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Posted: 4/23/2015 4:57:26 AM EDT
RD-M
$1600 "ADVANCE ORDER PURCHASE Expected ship date is 4-6 month" 7.62x39 Base Rifle/Kit build US Made Receiver US Made 16" Nitrited 7.62 barrel threaded to 14:1 LH Triangle Side Folding Stock (RD-M01), OR M4 Stock Adapter with B5 Collapsible stock (RD-M02) Magpul or US Palm AK Grip Tuned G-2 Trigger Tuned Action - Rails, Bolt, Carrier & Trigger assembly Modified Fuller Rear Sight Polymer Hand Guard Set 90 Degree Gas Block AKM FSB PWS FSC 47 (Standard) Dehorn Norrells Moly Resin Finish Over Park - Flat Black One State Compliant Magazine Included 
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Posted: 4/23/2015 7:25:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: RD-M $1600 "ADVANCE ORDER PURCHASE Expected ship date is 4-6 month" 7.62x39 Base Rifle/Kit build US Made Receiver US Made 16" Nitrited 7.62 barrel threaded to 14:1 LH Triangle Side Folding Stock (RD-M01), OR M4 Stock Adapter with B5 Collapsible stock (RD-M02) Magpul or US Palm AK Grip Tuned G-2 Trigger Tuned Action - Rails, Bolt, Carrier & Trigger assembly Modified Fuller Rear Sight Polymer Hand Guard Set 90 Degree Gas Block AKM FSB PWS FSC 47 (Standard) Dehorn Norrells Moly Resin Finish Over Park - Flat Black One State Compliant Magazine Included I would have preferred a 45 degree block myself. $1600 is pretty steep |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 9:16:30 AM EDT
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Fitting the rear latch would be a nice touch on a $1600 rifle.
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Posted: 4/23/2015 9:58:18 AM EDT
[#3]
No horns on my AKs.
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Posted: 4/23/2015 10:03:56 AM EDT
[#4]
Looks nice. I hope they don't expect full payment upfront. With Rifle Dynamics a quoted 4-6 month wait is more like a year and probably longer.
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Posted: 4/23/2015 11:59:54 AM EDT
[#5]
So is this just a U.S.-made SLR-107FR clone?
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Posted: 4/23/2015 12:33:36 PM EDT
[#6]
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So is this just a U.S.-made SLR-107FR clone? No! It can't be a clone because, you see, THIS rifle has been "dehorned". 
In all seriousness though, I'm sure it'll be a nice rifle. There's a sizable market, especially among AR shooters just getting into AK's, that associates high cost with "It must be the best". This market also puts a premium on brand names. Rifle Dynamics will have no problems whatsoever selling these rifles to that market. Although personally I'd prefer a SLR-107 over this. You could insert a G2 and have an equally good shooting rifle for hundreds less. I also second the comment above about pre-paying. You'd think people would know by now that allowing vendors in this industry to hold onto your money for more than 90 days is a really, really bad idea. I understand that Rifle Dynamics is a credible company, but still...shite happens. And if it happens while that vendor has your money, you can kiss that money goodbye. I could understand a holding deposit to ensure buyers are serious, but expecting customers to fund operations is not a sound business practice. I hope buyers of this will not be expected to pre-pay in full. |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 12:46:17 PM EDT
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RD-M $1600 "ADVANCE ORDER PURCHASE Expected ship date is 4-6 month" 7.62x39 Base Rifle/Kit build US Made Receiver US Made 16" Nitrited 7.62 barrel threaded to 14:1 LH Triangle Side Folding Stock (RD-M01), OR M4 Stock Adapter with B5 Collapsible stock (RD-M02) Magpul or US Palm AK Grip Tuned G-2 Trigger Tuned Action - Rails, Bolt, Carrier & Trigger assembly Modified Fuller Rear Sight Polymer Hand Guard Set 90 Degree Gas Block AKM FSB PWS FSC 47 (Standard) Dehorn Norrells Moly Resin Finish Over Park - Flat Black One State Compliant Magazine Included http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0227/7721/products/RDM_1024x1024.jpg?v=1429123597 http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0227/7721/products/DSC_0060_1024x1024.JPG?v=1429123597 http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0227/7721/products/RDM-02_1024x1024.jpg?v=1429142131 http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0227/7721/products/RDM-01.._1024x1024.jpg?v=1429722988 
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Posted: 4/23/2015 12:50:25 PM EDT
[#8]
As an RD rifle owner, I think they do great work, but its way overpriced for what you get. Arsenal plus a few upgrades will get you the same performance. If you wanna drop big money on a "Not your average AK". Krebs custom is where its at.
