
Link Posted: 2/29/2016 12:24:27 AM EDT
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This gets brought up every 6 months or so.

Lots of ways to zero your AK depending on how you shoot and what you want to do with it


I personally set my rear sight leaf to the 200 meter setting,then zero at 25 yards then confirm at 200 yards.Leave the rear sight at the 200 meter setting

This gives me a pretty tight zero from 25 -225 yards.At 100 yards i use the 6 o'clock hold.

Read this post for the trajectory and you will see why i use the 25/200 zero.This works out very well for me vs the 100 yard zero

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1885848&postcount=44


Link Posted: 2/29/2016 6:25:38 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/1/2016 9:49:37 PM EDT
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Title pretty much says it all.
I've got mine sighted at 100 yards with a 6 o'clock hold, but I'm sure the Russian military does it different.
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If you were on the center at 100 with the rear sight on '1', you would be good. The rear sight would then be indexed so you would simply select the longer distances on it when needed. Or, you could set it on the 'battlesight' setting (the letter at the bottom) which is also the same as the '3' setting. This makes you quite high at 100 but does deliver torso hits from 0 to 350. When I had AKs with the rear sight intact I set mine on the '1' and left it there. Now I only have one AK and it has a red-dot.
Link Posted: 3/14/2016 2:26:48 AM EDT
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Going to zero in my Draco tomorrow with this formula. I like the numbers involved, I might redo the whole herd. Thanks.

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This gets brought up every 6 months or so.

Lots of ways to zero your AK depending on how you shoot and what you want to do with it


I personally set my rear sight leaf to the 200 meter setting,then zero at 25 yards then confirm at 200 yards.Leave the rear sight at the 200 meter setting

This gives me a pretty tight zero from 25 -225 yards.At 100 yards i use the 6 o'clock hold.
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Link Posted: 3/14/2016 3:44:46 AM EDT
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Easiest one for me is the Black Heart International target.

Very stupid easy.

14 meters and it is zeroed for 200.

http://www.amarillogunowners.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5398.0;attach=6107
Link Posted: 3/14/2016 10:42:57 PM EDT
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Going to zero in my Draco tomorrow with this formula. I like the numbers involved, I might redo the whole herd. Thanks.


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Going to zero in my Draco tomorrow with this formula. I like the numbers involved, I might redo the whole herd. Thanks.

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This gets brought up every 6 months or so.

Lots of ways to zero your AK depending on how you shoot and what you want to do with it


I personally set my rear sight leaf to the 200 meter setting,then zero at 25 yards then confirm at 200 yards.Leave the rear sight at the 200 meter setting

This gives me a pretty tight zero from 25 -225 yards.At 100 yards i use the 6 o'clock hold.



Your welcome.

I used to do the 25 yard zero at the 100 meter rear setting then set back the rear sight to the battle setting like a lot of folks do.

I like the 25/200 much better once i tried it, and set all of my AK's to this setting.

Just remember to use a 6 o'clock hold at on anything under 100 yards and you will be gtg.

Takes some getting used to but i think you will like it
Link Posted: 3/14/2016 10:50:46 PM EDT
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Worked out good, I'd throw up a pic but in the two years I've been here I haven't yet hit the 50 posts needed to do so
Link Posted: 3/14/2016 11:58:36 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/8/2016 6:13:41 PM EDT
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Is the "6 o'clock hold" where you aim for the belt line and the POI is 6-7" above that, as demonstrated in the AK Operators Union vids?

With the 25/200 zero, is the POI right at the top of the FSP as with an AR? How much higher is POI at 100 yds? 50 yds? I'd guess about 6-7" which is why it is recommended to use the 6 o'clock hold at 100 yds., but that seems excessive no?

What happens with POI when the rear leaf is set to battle zero or 100m? Are the other settings at all useful? Is BZ and 300m on the same plane?

Thanks! The method the AK OP Union guys use baffles me as I can't stand the idea of shooting / zeroing where the POI isn't spot on with the top of the FSP. Probably 90% of my range shooting will be at 50 yds.
Link Posted: 4/8/2016 6:44:10 PM EDT
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Is the "6 o'clock hold" where you aim for the belt line and the POI is 6-7" above that demonstrated in the AK Operators Union vids?

