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Originally Posted By KnightWhoSaysNi:
Hey Ron, I'm sorry if you've already stated this and I have searched but what brand of ammo and flavor do you run in the 7.62 AKs? I'm assuming you guys run the type with the least amount of issues. Thanks again! View Quote Hi, We are only using Wolf in our AK's. It's the 122/123 FMJ grey steel case ammo. V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Well, I guess the only thing left to break would be a barrel because we've experienced broken bolts, stocks receivers and both front and rear trunions. The lower portion of the carrier that keeps the bolt in place cracked from the main body earlier today. This is a Bulgarian-made 5.56mm "Krinkov" imported by Arsenal, Inc here in Las Vegas. I will get records of the date is came on the line but it's at the very least 12 months old. This weapon doesn't have any other issues or malfunction listed on the maintenance log and has been unremarkable up to this point. The strange thing about this break is that the we don't actually know when it broke other than when it was cleaned four days ago, there was no evidence of a fracture or crack in that area. The weapon didn't come off the line because of a malfunction but rather for a weekly cleaning and inspection. The durability of the AK is pretty amazing considering this weapon suffered a catastrophic failure of the carrier and continued to function until it was disassembled for cleaning. One would expect the weapon to have functioning issues if the portion of the carrier that is used to push rounds from the magazine and into the chamber was completely cracked. V/R Ron https://i.imgsafe.org/e471f00.jpg https://i.imgsafe.org/e58c749.jpg View Quote Round count? Also would like to echo the many thanks for the info, it is invaluable and thank you for taking the time to educate. |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Well, I guess the only thing left to break would be a barrel because we've experienced broken bolts, stocks receivers and both front and rear trunions. The lower portion of the carrier that keeps the bolt in place cracked from the main body earlier today. This is a Bulgarian-made 5.56mm "Krinkov" imported by Arsenal, Inc here in Las Vegas. I will get records of the date is came on the line but it's at the very least 12 months old. This weapon doesn't have any other issues or malfunction listed on the maintenance log and has been unremarkable up to this point. The strange thing about this break is that the we don't actually know when it broke other than when it was cleaned four days ago, there was no evidence of a fracture or crack in that area. The weapon didn't come off the line because of a malfunction but rather for a weekly cleaning and inspection. The durability of the AK is pretty amazing considering this weapon suffered a catastrophic failure of the carrier and continued to function until it was disassembled for cleaning. One would expect the weapon to have functioning issues if the portion of the carrier that is used to push rounds from the magazine and into the chamber was completely cracked. V/R Ron https://i.imgsafe.org/e471f00.jpg https://i.imgsafe.org/e58c749.jpg View Quote Did you guys put the sear trip in by building a weld? Heat issue? Never seen that failure on an AK. Awesome stuff Ron thanks for all your posts. |
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Again I gotta say huge thanks for the most informative thread ever, it's value cannot be overstated as there is no way I could ever afford to shoot enough rounds to learn this stuff on my own.
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Its amazing to me that even with threads like this, we still have to regularly entertain "trash can gun" posts all over this forum.
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Originally Posted By dryflash3: Where? I take care of every one I come across. Please post a link to the post, if it's in this forum. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By dryflash3: Originally Posted By mancat: Its amazing to me that even with threads like this, we still have to regularly entertain "trash can gun" posts all over this forum. Where? I take care of every one I come across. Please post a link to the post, if it's in this forum. |
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Originally Posted By cletussd: I think mancat may be referring to (Garbage Disposal) GD. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cletussd: Originally Posted By dryflash3: Originally Posted By mancat: Its amazing to me that even with threads like this, we still have to regularly entertain "trash can gun" posts all over this forum. Where? I take care of every one I come across. Please post a link to the post, if it's in this forum. I see it all the time there, can't expect much class in GD. |
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This is such a amazing thread thanks for all the info it is so cool to see how the guns hold up....
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Posted this in the other thread, but cross posted here. I know you had C39 issues, but I thought I read you bought some C39V2s, and supposedly, those have addressed the issues that the other C39 had.
