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Posted: 6/19/2016 8:21:32 AM EDT
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Any update on magpuls analysis of this? They analyzed it and realized everyone forgot about it, so they didn't wan to bring it up again? I have a Zhukov stock, and my main problem with it is the latch. It's not really comfortable for me to press the button to fold it in any angle I've tried. It's flush with the stock and in a bad place to get my fingers on any way I try. I end up having to hold the rifle out and smash the button with my right thumb (trigger hand) and then whack it with my shoulder to get it to fold. I can do my Romanian wire folder with my hand still on the grip and just by tilting the rifle to the right so it folds itself. I'm hoping version 2 has a better latch mechanism. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 11:56:50 AM EDT
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We have been a bit slammed here with everything so the guys in engineering have not got the chance to write up the findings in a way suitable for an open forum.
Without getting into details the failure shown was due to a particular set of circumstances that are not common. The issue was a combination of elements present only when mortaring the stock on the tail of the buttpad. For this reason we recommend mortaring the Zukov stock at a 90 degree angle so the impact is on the top of the buttpad to avoid any possibility of this issue occurring. |
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Posted: 6/19/2016 1:58:31 PM EDT
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We have been a bit slammed here with everything so the guys in engineering have not got the chance to write up the findings in a way suitable for an open forum. Without getting into details the failure shown was due to a particular set of circumstances that are not common. The issue was a combination of elements present only when mortaring the stock on the tail of the buttpad. For this reason we recommend mortaring the Zukov stock at a 90 degree angle so the impact is on the top of the buttpad to avoid any possibility of this issue occurring. Cool thank you for the respone... I do love the feel and functionality of this stock.. I still can't wait for the 74 mags and aug mags whoot whoot 
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Posted: 6/20/2016 3:18:32 AM EDT
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We have been a bit slammed here with everything so the guys in engineering have not got the chance to write up the findings in a way suitable for an open forum. Is there an ETA on the writeup from engineering? Thanks. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:27:12 AM EDT
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So, Magpul contacted me within a day or so of that video going live. They swore they had never seen such a thing and asked if I would return the stock so they could examine it. They said they would send two more out for me to abuse on camera to prove it was a fluke and report back to me as to what their findings were regarding the failure. I got (1) replacement stock in the mail and since mailing the defective stock back they've gone completely radio silent. I've heard no reports as to their findings. I will take my one stock and the another one I bought and resume my testing. From what I saw of the failure and looking at the break point, I'm going with the hinge needs a sheet metal reenforcement molded into the hinge, which is what I told Magpul in our phone convo. I suspect that won't happen anytime soon given the tooling costs. They will sell these for a couple of years before they invest in V2. At this point I would suggest avoiding the Zhukov folding stock if you plan to put it on a "go to war" rifle. For a range plinker, it's fine. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 8:07:19 AM EDT
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I just pulled off the two Zhukov folders I installed a couple of months ago on my rifles. If you need a few more for evaluation, I will give them to you for free. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, Magpul contacted me within a day or so of that video going live. They swore they had never seen such a thing and asked if I would return the stock so they could examine it. They said they would send two more out for me to abuse on camera to prove it was a fluke and report back to me as to what their findings were regarding the failure. I got (1) replacement stock in the mail and since mailing the defective stock back they've gone completely radio silent. I've heard no reports as to their findings. I will take my one stock and the another one I bought and resume my testing. From what I saw of the failure and looking at the break point, I'm going with the hinge needs a sheet metal reenforcement molded into the hinge, which is what I told Magpul in our phone convo. I suspect that won't happen anytime soon given the tooling costs. They will sell these for a couple of years before they invest in V2. At this point I would suggest avoiding the Zhukov folding stock if you plan to put it on a "go to war" rifle. For a range plinker, it's fine. Very generous! I haven't frozen mine and mortared it at an angle yet so I'm still liking it and considering it an awesome stock that works great! 