No,the belt line method is the Russian way of zeroing an AK.

You want to loli pop the sight onto the target like in this pic at 100 yards
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With the 25/200 zero, is the POI right at the top of the FSP as with an AR? How much higher is POI at 100 yds? 50 yds? I'd guess about 6-7" which is why it is recommended to use the 6 o'clock hold at 100 yds., but that seems excessive no?

At 100 yards if you dont use the 6 o'clock hold on a 25/200 zero on the 200 meter setting on your rear sight leaf you will be @3.4" high.At 50 yards you will be @1.5" high if you just line up the FSP with the target.Thats why its a good idea to use the 6 o'clock hold on anything under 100 yards.

What happens with POI when the rear leaf is set to battle zero or 100m? Are the other settings at all useful? Is BZ and 300m on the same plane?

BZ and 300 meter setting on the rear sight are the same.If you zero it at 25/200 on the 200 meter setting then put the rear sight at 100 or BZ you will change the zero considerably at all distances.You dont want to try to remember different hold overs and zero's for multiple setting on your rear sight.Find what works for you and leave it be.

Thanks! The method the AK OP Union guys use baffles me as I can't stand the idea of shooting / zeroing where the POI isn't spot on with the top of the FSP. Probably 90% of my range shooting will be at 50 yds.
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If your going to be shooting at mainly 50 yards,then i would set your rear sight leaf to 100 meter setting,zero your rifle to be dead on at 50 yards and leave the rear sight on the 100 meter setting.

Look at this chart.This is a 50 yard zero with the rear sight set at 100 meters and left at 100 meters.This is the way i used to zero all of my AK's,and it works really well out to about 150 -175 yards then it drops off badly.The 25/200 is better and easier for me and my use and is why i use it and prefer it over the 50/100 yard zero


Link Posted: 4/8/2016 8:07:40 PM EDT
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If your going to be shooting at mainly 50 yards,then i would set your rear sight leaf to 100 meter setting,zero your rifle to be dead on at 50 yards and leave the rear sight on the 100 meter setting.

Look at this chart.This is a 50 yard zero with the rear sight set at 100 meters and left at 100 meters.This is the way i used to zero all of my AK's,and it works really well out to about 150 -175 yards then it drops off badly.The 25/200 is better and easier for me and my use and is why i use it and prefer it over the 50/100 yard zero


<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/schenninge/media/GUN%20STUFF/55d65e40a698e2f831bfbb1c859270d6_zps01e4e167.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/schenninge/GUN%20STUFF/55d65e40a698e2f831bfbb1c859270d6_zps01e4e167.jpg</a>
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Is the "6 o'clock hold" where you aim for the belt line and the POI is 6-7" above that demonstrated in the AK Operators Union vids?

No,the belt line method is the Russian way of zeroing an AK.

You want to loli pop the sight onto the target like in this pic at 100 yards
http://<a href=http://i407.photobucket.com/albums/pp159/jparker223/SightPicture1.png</a>" />

With the 25/200 zero, is the POI right at the top of the FSP as with an AR? How much higher is POI at 100 yds? 50 yds? I'd guess about 6-7" which is why it is recommended to use the 6 o'clock hold at 100 yds., but that seems excessive no?

At 100 yards if you dont use the 6 o'clock hold on a 25/200 zero on the 200 meter setting on your rear sight leaf you will be @3.4" high.At 50 yards you will be @1.5" high if you just line up the FSP with the target.Thats why its a good idea to use the 6 o'clock hold on anything under 100 yards.

What happens with POI when the rear leaf is set to battle zero or 100m? Are the other settings at all useful? Is BZ and 300m on the same plane?

BZ and 300 meter setting on the rear sight are the same.If you zero it at 25/200 on the 200 meter setting then put the rear sight at 100 or BZ you will change the zero considerably at all distances.You dont want to try to remember different hold overs and zero's for multiple setting on your rear sight.Find what works for you and leave it be.

Thanks! The method the AK OP Union guys use baffles me as I can't stand the idea of shooting / zeroing where the POI isn't spot on with the top of the FSP. Probably 90% of my range shooting will be at 50 yds.