Checking in with you on the round count and condition of the C39V2, milled AKs. MAC and AKOU seem to think they're very good and they've been holding up really well for them. I bought one for my son a month ago but have been too sick to go pick it up. Hoping I can make it this week or my dealer will just bring it to me. He was coming down this weekend but got tied up with family issues. Thanks. |
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Originally Posted By pavlovwolf:
Posted this in the other thread, but cross posted here. I know you had C39 issues, but I thought I read you bought some C39V2s, and supposedly, those have addressed the issues that the other C39 had. Checking in with you on the round count and condition of the C39V2, milled AKs. MAC and AKOU seem to think they're very good and they've been holding up really well for them. I bought one for my son a month ago but have been too sick to go pick it up. Hoping I can make it this week or my dealer will just bring it to me. He was coming down this weekend but got tied up with family issues. Thanks. View Quote The round count of the C39V2 is still very low in comparison to a standard WASR or the original Polish Model 1960 (Century's first milled gun on Polish kits). It doesn't get used much because people tend to choose the classic wood-dressed AK47. V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
The round count of the C39V2 is still very low in comparison to a standard WASR or the original Polish Model 1960 (Century's first milled gun on Polish kits). It doesn't get used much because people tend to choose the classic wood-dressed AK47. V/R Ron View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By pavlovwolf:
Posted this in the other thread, but cross posted here. I know you had C39 issues, but I thought I read you bought some C39V2s, and supposedly, those have addressed the issues that the other C39 had. Checking in with you on the round count and condition of the C39V2, milled AKs. MAC and AKOU seem to think they're very good and they've been holding up really well for them. I bought one for my son a month ago but have been too sick to go pick it up. Hoping I can make it this week or my dealer will just bring it to me. He was coming down this weekend but got tied up with family issues. Thanks. The round count of the C39V2 is still very low in comparison to a standard WASR or the original Polish Model 1960 (Century's first milled gun on Polish kits). It doesn't get used much because people tend to choose the classic wood-dressed AK47. V/R Ron As a purchase for a guy that'll shoot 2,000-3,000 a year, how would you rate it? |
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Ron, have you ever used buffers on AK's and what was your experience with them?
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Originally Posted By nchapa:
Ron, have you ever used buffers on AK's and what was your experience with them? View Quote We have, we've used the black ones and the blue ones. I'm falling asleep as I'm typing this and can't remember the brands for the life of me but I do have the armorers install them. V/R Ron |
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Glad to see that the WASRs are doing as well as they seem to be. I have one on order from Atlantic. Now way will I ever be able to give it the abuse it gets in Las Vegas. The ironic thing is that they are the least expensive and one of the most hated AKs on the market. Looks like the WASR is as reliable and durable as much more expensive ones
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any SLR-107's (AK-103) on the line?
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
any SLR-107's (AK-103) on the line? How are the draco's holding up? View Quote We do have a few of the SLR-107's and they have held up just as well as the WASR-10/63's? As for the Draco's, the are still running strong. We've lost a few to cracked rails but we have tigged them back in place and continue to run. V/R Ron |
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This has probably been asked, but how do you guys manage the NFA aspect of these new FA guns?
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
We do have a few of the SLR-107's and they have held up just as well as the WASR-10/63's? As for the Draco's, the are still running strong. We've lost a few to cracked rails but we have tigged them back in place and continue to run. V/R Ron View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
any SLR-107's (AK-103) on the line? How are the draco's holding up? We do have a few of the SLR-107's and they have held up just as well as the WASR-10/63's? As for the Draco's, the are still running strong. We've lost a few to cracked rails but we have tigged them back in place and continue to run. V/R Ron Thanks! Covers my AK inventory |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
We do have a few of the SLR-107's and they have held up just as well as the WASR-10/63's? As for the Draco's, the are still running strong. We've lost a few to cracked rails but we have tigged them back in place and continue to run. V/R Ron View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
any SLR-107's (AK-103) on the line? How are the draco's holding up? We do have a few of the SLR-107's and they have held up just as well as the WASR-10/63's? As for the Draco's, the are still running strong. We've lost a few to cracked rails but we have tigged them back in place and continue to run. V/R Ron Any Mini-Dracos? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Originally Posted By C-4:
Any Mini-Dracos? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote We have one that we call the Flamethrower but it doesn't get much use. There's no stock on it and my staff only allows certain individuals to use. If you've never fired a gun, there about 99.99% chance you aren't firing the Flamethrower. V/R Ron |
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How have the Saigas held up compared to other AKs? About the same, better, worse?