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Posted: 4/23/2015 1:53:56 PM EDT
[#9]
minus $300 gets you a SAM7SF with more features, plus horns
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Posted: 4/23/2015 2:46:01 PM EDT
[#10]
Looks good, but I won't consider a $1000+ AK that lacks a side scope rail.
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Posted: 4/23/2015 3:34:46 PM EDT
[#11]
Looks like a Saiga that they debanned. The RD-M01 has the obliterated importer marking/match strike/fingernail file rectangle around the stock latch. Not sure what happened to the rest of the markings. Seems odd they would be remarking a Saiga receiver.
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Posted: 4/23/2015 4:32:32 PM EDT
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Looks like a Saiga that they debanned. The RD-M01 has the obliterated importer marking/match strike/fingernail file rectangle around the stock latch. Not sure what happened to the rest of the markings. Seems odd they would be remarking a Saiga receiver. http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0227/7721/products/RDM-01.._1024x1024.jpg?v=1429722988 Description says US made barrel and receiver. If they were converting Saigas I doubt they would wast the time and money to trash a perfectly good barrel and receiver. The receiver does look like many Saiga receivers though, maybe the pic was from an early prototype. |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 5:50:52 PM EDT
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RD-M $1600 "ADVANCE ORDER PURCHASE Expected ship date is 4-6 month" 7.62x39 Base Rifle/Kit build US Made Receiver US Made 16" Nitrited 7.62 barrel threaded to 14:1 LH Triangle Side Folding Stock (RD-M01), OR M4 Stock Adapter with B5 Collapsible stock (RD-M02) Magpul or US Palm AK Grip Tuned G-2 Trigger Tuned Action - Rails, Bolt, Carrier & Trigger assembly Modified Fuller Rear Sight Polymer Hand Guard Set 90 Degree Gas Block AKM FSB PWS FSC 47 (Standard) Dehorn Norrells Moly Resin Finish Over Park - Flat Black One State Compliant Magazine Included http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0227/7721/products/RDM_1024x1024.jpg?v=1429123597 http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0227/7721/products/DSC_0060_1024x1024.JPG?v=1429123597 http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0227/7721/products/RDM-02_1024x1024.jpg?v=1429142131 http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0227/7721/products/RDM-01.._1024x1024.jpg?v=1429722988
I believe this is the correct reaction. |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 5:56:24 PM EDT
[#14]
RD has a fantastic reputation for doing quality work, but there are way too many off-the-shelf parts for a $1600 rifle.
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Posted: 4/23/2015 8:43:22 PM EDT
[#15]
I need to get an FFL and get into the dehorning business. Other than them hitting it with a file.. I mean dehorning it.. this is nothing but a bunch of off the shelf parts. I figure dehorning labor alone has to be at least $500.
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Posted: 4/23/2015 9:18:55 PM EDT
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This local shop here in Las Vegas that was doing dehorning and adding the venom gas block and making RD clones is in the process of going out of business. lol.
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Posted: 4/23/2015 9:20:56 PM EDT
[#17]
Or I could buy an Arsenal and 3,000 rounds of ammo...
