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Posted: 11/22/2014 7:13:54 PM EDT
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Probably due to a perceived or real notion that there isn't enough of a market to justify tooling up and bringing one to market.
Red Star Arms makes a really nice adjustable trigger, but they aren't exactly making millions of dollars in doing so. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 7:14:38 PM EDT
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Is there some quirk about the AK's trigger group that would stop someone like Giessele, CMC, Rock River, JP, Wilson Combat, Timney producing a "better" trigger ? It seems like this is a massive void when it comes to aftermarket parts.... Heck even something like the ALG Defense would be great . because the G2 in most instances is just as nice as high end AR triggers. no joke - all the AR shooters at the last TN HTF shoot were baffled by how nice the G2 was when they got behind the AK's - were shocked when I told em they are $30. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 7:15:27 PM EDT
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Jard makes one that's a huge POS. Essentially, there's no real market for it because from my experience the average "AK person" tends to be a huge cheapskate. Now, of course this doesn't apply to everyone, but it's easily the majority. I heard that some company was developing one (don't remember who) and decided to scrap it because when they were looking to see what people would pay for one most people said "under $65" or they wouldn't bother.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 7:41:25 PM EDT
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because the G2 in most instances is just as nice as high end AR triggers. no joke - all the AR shooters at the last TN HTF shoot were baffled by how nice the G2 was when they got behind the AK's - were shocked when I told em they are $30. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there some quirk about the AK's trigger group that would stop someone like Giessele, CMC, Rock River, JP, Wilson Combat, Timney producing a "better" trigger ? It seems like this is a massive void when it comes to aftermarket parts.... Heck even something like the ALG Defense would be great . because the G2 in most instances is just as nice as high end AR triggers. no joke - all the AR shooters at the last TN HTF shoot were baffled by how nice the G2 was when they got behind the AK's - were shocked when I told em they are $30. I came to say a G2 trigger is very nice. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 7:59:06 PM EDT
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Red star arms - I have one and it's awesome. You can adjust it how you want. But then again there really isn't anything wrong with the stock ak trigger either. But no trigger will help a 3-4moa ak shoot any better
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Posted: 11/22/2014 7:59:36 PM EDT
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I came to say a G2 trigger is very nice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there some quirk about the AK's trigger group that would stop someone like Giessele, CMC, Rock River, JP, Wilson Combat, Timney producing a "better" trigger ? It seems like this is a massive void when it comes to aftermarket parts.... Heck even something like the ALG Defense would be great . because the G2 in most instances is just as nice as high end AR triggers. no joke - all the AR shooters at the last TN HTF shoot were baffled by how nice the G2 was when they got behind the AK's - were shocked when I told em they are $30. I came to say a G2 trigger is very nice. +1 I really like the Arsenal 2 stage that came in my SGL-21 but i'm not about to replace the G2 in my WASR |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 8:14:20 PM EDT
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tac-con makes one.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 8:22:08 PM EDT
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I came to say a G2 trigger is very nice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there some quirk about the AK's trigger group that would stop someone like Giessele, CMC, Rock River, JP, Wilson Combat, Timney producing a "better" trigger ? It seems like this is a massive void when it comes to aftermarket parts.... Heck even something like the ALG Defense would be great . because the G2 in most instances is just as nice as high end AR triggers. no joke - all the AR shooters at the last TN HTF shoot were baffled by how nice the G2 was when they got behind the AK's - were shocked when I told em they are $30. I came to say a G2 trigger is very nice. This. When a really nice AK trigger can be had for <$30 how much of a market is there for something else? |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 9:47:47 PM EDT
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because the G2 in most instances is just as nice as high end AR triggers. no joke - all the AR shooters at the last TN HTF shoot were baffled by how nice the G2 was when they got behind the AK's - were shocked when I told em they are $30. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there some quirk about the AK's trigger group that would stop someone like Giessele, CMC, Rock River, JP, Wilson Combat, Timney producing a "better" trigger ? It seems like this is a massive void when it comes to aftermarket parts.... Heck even something like the ALG Defense would be great . because the G2 in most instances is just as nice as high end AR triggers. no joke - all the AR shooters at the last TN HTF shoot were baffled by how nice the G2 was when they got behind the AK's - were shocked when I told em they are $30. makes me wonder why some ar triggers are 100x more expensive. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:44:15 PM EDT
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Red star arms - I have one and it's awesome. You can adjust it how you want. But then again there really isn't anything wrong with the stock ak trigger either. But no trigger will help a 3-4moa ak shoot any better Had one of their two stage trigger, kind of wish had taken it off the AK before I sold it. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 12:05:14 AM EDT
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I polished a G2 too much once. They get scary light and too smooth...