Have you noticed any difference between 47s and 74s in terms of durability? |
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At what approximate round count did the N-PAP receivers break? Were they full auto N-PAP's? Thank you. |
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Maybe I missed this topic addressed previously, but...
How do your WASRs compare to the M4 style rifles in reliability and longevity? |
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Originally Posted By blazingnate:
Maybe I missed this topic addressed previously, but... How do your WASRs compare to the M4 style rifles in reliability and longevity? View Quote While we wait for Doc's replay, check this out, it'll tell you the weak points of the AR system. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/677135_High_round_count_AR_M4_s__over_100_000_rounds__and_how_they_have_handled_on_our_range.html BTW: I've shot at Battlefield Vegas. It's is a hoot. I shot an original Russian PPS-43, a German MG-42, a BAR and a German StG-44. I skipped the AR's and AK's as I have experience with them, but they have endless numbers of them. And just about everything else you can conceive. Amazing. |
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Originally Posted By EVR: While we wait for Doc's replay, check this out, it'll tell you the weak points of the AR system. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/677135_High_round_count_AR_M4_s__over_100_000_rounds__and_how_they_have_handled_on_our_range.html BTW: I've shot at Battlefield Vegas. It's is a hoot. I shot an original Russian PPS-43, a German MG-42, a BAR and a German StG-44. I skipped the AR's and AK's as I have experience with them, but they have endless numbers of them. And just about everything else you can conceive. Amazing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By EVR: Originally Posted By blazingnate: Maybe I missed this topic addressed previously, but... How do your WASRs compare to the M4 style rifles in reliability and longevity? While we wait for Doc's replay, check this out, it'll tell you the weak points of the AR system. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/677135_High_round_count_AR_M4_s__over_100_000_rounds__and_how_they_have_handled_on_our_range.html BTW: I've shot at Battlefield Vegas. It's is a hoot. I shot an original Russian PPS-43, a German MG-42, a BAR and a German StG-44. I skipped the AR's and AK's as I have experience with them, but they have endless numbers of them. And just about everything else you can conceive. Amazing. Please stay on the topic of AK's in this forum. The AR side is easy to find. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Please stay on the topic of AK's in this forum. The AR side is easy to find. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Originally Posted By EVR:
Originally Posted By blazingnate:
Maybe I missed this topic addressed previously, but... How do your WASRs compare to the M4 style rifles in reliability and longevity? While we wait for Doc's replay, check this out, it'll tell you the weak points of the AR system. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/677135_High_round_count_AR_M4_s__over_100_000_rounds__and_how_they_have_handled_on_our_range.html BTW: I've shot at Battlefield Vegas. It's is a hoot. I shot an original Russian PPS-43, a German MG-42, a BAR and a German StG-44. I skipped the AR's and AK's as I have experience with them, but they have endless numbers of them. And just about everything else you can conceive. Amazing. Please stay on the topic of AK's in this forum. The AR side is easy to find. Sorry. I wasn't sure if some folks were aware of all the "high mileage" threads Henderson has posted. |
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I will have to get pics tomorrow when I get there in the morning but one of the AK's suffered a triple fracture of the rear portion of the receiver. We had cracks run down from the upper rear trunion rivet down to towards the bottom of the receiver bilaterally AND the rear trunion suffered from a crack down the center of it. I don't know if this particular AK had the recoil spring replaced yet but all AK's were in the process of getting recoil spring replaced (as well as MP5's, Thompson's, M3 Grease Guns and MG42/MG3's).