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Posted: 4/23/2015 9:35:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Description says US made barrel and receiver. If they were converting Saigas I doubt they would wast the time and money to trash a perfectly good barrel and receiver. The receiver does look like many Saiga receivers though, maybe the pic was from an early prototype. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like a Saiga that they debanned. The RD-M01 has the obliterated importer marking/match strike/fingernail file rectangle around the stock latch. Not sure what happened to the rest of the markings. Seems odd they would be remarking a Saiga receiver. http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0227/7721/products/RDM-01.._1024x1024.jpg?v=1429722988 Description says US made barrel and receiver. If they were converting Saigas I doubt they would wast the time and money to trash a perfectly good barrel and receiver. The receiver does look like many Saiga receivers though, maybe the pic was from an early prototype. |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 10:04:30 PM EDT
[#19]
Ummm, not an expert on AK's but where is the $1600 price tag coming from?
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Posted: 4/23/2015 10:08:15 PM EDT
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the pic above has the scrubbed importer mark on it that SAIGAs have. Could be the promo one was made from a SAIGA Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like a Saiga that they debanned. The RD-M01 has the obliterated importer marking/match strike/fingernail file rectangle around the stock latch. Not sure what happened to the rest of the markings. Seems odd they would be remarking a Saiga receiver. http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0227/7721/products/RDM-01.._1024x1024.jpg?v=1429722988 Description says US made barrel and receiver. If they were converting Saigas I doubt they would wast the time and money to trash a perfectly good barrel and receiver. The receiver does look like many Saiga receivers though, maybe the pic was from an early prototype. More than likely, it's probably one of the guys saiga that they debanned and made to look like a 100series AK. But the AK you or anyone else will be getting will have US barrels, and receivers. BTW whats the difference between this new line and their 500 and 700 series, other than lack of gas block, and front sight block? |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 10:14:27 PM EDT
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Ummm, not an expert on AK's but where is the $1600 price tag coming from? Probably $700 tops for the parts (which is still waaaay too generous price tag for the parts) , and the rest is for their work. Which is the following.... Triangle Side Folding Stock (RD-M01), OR M4 Stock Adapter with B5 Collapsible stock Tuned Custom Trigger Tuned Action - Rails, Bolt, Carrier & Trigger assembly Modified Fuller Rear Sight Dehorn Norrells Moly Resin Finish Over Park - Flat Black When you consider that after an AK is built it has probably got to about $850 with built labor, parts kits, and maybe paint. (for the RD-M model), Then you pay about $800 for them to do the things listed above to the rifle. 
Edit: And for that price it looks like they're gonna leave out the reinforcement plate on the side folders. |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 11:04:23 PM EDT
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Ummm, not an expert on AK's but where is the $1600 price tag coming from? because it says rifle dynamics. |
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Posted: 4/24/2015 7:19:03 AM EDT
[#23]
Yet another overpriced AK.
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Posted: 4/24/2015 9:36:44 AM EDT
[#24]
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As an RD rifle owner, I think they do great work, but its way overpriced for what you get. Arsenal plus a few upgrades will get you the same performance. If you wanna drop big money on a "Not your average AK". Krebs custom is where its at. Agree |
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Posted: 4/24/2015 10:58:05 AM EDT
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As an RD rifle owner, I think they do great work, but its way overpriced for what you get. Arsenal plus a few upgrades will get you the same performance. If you wanna drop big money on a "Not your average AK". Krebs custom is where its at. Both are pretty spendy, but I agree that Krebs seems to give you more for your money. Their builds come with a good amount of custom parts they made. While RD is basically all off the shelf parts. |
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Posted: 4/24/2015 11:04:04 AM EDT
[#26]
The only way I could justify this kind of money is if they were doing factory SBR rifles with the side folding stocks.