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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:37:18 AM EDT
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I have only 9 AK's
But I have a more AR's 
Almost all of my AK's have the G2 triggers, my Ar's have a variety of triggers, from milspec, spikes Nickle Boron, Giessele, Rock River, & JP. In my experience, G2 is reliable, but it is no way as good the AR aftermarket triggers. G2 gets better after I polish, reduce the over travel and pre travel. But as is, aftermarket AR triggers smoke it easily. I think one reason for lack of AK triggers is that there are dimension variations in the receivers, I experience that when I install G2 triggers. Some have a long travel, but other ones have a nice single stage. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:20:01 AM EDT
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Essentially, there's no real market for it because from my experience the average "AK person" tends to be a huge cheapskate. Now, of course this doesn't apply to everyone, but it's easily the majority. This doesn't just affect the FCG aftermarket, but virtually the whole AK accessory aftermarket. From my experiences for a single stage the G2 is alright (it was lightyears ahead of the POS Century FCG's that used to come in the WASR-10's), though I'm not a big fan of the profile of the hammer. I prefer two stage triggers though, and I think the Red Star Arms/Power Custom/whatever-they're-calling-themselves-these-days is the best one out there. Most people balk at the price, but it's worth it to me. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:36:42 AM EDT
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makes me wonder why some ar triggers are 100x more expensive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there some quirk about the AK's trigger group that would stop someone like Giessele, CMC, Rock River, JP, Wilson Combat, Timney producing a "better" trigger ? It seems like this is a massive void when it comes to aftermarket parts.... Heck even something like the ALG Defense would be great . because the G2 in most instances is just as nice as high end AR triggers. no joke - all the AR shooters at the last TN HTF shoot were baffled by how nice the G2 was when they got behind the AK's - were shocked when I told em they are $30. makes me wonder why some ar triggers are 100x more expensive. You mean 10x Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:46:34 AM EDT
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makes me wonder why some ar triggers are 100x more expensive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there some quirk about the AK's trigger group that would stop someone like Giessele, CMC, Rock River, JP, Wilson Combat, Timney producing a "better" trigger ? It seems like this is a massive void when it comes to aftermarket parts.... Heck even something like the ALG Defense would be great . because the G2 in most instances is just as nice as high end AR triggers. no joke - all the AR shooters at the last TN HTF shoot were baffled by how nice the G2 was when they got behind the AK's - were shocked when I told em they are $30. makes me wonder why some ar triggers are 100x more expensive. Can I be honest and this coming from a guy who owns AR's. It's because the AR crowd perceives the cost of an item as value. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 12:01:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryCan I be honest and this coming from a guy who owns AR's. It's because the AR crowd perceives the cost of an item as value. I think it's a combination of this and the fact the AK shooters are cheap. As a disclaimer: I own and love both ARs and AKs. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 12:20:25 PM EDT
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How much of an "upgraded" trigger does one require to hit a man sized target at 200 - 250 meters?