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Hi Ron,
Do you have any Arsenal SAM 7R-61 on the line? I know you mentioned that milled receivers outlast stamped receivers, but other than that, any specific issues with Arsenal SAM7R? Anything breaking or replaced? Thanks. |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I will have to get pics tomorrow when I get there in the morning but one of the AK's suffered a triple fracture of the rear portion of the receiver. We had cracks run down from the upper rear trunion rivet down to towards the bottom of the receiver bilaterally AND the rear trunion suffered from a crack down the center of it. I don't know if this particular AK had the recoil spring replaced yet but all AK's were in the process of getting recoil spring replaced (as well as MP5's, Thompson's, M3 Grease Guns and MG42/MG3's). V/R Ron View Quote Was this found on the line or was it discovered during maintenance? |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense: I will have to get pics tomorrow when I get there in the morning but one of the AK's suffered a triple fracture of the rear portion of the receiver. We had cracks run down from the upper rear trunion rivet down to towards the bottom of the receiver bilaterally AND the rear trunion suffered from a crack down the center of it. I don't know if this particular AK had the recoil spring replaced yet but all AK's were in the process of getting recoil spring replaced (as well as MP5's, Thompson's, M3 Grease Guns and MG42/MG3's). V/R Ron View Quote What recoil springs do you use if not surplus? |
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Originally Posted By 2Hut8:
Was this found on the line or was it discovered during maintenance? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 2Hut8:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I will have to get pics tomorrow when I get there in the morning but one of the AK's suffered a triple fracture of the rear portion of the receiver. We had cracks run down from the upper rear trunion rivet down to towards the bottom of the receiver bilaterally AND the rear trunion suffered from a crack down the center of it. I don't know if this particular AK had the recoil spring replaced yet but all AK's were in the process of getting recoil spring replaced (as well as MP5's, Thompson's, M3 Grease Guns and MG42/MG3's). V/R Ron Was this found on the line or was it discovered during maintenance? The top cover came off while firing. The RSO knows that top covers just don't pop off so he grabbed a new weapon (so the customer wouldn't panic about that happening again) and brought it back to the armorers after the customer left. V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By Kvjavs:
What recoil springs do you use if not surplus? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kvjavs:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I will have to get pics tomorrow when I get there in the morning but one of the AK's suffered a triple fracture of the rear portion of the receiver. We had cracks run down from the upper rear trunion rivet down to towards the bottom of the receiver bilaterally AND the rear trunion suffered from a crack down the center of it. I don't know if this particular AK had the recoil spring replaced yet but all AK's were in the process of getting recoil spring replaced (as well as MP5's, Thompson's, M3 Grease Guns and MG42/MG3's). V/R Ron What recoil springs do you use if not surplus? We replace them with springs made by Wolff. V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
We have one that we call the Flamethrower but it doesn't get much use. There's no stock on it and my staff only allows certain individuals to use. If you've never fired a gun, there about 99.99% chance you aren't firing the Flamethrower. V/R Ron View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By C-4:
Any Mini-Dracos? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile We have one that we call the Flamethrower but it doesn't get much use. There's no stock on it and my staff only allows certain individuals to use. If you've never fired a gun, there about 99.99% chance you aren't firing the Flamethrower. V/R Ron Thank you! I'm having an under folder stock installed since I SBR'd it. It's meant to be a "fun" gun. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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In your opinion, which would be a better firearm? WASR or Norinco MAK 90 (debanned)? To me, it seems that the Norinco is just a heavier more nicely finished variant and the WASR is bare bones, not too pretty, but tough as nails. Which one would you trust more on the firing line? |
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Last year you posted about critical Npap failures where receivers were splitting and you dropped them all from the line and got rid of them. In a recent video interview with one of your armorers, he was talking about how you replace furniture on Npaps because the wood stock breaks quickly.