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Posted: 4/24/2015 11:22:52 AM EDT
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The only way I could justify this kind of money is if they were doing factory SBR rifles with the side folding stocks. That would be a decent deal for $1600. But in reality, an RD factory SBR would be 3 grand or more
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Posted: 4/24/2015 3:06:51 PM EDT
[#28]
I'd rather just buy an arsenal with a commie made barrel and file the corners off of the safety myself
At the end of the day it is a few hundred cheaper, faster, and a better barrel.
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Posted: 4/24/2015 6:27:35 PM EDT
[#29]
If you throw out the monetary "value" of that rifle I wouldn't trade it for my converted saiga. Heck no.
*dehorning vigorously |
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Posted: 4/24/2015 6:29:43 PM EDT
[#30]
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this cracks me up every time. I would have preferred a 45 degree block myself. $1600 is pretty steep Quote HistoryQuoted:
this cracks me up every time. I would have preferred a 45 degree block myself. $1600 is pretty steep Ditto. I don't see anything even close to being worth 1600 bucks about that rifle, sheesh, if I wanted a kit build and US parts, i'd build the dang thing myself for about 500 bucks. Dehorn, i'm too effing sure, taking sandpaper to a rifle is now considered a feature? 
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*dehorning vigorously Don't forget to blade at 45 while yer doing it. 
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Posted: 4/24/2015 9:33:32 PM EDT
[#31]
I wonder if they've partnered with intacto
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Posted: 4/24/2015 10:06:01 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if they've partnered with intacto Stay on topic. |
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Posted: 4/24/2015 11:00:36 PM EDT
[#33]
I have been into AKs for years and really this thread is the first time I've ever heard of "dehorning" one. I googled it and couldn't believe all the stories I found of guys getting their hands and arms torn up by AK's "sharp edges" of the receiver, mag latch, dust cover, etc.. What am I doing wrong?
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Posted: 4/24/2015 11:18:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have been into AKs for years and really this thread is the first time I've ever heard of "dehorning" one. I googled it and couldn't believe all the stories I found of guys getting their hands and arms torn up by AK's "sharp edges" of the receiver, mag latch, dust cover, etc.. What am I doing wrong? You're probably not Operator As Fuck like the guys that are getting torn up. None of us are apparently. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 8:57:42 PM EDT
[#35]
I cut my finger doing a mag change once, does that qualify as tactical as?
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Posted: 4/26/2015 4:43:45 PM EDT
[#36]
Getting disgusted with the "hey, AK guys will pay anything now, let's slap some crap together and get us some of that action" attitude that has swept through US manufacturers. I tried to warn people that continuing to subsidize the overpriced Arsenal rifles would have consequences, now we got 1600 dollar kit builds and Century trying to sell 1000 dollar "RPK's", fugly "mutants" etc. etc.
 May have to move this thread to GD, I sense copious dehorning memes coming on. <pic removed> dryflash3 |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 5:15:54 PM EDT
[#37]
Not that I would want this rifle, pretty happy with my 'no frills factory grade' SLR-107.