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Posted: 11/23/2014 12:58:06 PM EDT
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If gesielle came out with an ak trigger for around $100 i think it would do well, but the real market would be in historacally correct ak triggers. If somebody had a website for american perfect clone triggers that you choose the year and country and get a perfect copy of the original then they would sell well for around $50.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 1:44:55 PM EDT
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Lots of reasons:
1. Original design trigger works; 2. Misconception that AK owners are small fringe of gun owner population; 3. Stereotype that AK owners have no money; 4. Stereotype that AK owners like authenticity; 5. Misconception that AKs are so inaccurate that a trigger upgrade would be waste of time. 6. Fear that upgrades would end up with jihadists, drug cartels, and Russian shock troops. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 3:55:16 PM EDT
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Red Star Arms, hands down the best AK trigger on the market. Completely adjustable and if you can cut an average (as mentioned before) 3-4 inch group in half or better, why wouldn't you want to do it. They are a far cry cheaper than a bunch of so called top end triggers for the AR platform and built to last. Put my first one in a SLR 106 FR and it sold me hands down. Now I have 4 in use and will be upgrading a couple more befor it's over.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 4:04:08 PM EDT
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You mean 10x Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there some quirk about the AK's trigger group that would stop someone like Giessele, CMC, Rock River, JP, Wilson Combat, Timney producing a "better" trigger ? It seems like this is a massive void when it comes to aftermarket parts.... Heck even something like the ALG Defense would be great . because the G2 in most instances is just as nice as high end AR triggers. no joke - all the AR shooters at the last TN HTF shoot were baffled by how nice the G2 was when they got behind the AK's - were shocked when I told em they are $30. makes me wonder why some ar triggers are 100x more expensive. You mean 10x Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile right. stupid numbers... |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 4:55:29 PM EDT
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because the G2 in most instances is just as nice as high end AR triggers. no joke - all the AR shooters at the last TN HTF shoot were baffled by how nice the G2 was when they got behind the AK's - were shocked when I told em they are $30. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there some quirk about the AK's trigger group that would stop someone like Giessele, CMC, Rock River, JP, Wilson Combat, Timney producing a "better" trigger ? It seems like this is a massive void when it comes to aftermarket parts.... Heck even something like the ALG Defense would be great . because the G2 in most instances is just as nice as high end AR triggers. no joke - all the AR shooters at the last TN HTF shoot were baffled by how nice the G2 was when they got behind the AK's - were shocked when I told em they are $30. This is 100% the reason. AK owners tend to be a lot more pragmatic in my experience, and much less prone to fall for silly marketing hype, and more prone to do the small amount of work it requires to make a triggerset smooth. Takes 5 minutes on a garden variety AR trigger to make it easily as nice as some 100 dollar wunderkind. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:32:28 PM EDT
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Lots of reasons: 1. Original design trigger works; 2. Misconception that AK owners are small fringe of gun owner population; 3. Stereotype that AK owners have no money; 4. Stereotype that AK owners like authenticity; 5. Misconception that AKs are so inaccurate that a trigger upgrade would be waste of time. 6. Fear that upgrades would end up with jihadists, drug cartels, and Russian shock troops. 1. I agree, but don't see that as a reason to not come up with an improved version. Lot's of things "work", yet we still strive to improve on them. 2. I don't really think that this is a true misconception, but I have nothing to say for it. 3. A very large majority of AK owners are cheap whether they have the money or not. Just look around here, and every other AK forum. Things like "Why should I pay X amount when my $300 WASR will do the same", or "I'll pay (Insert ridiculously low price here), other wise I'll pass". 4. I would say that a large majority of the already small amount of AK owners that are willing to spend the money on something are usually collectors that do want authenticity. A pre-ban SA85 will cost more than an identical debanned SA85. 5. I agree. 6. I take this as sarcasm? |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 6:23:27 PM EDT
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4. I would say that a large majority of the already small amount of AK owners that are willing to spend the money on something are usually collectors that do want authenticity. A pre-ban SA85 will cost more than an identical debanned SA85. Well that's for damn sure, but the price desparity in that particular example is kinda ridiculous, a de-banned SA is pretty much every bit as nice and really nothing to doing it, furniture and thread the muzzle, you don't get the bayo lug but that's not a big deal, how many guys really have a use for a bayonet? |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 8:47:58 PM EDT