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:31:58 PM EDT
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Bet he wouldn't have broke my wire sidefolder(Romanian lever) or a Bulgarian 4.5 triangle Bet he wouldn't have broken my Romanian Laminated stock either.... Sometimes Simple Old Tech is Best Tech... BIGGER_HAMMER 
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:35:35 PM EDT
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Kiss.... Haha simple and solid haha
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Posted: 7/1/2016 6:00:27 PM EDT
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I just pulled off the two Zhukov folders I installed a couple of months ago on my rifles. If you need a few more for evaluation, I will give them to you for free. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, Magpul contacted me within a day or so of that video going live. They swore they had never seen such a thing and asked if I would return the stock so they could examine it. They said they would send two more out for me to abuse on camera to prove it was a fluke and report back to me as to what their findings were regarding the failure. I got (1) replacement stock in the mail and since mailing the defective stock back they've gone completely radio silent. I've heard no reports as to their findings. I will take my one stock and the another one I bought and resume my testing. From what I saw of the failure and looking at the break point, I'm going with the hinge needs a sheet metal reenforcement molded into the hinge, which is what I told Magpul in our phone convo. I suspect that won't happen anytime soon given the tooling costs. They will sell these for a couple of years before they invest in V2. At this point I would suggest avoiding the Zhukov folding stock if you plan to put it on a "go to war" rifle. For a range plinker, it's fine. Uh, I'll take one for sure! Lol |
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Posted: 7/3/2016 2:35:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryVery generous! I haven't frozen mine and mortared it at an angle yet so I'm still liking it and considering it an awesome stock that works great!
The two Zhukov hand guards I put on my rifles a couple of months ago are awesome. Those are staying on my rifles. I replaced the Zhukov buttstocks with CNC Warrior's tubular Galil folding stocks. If Magpul releases a second generation Zhukov buttstock and charges a small upgrade fee to those who purchased their first generation buttstock to purchase the second generation buttstock, I might try it again. Magpul is a great company. Its good to see them doing things for the AK, and I am sure they will continue to do great things for the AK community, but I think they need to come clean on this one. |
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Posted: 7/3/2016 3:43:31 AM EDT
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The two Zhukov hand guards I put on my rifles a couple of months ago are awesome. Those are staying on my rifles. I replaced the Zhukov buttstocks with CNC Warrior's tubular Galil folding stocks. If Magpul releases a second generation Zhukov buttstock and charges a small upgrade fee to those who purchased their first generation buttstock to purchase the second generation buttstock, I might try it again. Magpul is a great company. Its good to see them doing things for the AK, and I am sure they will continue to do great things for the AK community, but I think they need to come clean on this one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Very generous! I haven't frozen mine and mortared it at an angle yet so I'm still liking it and considering it an awesome stock that works great!
The two Zhukov hand guards I put on my rifles a couple of months ago are awesome. Those are staying on my rifles. I replaced the Zhukov buttstocks with CNC Warrior's tubular Galil folding stocks. If Magpul releases a second generation Zhukov buttstock and charges a small upgrade fee to those who purchased their first generation buttstock to purchase the second generation buttstock, I might try it again. Magpul is a great company. Its good to see them doing things for the AK, and I am sure they will continue to do great things for the AK community, but I think they need to come clean on this one. Your stocks broke too?  If not, you must have had other reasons for bailing. That video made me think, "hmm... Interesting ." It damn sure didn't have me pulling my favorite stock off my weapon. Not even close. 
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Posted: 7/3/2016 6:12:51 PM EDT
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For this reason we recommend mortaring the Zukov stock at a 90 degree angle so the impact is on the top of the buttpad to avoid any possibility of this issue occurring. Perhaps you could put out a video demonstrating the correct way to accidentally drop a rifle so as to avoid breaking the expensive furniture.  good lord.....
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Posted: 7/4/2016 12:07:33 AM EDT
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Perhaps you could put out a video demonstrating the correct way to accidentally drop a rifle so as to avoid breaking the expensive furniture. good lord.....
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For this reason we recommend mortaring the Zukov stock at a 90 degree angle so the impact is on the top of the buttpad to avoid any possibility of this issue occurring. Perhaps you could put out a video demonstrating the correct way to accidentally drop a rifle so as to avoid breaking the expensive furniture. good lord.....
It's not even dropping it. Plenty if vids showing the stock getting abused. There is only so much any stock can take. Plus add water freezing and what not..... Yeah I'm not taking mine off and I'll take them off of anybody who wants to send any my way lol. |
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Posted: 7/4/2016 3:12:44 PM EDT
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Cold weather, possible ice wedging going on, and a slam on frozen ground hitting the toe placing extra leverage on the hinge seems like a "perfect storm" scenario to me, but I understand concern if it's on your fighting rifle
As others have said, if anyone is trashing their Zhukov I will be glad to take it off your hands and risk my life with it!  |
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Posted: 7/4/2016 3:17:41 PM EDT
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Any folding stock is a compromise to a solid stock. Depends on what you want.
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Posted: 7/5/2016 2:27:58 PM EDT
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Perhaps you could put out a video demonstrating the correct way to accidentally drop a rifle so as to avoid breaking the expensive furniture. good lord.....