If your going to be shooting at mainly 50 yards,then i would set your rear sight leaf to 100 meter setting,zero your rifle to be dead on at 50 yards and leave the rear sight on the 100 meter setting.

Look at this chart.This is a 50 yard zero with the rear sight set at 100 meters and left at 100 meters.This is the way i used to zero all of my AK's,and it works really well out to about 150 -175 yards then it drops off badly.The 25/200 is better and easier for me and my use and is why i use it and prefer it over the 50/100 yard zero


<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/schenninge/media/GUN%20STUFF/55d65e40a698e2f831bfbb1c859270d6_zps01e4e167.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/schenninge/GUN%20STUFF/55d65e40a698e2f831bfbb1c859270d6_zps01e4e167.jpg</a>


Which is why the rear sight is ADJUSTABLE....I never understood the fascination with treating an adjustable rifle sight like a fixed pistol sight. The BSZ part I get, but it's just an average to allow you to put rounds on target at typical combat ranges. On a known distance range if you adjust your rear to the correct range setting you should be putting rounds where you want to on target every time, all other factors being roughly equal.

Set the BSZ at 50 meters and verify you're on target at 300 meters (AK rear sight is calibrated in meters, not yards). This should average out all your rear sight markings to their respective settings, until you start bringing temperature in the mix, but that's a conversation for another time...
Link Posted: 4/9/2016 1:02:39 AM EDT
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If your going to be shooting at mainly 50 yards,then i would set your rear sight leaf to 100 meter setting,zero your rifle to be dead on at 50 yards and leave the rear sight on the 100 meter setting.

Look at this chart.This is a 50 yard zero with the rear sight set at 100 meters and left at 100 meters.This is the way i used to zero all of my AK's,and it works really well out to about 150 -175 yards then it drops off badly.The 25/200 is better and easier for me and my use and is why i use it and prefer it over the 50/100 yard zero


<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/schenninge/media/GUN%20STUFF/55d65e40a698e2f831bfbb1c859270d6_zps01e4e167.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/schenninge/GUN%20STUFF/55d65e40a698e2f831bfbb1c859270d6_zps01e4e167.jpg</a>
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Is the "6 o'clock hold" where you aim for the belt line and the POI is 6-7" above that demonstrated in the AK Operators Union vids?

No,the belt line method is the Russian way of zeroing an AK.

You want to loli pop the sight onto the target like in this pic at 100 yards
http://<a href=http://i407.photobucket.com/albums/pp159/jparker223/SightPicture1.png</a>" />

With the 25/200 zero, is the POI right at the top of the FSP as with an AR? How much higher is POI at 100 yds? 50 yds? I'd guess about 6-7" which is why it is recommended to use the 6 o'clock hold at 100 yds., but that seems excessive no?

At 100 yards if you dont use the 6 o'clock hold on a 25/200 zero on the 200 meter setting on your rear sight leaf you will be @3.4" high.At 50 yards you will be @1.5" high if you just line up the FSP with the target.Thats why its a good idea to use the 6 o'clock hold on anything under 100 yards.

What happens with POI when the rear leaf is set to battle zero or 100m? Are the other settings at all useful? Is BZ and 300m on the same plane?

BZ and 300 meter setting on the rear sight are the same.If you zero it at 25/200 on the 200 meter setting then put the rear sight at 100 or BZ you will change the zero considerably at all distances.You dont want to try to remember different hold overs and zero's for multiple setting on your rear sight.Find what works for you and leave it be.

Thanks! The method the AK OP Union guys use baffles me as I can't stand the idea of shooting / zeroing where the POI isn't spot on with the top of the FSP. Probably 90% of my range shooting will be at 50 yds.


If your going to be shooting at mainly 50 yards,then i would set your rear sight leaf to 100 meter setting,zero your rifle to be dead on at 50 yards and leave the rear sight on the 100 meter setting.