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because the G2 in most instances is just as nice as high end AR triggers. no joke - all the AR shooters at the last TN HTF shoot were baffled by how nice the G2 was when they got behind the AK's - were shocked when I told em they are $30. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there some quirk about the AK's trigger group that would stop someone like Giessele, CMC, Rock River, JP, Wilson Combat, Timney producing a "better" trigger ? It seems like this is a massive void when it comes to aftermarket parts.... Heck even something like the ALG Defense would be great . because the G2 in most instances is just as nice as high end AR triggers. no joke - all the AR shooters at the last TN HTF shoot were baffled by how nice the G2 was when they got behind the AK's - were shocked when I told em they are $30. I would agree with this. Also I ran the Redstar Arms adjustable at 3 times the cost of A G2 While it was easier to adjust it to bump fire it was no cleaner breaking then the G2 |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:49:09 PM EDT
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How much of an "upgraded" trigger does one require to hit a man sized target at 200 - 250 meters? Lol... excellent point , but it does help me pick where I want to shoot that man-sized target. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 10:12:39 PM EDT
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I came to say a G2 trigger is very nice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there some quirk about the AK's trigger group that would stop someone like Giessele, CMC, Rock River, JP, Wilson Combat, Timney producing a "better" trigger ? It seems like this is a massive void when it comes to aftermarket parts.... Heck even something like the ALG Defense would be great . because the G2 in most instances is just as nice as high end AR triggers. no joke - all the AR shooters at the last TN HTF shoot were baffled by how nice the G2 was when they got behind the AK's - were shocked when I told em they are $30. I came to say a G2 trigger is very nice. I came here to same the same thing. I don't know why AR triggers aren't $40 like Tapco G2s for the 3.5 lbs trigger pull |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 11:45:31 PM EDT
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3. A very large majority of AK owners are cheap whether they have the money or not. Just look around here, and every other AK forum. Things like "Why should I pay X amount when my $300 WASR will do the same", or "I'll pay (Insert ridiculously low price here), other wise I'll pass". Don't confuse having common sense with being "cheap". With some other platforms, extra money may buy you a tangible improvement. With AKs, the only real question is "Do I want to spend $1,400 for a $200 rifle, or do I want to spend $600 for a $200 rifle." Make no mistake, barring a few features, you're getting a $200 rifle either way. Unless you simply can't get the features you want in the less-expansive rifle, you're better off spending that money on ammo. |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 11:46:41 PM EDT
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My Red Start Arms triggers are VERY nice feeling. I set it up as a two stage with a crisp glass break. Way way good enough for an AK. What else do you want?
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Posted: 11/25/2014 12:25:35 AM EDT
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Pulled the arsenal 2 stage out of the 107 tonight and installed the G2.
This one is much lighter and crisper than the one I put in the draco. 10x better than the arsenal group. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:11:03 AM EDT
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Don't confuse having common sense with being "cheap". With some other platforms, extra money may buy you a tangible improvement. With AKs, the only real question is "Do I want to spend $1,400 for a $200 rifle, or do I want to spend $600 for a $200 rifle." Make no mistake, barring a few features, you're getting a $200 rifle either way. Unless you simply can't get the features you want in the less-expansive rifle, you're better off spending that money on ammo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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3. A very large majority of AK owners are cheap whether they have the money or not. Just look around here, and every other AK forum. Things like "Why should I pay X amount when my $300 WASR will do the same", or "I'll pay (Insert ridiculously low price here), other wise I'll pass". Don't confuse having common sense with being "cheap". With some other platforms, extra money may buy you a tangible improvement. With AKs, the only real question is "Do I want to spend $1,400 for a $200 rifle, or do I want to spend $600 for a $200 rifle." Make no mistake, barring a few features, you're getting a $200 rifle either way. Unless you simply can't get the features you want in the less-expansive rifle, you're better off spending that money on ammo. Buying an NcStar red dot that comes with a free laser and arguing that it's just as good as an Aimpoint is common sense? Because that's the arguments I usually get into with your standard "AK" people. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:22:07 AM EDT
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I polished a G2 too much once. They get scary light and too smooth... I did that too. Mine was a little gritty so I kept on polishing until it was smooth. The end result was very smooth, but way to light for comfort. I've been meaning to replace it but never get around to it since I don't shoot that rifle much. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 2:35:35 PM EDT