However, you need to consider the fact that these are 'custom built' rifles. AK or not, these aren't exactly rolling off of the assembly line of Arsenal JSCo. or Izhevsk... So for all the little 'sanding/grinding/polishing', refinishing, adding this/that, etc. It will stack up a bit of a premium, yes even for 'dehorning'. People paying 'top dollar' for custom built guns want it all... So the bottom line; $1,600 price, isn't all that extravagant. Some people do want this, honestly I like what RD does, I like what Krebs does as well. In context to 'fine-tuning' and/or customizing AK's, they are two of the most noted industry leaders in this country. You can whine/whinge/moan/groan about it, but it all costs money for them to sit down and put fourth effort and craftsmanship for these products. Again, nothing wrong with a 'factory plain Jane rifle' I'm more than content with mine. Custom gunsmithing = not free |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 5:29:02 PM EDT
[#38]
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Not that I would want this rifle, pretty happy with my 'no frills factory grade' SLR-107. However, you need to consider the fact that these are 'custom built' rifles. AK or not, these aren't exactly rolling off of the assembly line of Arsenal JSCo. or Izhevsk... So for all the little 'sanding/grinding/polishing', refinishing, adding this/that, etc. It will stack up a bit of a premium, yes even for 'dehorning'. People paying 'top dollar' for custom built guns want it all... So the bottom line; $1,600 price, isn't all that extravagant. Some people do want this, honestly I like what RD does, I like what Krebs does as well. In context to 'fine-tuning' and/or customizing AK's, they are two of the most noted industry leaders in this country. You can whine/whinge/moan/groan about it, but it all costs money for them to sit down and put fourth effort and craftsmanship for these products. Again, nothing wrong with a 'factory plain Jane rifle' I'm more than content with mine. Custom gunsmithing = not free You are right, custom gunsmithing is expensive. That is why a Krebs rifle with a high price is understandable.. there are several custom made parts on their rifles. But there isn't anything custom about this RD rifle. It's all off the shelf parts. One could buy all these parts, then pay any number of builders to build it and spend way less money. RD isn't doing anything that InRange, POHF, or many others can't do. For an extra $50 they will probably even take a file to the rough edges for you. Other RD builds may involve some real custom work and parts that justifies a high price. But this new offering from them is only expensive because it says Rifle Dynamics on the side of it and they know some people will pay it. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 5:53:12 PM EDT
[#39]
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You are right, custom gunsmithing is expensive. That is why a Krebs rifle with a high price is understandable.. there are several custom made parts on their rifles. But there isn't anything custom about this RD rifle. It's all off the shelf parts. One could buy all these parts, then pay any number of builders to build it and spend way less money. RD isn't doing anything that InRange, POHF, or many others can't do. For an extra $50 they will probably even take a file to the rough edges for you. Other RD builds may involve some real custom work and parts that justifies a high price. But this new offering from them is only expensive because it says Rifle Dynamics on the side of it and they know some people will pay it. This. /thread |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 6:24:59 PM EDT
[#40]
So when is the Palmetto State rifle hitting the shelves? Seriously just here to agree, I thought maybe this was a April fools joke that I missed from the begning of the month or something.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 7:59:03 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Not that I would want this rifle, pretty happy with my 'no frills factory grade' SLR-107. However, you need to consider the fact that these are 'custom built' rifles. AK or not, these aren't exactly rolling off of the assembly line of Arsenal JSCo. or Izhevsk... So for all the little 'sanding/grinding/polishing', refinishing, adding this/that, etc. It will stack up a bit of a premium, yes even for 'dehorning'. People paying 'top dollar' for custom built guns want it all... So the bottom line; $1,600 price, isn't all that extravagant. Some people do want this, honestly I like what RD does, I like what Krebs does as well. In context to 'fine-tuning' and/or customizing AK's, they are two of the most noted industry leaders in this country. You can whine/whinge/moan/groan about it, but it all costs money for them to sit down and put fourth effort and craftsmanship for these products. Again, nothing wrong with a 'factory plain Jane rifle' I'm more than content with mine. Custom gunsmithing = not free These rifles aren't custom built. They aren't even made from commie parts kits. I'd much rather $1200ish on a SLR-107CR than $1600 on this. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:37:25 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a technical forum, not GD. Stay on topic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder if they've partnered with intacto Stay on topic. Thread went back off topic: Getting disgusted with the "hey, AK guys will pay anything now, let's slap some crap together and get us some of that action" attitude that has swept through US manufacturers. I tried to warn people that continuing to subsidize the overpriced Arsenal rifles would have consequences, now we got 1600 dollar kit builds and Century trying to sell 1000 dollar "RPK's", fugly "mutants" etc. etc. May have to move this thread to GD, I sense copious dehorning memes coming on. <pic removed> dryflash3 I tired of editing this thread. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:38:07 PM EDT
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