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For this reason we recommend mortaring the Zukov stock at a 90 degree angle so the impact is on the top of the buttpad to avoid any possibility of this issue occurring. Perhaps you could put out a video demonstrating the correct way to accidentally drop a rifle so as to avoid breaking the expensive furniture. good lord.....
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Posted: 8/24/2016 2:11:35 PM EDT
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Bump...Still waiting on the MAGPUL Response.
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Posted: 8/24/2016 11:15:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bump...Still waiting on the MAGPUL Response. Didn't read the thread? Didn't read this page? About half way down this page you will find, https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_64/161072_Magpul_Zhukov_stock_fail_.html&page=9#i1374869 Hint, your wait is over. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 5:37:05 AM EDT
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We have been a bit slammed here with everything so the guys in engineering have not got the chance to write up the findings in a way suitable for an open forum. Without getting into details the failure shown was due to a particular set of circumstances that are not common. The issue was a combination of elements present only when mortaring the stock on the tail of the buttpad. For this reason we recommend mortaring the Zukov stock at a 90 degree angle so the impact is on the top of the buttpad to avoid any possibility of this issue occurring. There are probably many more sets of circumstances that will cause gross failure of the buttstock. It is underhanded deception to promote the idea that the failure is an isolated incident. Do us all a favor and take this junk off the market. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 4:48:04 PM EDT
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I read that was waiting on the details that they were talking about.
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Posted: 8/25/2016 5:02:04 PM EDT
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If there is a widely available folding stock for the AK that is under $100 and is superior to the Zhukov in ergonomics and durability, now would be the time for someone to enlighten us. Until then, I don't see anything directly competing with the Zhukov. Cough up $600 or so to have an AK100 installed if you want something really tough. Or, just buy 6 Zhukovs and don't get upset until the 6th one has broken.
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Posted: 8/25/2016 6:37:01 PM EDT
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If there is a widely available folding stock for the AK that is under $100 and is superior to the Zhukov in ergonomics and durability, now would be the time for someone to enlighten us. Until then, I don't see anything directly competing with the Zhukov. Cough up $600 or so to have an AK100 installed if you want something really tough. Or, just buy 6 Zhukovs and don't get upset until the 6th one has broken. lol |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:23:08 PM EDT
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If there is a widely available folding stock for the AK that is under $100 and is superior to the Zhukov in ergonomics and durability, now would be the time for someone to enlighten us. Until then, I don't see anything directly competing with the Zhukov. Cough up $600 or so to have an AK100 installed if you want something really tough. Or, just buy 6 Zhukovs and don't get upset until the 6th one has broken. Tapco, lol, at least it's cheap! Probably stronger too. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:13:09 PM EDT
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I read that was waiting on the details that they were talking about. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We have been a bit slammed here with everything so the guys in engineering have not got the chance to write up the findings in a way suitable for an open forum. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 10:49:21 PM EDT
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If there is a widely available folding stock for the AK that is under $100 and is superior to the Zhukov in ergonomics and durability, now would be the time for someone to enlighten us. Until then, I don't see anything directly competing with the Zhukov. Cough up $600 or so to have an AK100 installed if you want something really tough. Or, just buy 6 Zhukovs and don't get upset until the 6th one has broken. lol Even the ergos of the Zhukov suck. It sits too high for comfortable iron sights use. I can't imagine why you'd need to add a riser to it, but they decided to include that functionality while completely ignoring the strength of the hinge. CNC Warrior provides a much stronger solution for around $130. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 8:12:06 AM EDT
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Tapco, lol, at least it's cheap! Probably stronger too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If there is a widely available folding stock for the AK that is under $100 and is superior to the Zhukov in ergonomics and durability, now would be the time for someone to enlighten us. Until then, I don't see anything directly competing with the Zhukov. Cough up $600 or so to have an AK100 installed if you want something really tough. Or, just buy 6 Zhukovs and don't get upset until the 6th one has broken. Tapco, lol, at least it's cheap! Probably stronger too. No. They are absolutely horrible. Use one, you will understand. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 8:34:51 AM EDT