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Buying an NcStar red dot that comes with a free laser and arguing that it's just as good as an Aimpoint is common sense? Because that's the arguments I usually get into with your standard "AK" people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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3. A very large majority of AK owners are cheap whether they have the money or not. Just look around here, and every other AK forum. Things like "Why should I pay X amount when my $300 WASR will do the same", or "I'll pay (Insert ridiculously low price here), other wise I'll pass". Don't confuse having common sense with being "cheap". With some other platforms, extra money may buy you a tangible improvement. With AKs, the only real question is "Do I want to spend $1,400 for a $200 rifle, or do I want to spend $600 for a $200 rifle." Make no mistake, barring a few features, you're getting a $200 rifle either way. Unless you simply can't get the features you want in the less-expansive rifle, you're better off spending that money on ammo. Buying an NcStar red dot that comes with a free laser and arguing that it's just as good as an Aimpoint is common sense? Because that's the arguments I usually get into with your standard "AK" people. Well I agree that the Aimpoint is a superior product, but for a simple range rifle that only gets shot once a month, a $500 dollar optic is kinda overkill. A Primary arms micro-dot is a good compromise and will do everything you need it to do and hold up well, and in that same vein, a Tapco trigger is a nice inexpensive upgrade that will work fine. I doubt any of the wunderkind AK triggers are substantially better, nor are they battle-tested as is the Aimpoint, so really nothing but manufacturers claims of superiority to try and justify a bizarrely high price for work you can do yourself with simple tools and ten minutes. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 3:36:44 PM EDT
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Ak is not $200, mine was more than that
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Posted: 11/25/2014 7:35:07 PM EDT
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Buying an NcStar red dot that comes with a free laser and arguing that it's just as good as an Aimpoint is common sense? Because that's the arguments I usually get into with your standard "AK" people. An NcStar red dot will not provide the same optical quality, will likely not handle abuse, will not retain zero, will not cope with extreme temperatures, ditto for moisture and weather proofing, etc. It is a product of demonstrably inferior quality; it wasn't designed for field use on real rifles and thus will simply not do the job. Your analogy is inapt. A WASR/NPAP/OPAP/etc. is every bit the neutered military rifle that the Arsenal is. It performs the same job under the same conditions with the same performance and the same results as it's more expensive brethren. You simply cannot argue that there are any functional qualitative differences between them. More money may buy you features (side-folding stock, improved muzzle break, etc.) but the end result is not any better at putting holes in things, or doing so reliably, than the less expensive also-factory-built rifles. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:00:04 PM EDT
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An NcStar red dot will not provide the same optical quality, will likely not handle abuse, will not retain zero, will not cope with extreme temperatures, ditto for moisture and weather proofing, etc. It is a product of demonstrably inferior quality; it wasn't designed for field use on real rifles and thus will simply not do the job. Your analogy is inapt. A WASR/NPAP/OPAP/etc. is every bit the neutered military rifle that the Arsenal is. It performs the same job under the same conditions with the same performance and the same results as it's more expensive brethren. You simply cannot argue that there are any functional qualitative differences between them. More money may buy you features (side-folding stock, improved muzzle break, etc.) but the end result is not any better at putting holes in things, or doing so reliably, than the less expensive also-factory-built rifles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Buying an NcStar red dot that comes with a free laser and arguing that it's just as good as an Aimpoint is common sense? Because that's the arguments I usually get into with your standard "AK" people. An NcStar red dot will not provide the same optical quality, will likely not handle abuse, will not retain zero, will not cope with extreme temperatures, ditto for moisture and weather proofing, etc. It is a product of demonstrably inferior quality; it wasn't designed for field use on real rifles and thus will simply not do the job. Your analogy is inapt. A WASR/NPAP/OPAP/etc. is every bit the neutered military rifle that the Arsenal is. It performs the same job under the same conditions with the same performance and the same results as it's more expensive brethren. You simply cannot argue that there are any functional qualitative differences between them. More money may buy you features (side-folding stock, improved muzzle break, etc.) but the end result is not any better at putting holes in things, or doing so reliably, than the less expensive also-factory-built rifles. How is it inapt? One of the examples given that you were replying to was "I'll pay (Insert ridiculously low price here), other wise I'll pass". That's what my analogy was in reference to as was my initial post at the beginning of this thread in reference to triggers. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:06:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI meant to quote your post, but hit the edit button instead, my bad.