Look at this chart.This is a 50 yard zero with the rear sight set at 100 meters and left at 100 meters.This is the way i used to zero all of my AK's,and it works really well out to about 150 -175 yards then it drops off badly.The 25/200 is better and easier for me and my use and is why i use it and prefer it over the 50/100 yard zero


<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/schenninge/media/GUN%20STUFF/55d65e40a698e2f831bfbb1c859270d6_zps01e4e167.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/schenninge/GUN%20STUFF/55d65e40a698e2f831bfbb1c859270d6_zps01e4e167.jpg</a>


Thx!!!
Link Posted: 4/9/2016 11:54:32 PM EDT
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Why would someone "lollipop" <100 yds. on 200m setting instead of just adjusting the rear down to BZ or 100m?

Since it appears my Wolf 123 gr FMJ is steel jacketed, I won't be able to sight it in at my usual range anyway. I will probably find a place to measure out 25m or 50m and either use BZ or 200m position. Would one be more preferable than the other?

Wouldn't POI be closer at 100 yds. with 50/300m zero than 25/200m, assuming you didn't want to adjust to 100m position?
Link Posted: 4/11/2016 4:46:28 PM EDT
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Why would someone "lollipop" <100 yds. on 200m setting instead of just adjusting the rear down to BZ or 100m?

Since it appears my Wolf 123 gr FMJ is steel jacketed, I won't be able to sight it in at my usual range anyway. I will probably find a place to measure out 25m or 50m and either use BZ or 200m position. Would one be more preferable than the other?

Wouldn't POI be closer at 100 yds. with 50/300m zero than 25/200m, assuming you didn't want to adjust to 100m position?
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Bullet impact will be basically the same at 50 and 100 meters. It should set all the other range settings as well. Don't take my word for it, zero @ 50 then verify @100, 200, 300, etc. Just remember AK rear sight is calibrated in meters, not yards. No that important at closer ranges but it does matter as range increases...

100m = 109yds.
200m = 218yds.
300m = 327yds.

Some people set their sights to suit a particular anticipated need, rather than setting the sights to the ranges indicated on the rear sight so the rifle performs at each range setting as it should. The AK isn't known for it's round's flat trajectory in 7.62 x 39mm.
Link Posted: 4/12/2016 6:13:19 PM EDT
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Somewhere I had gotten it stuck in my head that BZ=50/300m, but that would put the POI over 5" high at 50 yds!

I did some more searching and came across this post on another forum. He calibrated it to Tula FMJ in 7.62x39:

"A 100m (109y) zero has a near zero of 45-48 yards. It is -0.7" at 25 yards, and +0.1" at 50 yards. With generic ball from an AK with iron sights you probably can't shoot a tight enough group to tell group height within 0.1". So, for all practical purposes if you zero the AK at 50 yards with generic ball and the sights set for 100m your ladder will be on for whatever distance you set it to (assuming the ladder is calibrated correctly)."
Link Posted: 4/13/2016 6:44:49 AM EDT
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Dialed in my new OPAP @ 25/200 today.
This was a 5-shot group
Link Posted: 4/13/2016 9:49:56 PM EDT
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Nice, can't wait to get mine out.
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 11:18:52 PM EDT
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I have owned several Kalashnikov rifles through the years, but until recently I have never truly understood what they are capable of, specifically with regards to the sights and the ballistics of the 7.62x39mm Soviet round. There is a lot information available on internet bulletin boards and video websites, but much of it is contradictory, or just flat-out wrong. If enough people tell the same untruth on the internet with enough conviction and false authority, then it becomes truth. The problem is that the internet truths don’t necessarily make bullets hit where you want to. I’ve spent considerable time researching how to zero and employ Kalashnikov sights, and what trajectories to expect from the different sight settings. I have compared different techniques with ballistic charts and tables, and spent time on the rifle range proving and disproving the zeroing techniques and trajectories. I found that there some very smart people with some really slick techniques. There are also a lot of very credible sounding people who actually have no idea what they are talking about. Their techniques can’t be proved with ballistic charts and tables, or replicated on the range. I’ve carefully filtered out the BS and have provided a thorough explanation of Kalashnikov sights, the zeroing process, and ballistic trajectories from the different sight settings.

I have a new AR15.com account that limits my posts to 2000 characters and so I can't post everything here.  I have a WordPress account and have posted the explanation here.  I hope it helps.