Can we assume you're back to using Npaps, and aren't having the receiver issues you had last year? |
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Originally Posted By Goodelleric:
Last year you posted about critical Npap failures where receivers were splitting and you dropped them all from the line and got rid of them. In a recent video interview with one of your armorers, he was talking about how you replace furniture on Npaps because the wood stock breaks quickly. Can we assume you're back to using Npaps, and aren't having the receiver issues you had last year? View Quote Seems a simple answer...... |
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Originally Posted By Goodelleric:
Last year you posted about critical Npap failures where receivers were splitting and you dropped them all from the line and got rid of them. In a recent video interview with one of your armorers, he was talking about how you replace furniture on Npaps because the wood stock breaks quickly. Can we assume you're back to using Npaps, and aren't having the receiver issues you had last year? View Quote I noticed that as well. He meant to say WASR's. We haven't put any NPAP's back on the line because we haven't had to at this point. We still have 20+ WASR's new in the box but if they corrected the problem, I don't have a problem putting them on the line. Sean was a bit nervous because he didn't know he was going to be doing the video interview and all of the videos that we have posted on our Youtube page.. have PLENTY of take-out's because of that. V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By steveTA1983:
Ron, In your opinion, which would be a better firearm? WASR or Norinco MAK 90 (debanned)? To me, it seems that the Norinco is just a heavier more nicely finished variant and the WASR is bare bones, not too pretty, but tough as nails. Which one would you trust more on the firing line? View Quote Funny you should bring this up. We've had WASR's go the full 100,000 round count without losing trunion rivets but we've had to Norinco's lose their rivets. At the same time, we haven't lost any Norinco's to cracked receivers. V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I noticed that as well. He meant to say WASR's. We haven't put any NPAP's back on the line because we haven't had to at this point. We still have 20+ WASR's new in the box but if they corrected the problem, I don't have a problem putting them on the line. Sean was a bit nervous because he didn't know he was going to be doing the video interview and all of the videos that we have posted on our Youtube page.. have PLENTY of take-out's because of that. V/R Ron View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By Goodelleric:
Last year you posted about critical Npap failures where receivers were splitting and you dropped them all from the line and got rid of them. In a recent video interview with one of your armorers, he was talking about how you replace furniture on Npaps because the wood stock breaks quickly. Can we assume you're back to using Npaps, and aren't having the receiver issues you had last year? I noticed that as well. He meant to say WASR's. We haven't put any NPAP's back on the line because we haven't had to at this point. We still have 20+ WASR's new in the box but if they corrected the problem, I don't have a problem putting them on the line. Sean was a bit nervous because he didn't know he was going to be doing the video interview and all of the videos that we have posted on our Youtube page.. have PLENTY of take-out's because of that. V/R Ron That really clears things up, thanks. For what it's worth, he didn't look nervous to me, well done on the interview! Going into that blind I would've done a whole lot worse, that's a lot of information to pull up on the spot from memory. |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Funny you should bring this up. We've had WASR's go the full 100,000 round count without losing trunion rivets but we've had to Norinco's lose their rivets. At the same time, we haven't lost any Norinco's to cracked receivers. V/R Ron View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By steveTA1983:
Ron, In your opinion, which would be a better firearm? WASR or Norinco MAK 90 (debanned)? To me, it seems that the Norinco is just a heavier more nicely finished variant and the WASR is bare bones, not too pretty, but tough as nails. Which one would you trust more on the firing line? Funny you should bring this up. We've had WASR's go the full 100,000 round count without losing trunion rivets but we've had to Norinco's lose their rivets. At the same time, we haven't lost any Norinco's to cracked receivers. V/R Ron Thank you for the response |
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Been following all the Battlefield Las Vegas threads - just fantastic information!! Thanks so much for taking the time to post! Really appreciated.
One quick question on ammo. You mention that you're using Wolf steel case ammo (in the grey cases). Are the WASR's that have gone 100K rounds done so with these bi-metallic rounds? I ask as similar bimetallic rounds can chew through AR barrels (throats, gas holes) in 10K-20K rounds. If so, those are some durable eastern block chrome lined barrels!! |
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Originally Posted By ilmonster:
Been following all the Battlefield Las Vegas threads - just fantastic information!! Thanks so much for taking the time to post! Really appreciated. One quick question on ammo. You mention that you're using Wolf steel case ammo (in the grey cases). Are the WASR's that have gone 100K rounds done so with these bi-metallic rounds? I ask as similar bimetallic rounds can chew through AR barrels (throats, gas holes) in 10K-20K rounds. If so, those are some durable eastern block chrome lined barrels!! View Quote To be fair, comparing 5.56 to the significantly slower 7.63x39 isn't a good comparison from a wear perspective. |
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