You have come far....good post. 
dryflash3 Thanks Dad, tell Mom I said Happy Thankgiving! 
Srsly, Happy Thanksgiving to all of y'all here on the darkside. my New Year's resolution is to be slightly less of an ornery ol bastard this next year. 
ETA: Well crap, now I did it, hit "edit" when I meant to hit "quote" and screwed up a post you actually liked, lol. We're getting old DF3. 
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:44:31 PM EDT
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3. A very large majority of AK owners are cheap whether they have the money or not. Just look around here, and every other AK forum. Things like "Why should I pay X amount when my $300 WASR will do the same", or "I'll pay (Insert ridiculously low price here), other wise I'll pass". Don't confuse having common sense with being "cheap". With some other platforms, extra money may buy you a tangible improvement. With AKs, the only real question is "Do I want to spend $1,400 for a $200 rifle, or do I want to spend $600 for a $200 rifle." Make no mistake, barring a few features, you're getting a $200 rifle either way. Unless you simply can't get the features you want in the less-expansive rifle, you're better off spending that money on ammo. Buying an NcStar red dot that comes with a free laser and arguing that it's just as good as an Aimpoint is common sense? Because that's the arguments I usually get into with your standard "AK" people. This is my point And in response to another post: yes, WASR's, SLR's, SGL's, etc. will all function. But they still differ in QC; take 100 WASR's at random, and take 100 SLR's at random. Then compare how many had canted sights, gas blocks, etc. Yes there are WASR's that are well assembled, but to say that they're all every bit as well assembled as SA85's or SLR's is a lie. It's also hard to gauge fair prices for these rifles. They can double in price over night simply due to another import regulation. SGL's went from $800 to $500 to $1500. They didn't improve in any way, we just found out that they weren't going to be coming in anymore |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 11:57:07 PM EDT
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1. I agree, but don't see that as a reason to not come up with an improved version. Lot's of things "work", yet we still strive to improve on them. 2. I don't really think that this is a true misconception, but I have nothing to say for it. 3. A very large majority of AK owners are cheap whether they have the money or not. Just look around here, and every other AK forum. Things like "Why should I pay X amount when my $300 WASR will do the same", or "I'll pay (Insert ridiculously low price here), other wise I'll pass". 4. I would say that a large majority of the already small amount of AK owners that are willing to spend the money on something are usually collectors that do want authenticity. A pre-ban SA85 will cost more than an identical debanned SA85. 5. I agree. 6. I take this as sarcasm? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lots of reasons: 1. Original design trigger works; 2. Misconception that AK owners are small fringe of gun owner population; 3. Stereotype that AK owners have no money; 4. Stereotype that AK owners like authenticity; 5. Misconception that AKs are so inaccurate that a trigger upgrade would be waste of time. 6. Fear that upgrades would end up with jihadists, drug cartels, and Russian shock troops. 1. I agree, but don't see that as a reason to not come up with an improved version. Lot's of things "work", yet we still strive to improve on them. 2. I don't really think that this is a true misconception, but I have nothing to say for it. 3. A very large majority of AK owners are cheap whether they have the money or not. Just look around here, and every other AK forum. Things like "Why should I pay X amount when my $300 WASR will do the same", or "I'll pay (Insert ridiculously low price here), other wise I'll pass". 4. I would say that a large majority of the already small amount of AK owners that are willing to spend the money on something are usually collectors that do want authenticity. A pre-ban SA85 will cost more than an identical debanned SA85. 5. I agree. 6. I take this as sarcasm? Yea #6 was a joke. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 5:13:34 AM EDT
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I didn't notice if this was mentioned yet or not, but over in the Geissele Industry forum, Sagmill posted that they're going to have an AK trigger at SHOT. About $49, part of the ALG line.