Savannah Arsenal's How To Zero The AK-47
Link Posted: 4/23/2016 11:26:35 PM EDT
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Zeroing at 25 yards (not meters) with the "2" (2oo meter) setting is a great way to zero the rifle.  

You can also pull the sight leaf all the way back to the "Battle Setting" and hit point-of-aim / point-of-impact at 18 meters (19.6 yards) as the  "Battle Setting" is a 18 meter (19.6 yard) / 247 meter (270 yard) zero.
Link Posted: 4/24/2016 12:09:26 AM EDT
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This is a comparison of the trajectories that you can expect from 7.62x39mm Soviet ammo with the "Battle Setting", 100 meter setting, and 200 meter setting.

"Battle Setting":
The "Battle Setting" has the bullet cross point-of-aim at 18 meter (19.6 yards) and again at 247 meters (270 yards).  It will give you hits +/- 7" from the muzzle to approximately 320 yards. This is a good sight setting to initially zero your rifle.  After adjusting your front sight so that you are hitting point-of-aim / point-of-impact at 18 meters (19.6 yards), move your sight leaf to the "1" and verify your zero at 100 meters.

100 Meter Setting:
The 100 meter setting has the bullet cross point-of-aim at 49 meters (54 yards) and obviously again at 100 meters (109 yards). It will provide hits within +/- 5" out to 200 yards. This is the perfect setting for shooting at 50 yard and 100 yard ranges.

200 Meter Setting:
The 200 meter setting has the bullet cross point-of-aim at 23 meters (25 yards) and obviously again at 200 meters (218 yards). ]It will provide hits within +/- 5" out to 265 yards.  After zeroing at 25 yards with the "2", move your sight leaf to the "1" and verify your zero at 100 meters.  The "2" setting is also perfect for shooting at indoor ranges where you might be limited to 25 yards.

How To Zero The AK-47

Link Posted: 4/24/2016 10:14:56 AM EDT
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Hey, the "Battle Setting" is not the same as the "3" setting.  Set up a target at any distance... 25 yards will work just fine.  With the sight set to the "Battle Setting", shoot the tightest group that you can with the rifle rested.  Move the sight to the "3" setting and again shoot the tightest group that you can with the rifle rested.  The rounds don't impact in the same point.  That is the the most obvious evidence that the BS and 3 settings are not the same.

The BS setting is a 18 meter (19.6 yard) / 247 meter (270 yard) zero.

The attached graph shows the difference in the trajectories of two zeros.

It is interesting to note that at 300 yards, one of the trajectories has the round impact 4" high, and the other has the bullet impact 4" low.

Link Posted: 4/27/2016 10:09:36 PM EDT
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Very informative and easy to understand, thanks for taking the time!
Link Posted: 4/28/2016 5:31:30 PM EDT
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I do the 25/200 like Flyleaf, once I tried this I never tried any other way, just works too good. Works for a red-dot too.

FYI: I never see anybody at the range but me that does this, but I file a bevel on all my AK front sight posts to bring the tip to a fine point. At 100 yards the standard AK front sight post covers close to 7-8 inches side-to-side, not very good for precision shooting, and if you are shooting at different ranges, you can't always "lollipop" the target picture. A fine tip helps a lot when you need to use some kentucky windage due to range or wind.
Link Posted: 5/1/2016 7:07:25 AM EDT
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From a new AK owner, thanks for the great info.
Link Posted: 5/7/2016 11:49:40 AM EDT
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This thread, or one like it might be worth pinning to the top of this forum.  It seems like this question gets asked a lot and it is useful info especially for someone like myself that is not very experienced with the platform.

 
Link Posted: 5/8/2016 8:34:11 PM EDT
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FYI: I never see anybody at the range but me that does this, but I file a bevel on all my AK front sight posts to bring the tip to a fine point. At 100 yards the standard AK front sight post covers close to 7-8 inches side-to-side, not very good for precision shooting, and if you are shooting at different ranges, you can't always "lollipop" the target picture. A fine tip helps a lot when you need to use some kentucky windage due to range or wind.
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I tried turning my front sight post down with a drill press and a file and it did not turn out so straight.  I ended up going with Tech Sight front sight posts and they work great at providing a more precise sight picture.
Link Posted: 5/25/2016 9:28:56 PM EDT
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