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Even the ergos of the Zhukov suck. It sits too high for comfortable iron sights use. I can't imagine why you'd need to add a riser to it, but they decided to include that functionality while completely ignoring the strength of the hinge. CNC Warrior provides a much stronger solution for around $130. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If there is a widely available folding stock for the AK that is under $100 and is superior to the Zhukov in ergonomics and durability, now would be the time for someone to enlighten us. Until then, I don't see anything directly competing with the Zhukov. Cough up $600 or so to have an AK100 installed if you want something really tough. Or, just buy 6 Zhukovs and don't get upset until the 6th one has broken. lol Even the ergos of the Zhukov suck. It sits too high for comfortable iron sights use. I can't imagine why you'd need to add a riser to it, but they decided to include that functionality while completely ignoring the strength of the hinge. CNC Warrior provides a much stronger solution for around $130. Zhukov comb is about the same as a WARSAW, which feels like home to many. The riser was for people who might be using an optic and I could live without it. A revision with a stronger hinge would be great I don't see a folding stock at CNC Warrior for less than $155 plus shipping. Looks like someone basically copied the ACE design that can fold under fire and the comb appears to climb at the rear, just like when using the ACE adapter, ACE design folding mech, and stock. I'd still rather have the Zhukov, less expensive, doesn't climb at the rear when properly installed, and I have yet to have one fold under fire on a shotgun. I have had folders with the ACE hinge design fold while firing exactly like this.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cziaavT5Fzg |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 6:20:36 PM EDT
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No. They are absolutely horrible. Use one, you will understand. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If there is a widely available folding stock for the AK that is under $100 and is superior to the Zhukov in ergonomics and durability, now would be the time for someone to enlighten us. Until then, I don't see anything directly competing with the Zhukov. Cough up $600 or so to have an AK100 installed if you want something really tough. Or, just buy 6 Zhukovs and don't get upset until the 6th one has broken. Tapco, lol, at least it's cheap! Probably stronger too. No. They are absolutely horrible. Use one, you will understand. Funny that's not a zhukov on the gauge in your avatar. Looks a lot like a Manticore. 
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Posted: 8/26/2016 6:46:55 PM EDT
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Funny that's not a zhukov on the gauge in your avatar. Looks a lot like a Manticore.
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If there is a widely available folding stock for the AK that is under $100 and is superior to the Zhukov in ergonomics and durability, now would be the time for someone to enlighten us. Until then, I don't see anything directly competing with the Zhukov. Cough up $600 or so to have an AK100 installed if you want something really tough. Or, just buy 6 Zhukovs and don't get upset until the 6th one has broken. Tapco, lol, at least it's cheap! Probably stronger too. No. They are absolutely horrible. Use one, you will understand. Funny that's not a zhukov on the gauge in your avatar. Looks a lot like a Manticore.
I believe he uses military folders for his builds. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:11:30 AM EDT
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Tapco, lol, at least it's cheap! Probably stronger too. No. They are absolutely horrible. Use one, you will understand. I can confirm this. I have a Tapco "Galil-style" folder. It's in a box somehwere here. It sucked so bad. Floppy (doesn't lock tight in either position), uncomfortable, and ugly to boot. I love Tapco and used to live right up the road from them in Kennesaw and dropped in personally to pick up orders at that strange front desk with little black powder cannons on it. But that Tapco folding stock sucks. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 12:12:05 PM EDT
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I am still using the Zhukov stocks on my rifles. I recently posted a video with another rifle I equipped with the stock. In this video I stand on a picnic table and drop it butt first onto the ground. Yes, I can slap them hard enough to cause them to fold, but so far that's never happened to me accidentally so I don't currently see that as much of an issue. Jump to 10:14 in the video time line to see me drop the rifle in the video below.
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Posted: 8/28/2016 3:29:36 PM EDT
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I believe he uses military folders for his builds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If there is a widely available folding stock for the AK that is under $100 and is superior to the Zhukov in ergonomics and durability, now would be the time for someone to enlighten us. Until then, I don't see anything directly competing with the Zhukov. Cough up $600 or so to have an AK100 installed if you want something really tough. Or, just buy 6 Zhukovs and don't get upset until the 6th one has broken. Tapco, lol, at least it's cheap! Probably stronger too. No. They are absolutely horrible. Use one, you will understand. Funny that's not a zhukov on the gauge in your avatar. Looks a lot like a Manticore.
I believe he uses military folders for his builds. +1 Russian 5.5mm folder. If I were doing another Saiga 12 I'd probably use a Zhukov on it for ease of install and economic reasons. Freezing really isn't much of an issue here in FL
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Posted: 8/29/2016 6:10:59 PM EDT
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This image was taken off the Ak Operators Union, Local 47-74 Youtube video "Breaking Magpul AK Furniture." They drove over the buttstock with a car while the buttstock was in the folded position. I am not sure any buttstock could survive this, but the picture of the broken buttstock reveals how little amount of plastic holds the buttstock together.
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24150&stc=1&d=1472507986 http://www.akfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24150&stc=1&d=1472507986 |
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