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Posted: 11/26/2014 7:41:45 AM EDT
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And in response to another post: yes, WASR's, SLR's, SGL's, etc. will all function. But they still differ in QC; take 100 WASR's at random, and take 100 SLR's at random. Then compare how many had canted sights, gas blocks, etc. Given the fact that Arsenal's stated policy is that if the rifle will zero it's in specification, I wouldn't be so certain there would be as great a difference as you appear to believe. The proof is in the shooting, not in the fondling in the basement. If it works reliably and meets the accuracy standard, that's sufficient. Paying more for "quality" which can't be defined is a matter of thinking that buying something expensive confers status. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 12:08:43 PM EDT
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I didn't notice if this was mentioned yet or not, but over in the Geissele Industry forum, Sagmill posted that they're going to have an AK trigger at SHOT. About $49, part of the ALG line. Should be fantastic. Awesome. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:14:27 PM EDT
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I didn't notice if this was mentioned yet or not, but over in the Geissele Industry forum, Sagmill posted that they're going to have an AK trigger at SHOT. About $49, part of the ALG line. Should be fantastic. Awesome. Bam. At that price, why get anything else? They'll dominate the AK trigger market with that. Gonna need one for the slr106. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 2:06:14 PM EDT
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Lots of reasons: 1. Original design trigger works; 2. Misconception that AK owners are small fringe of gun owner population; 3. Stereotype that AK owners have no money; 4. Stereotype that AK owners like authenticity; 5. Misconception that AKs are so inaccurate that a trigger upgrade would be waste of time. 6. Fear that upgrades would end up with jihadists, drug cartels, and Russian shock troops. 1. I agree, but don't see that as a reason to not come up with an improved version. Lot's of things "work", yet we still strive to improve on them. 2. I don't really think that this is a true misconception, but I have nothing to say for it. 3. A very large majority of AK owners are cheap whether they have the money or not. Just look around here, and every other AK forum. Things like "Why should I pay X amount when my $300 WASR will do the same", or "I'll pay (Insert ridiculously low price here), other wise I'll pass". 4. I would say that a large majority of the already small amount of AK owners that are willing to spend the money on something are usually collectors that do want authenticity. A pre-ban SA85 will cost more than an identical debanned SA85. 5. I agree. 6. I take this as sarcasm? Yea #6 was a joke. I think all the above are good reasons... to me the appeal of the AK is the same as that of the Glock: cheap, good and durable. Unfortunately, AK prices seem to be catching up with AR prices. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 2:10:06 PM EDT
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ALG Defense is releasing an AK trigger at SHOT Show 2015.
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Posted: 11/26/2014 8:12:43 PM EDT
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And in response to another post: yes, WASR's, SLR's, SGL's, etc. will all function. But they still differ in QC; take 100 WASR's at random, and take 100 SLR's at random. Then compare how many had canted sights, gas blocks, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
And in response to another post: yes, WASR's, SLR's, SGL's, etc. will all function. But they still differ in QC; take 100 WASR's at random, and take 100 SLR's at random. Then compare how many had canted sights, gas blocks, etc. Often stated, never substantiated. Look up "cognitive dissonance." It's also hard to gauge fair prices for these rifles. They can double in price over night simply due to another import regulation. SGL's went from $800 to $500 to $1500. They didn't improve in any way, we just found out that they weren't going to be coming in anymore This I agree with 100%. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 8:23:38 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info about ALG.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 1:26:36 AM EDT
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I think all the above are good reasons... to me the appeal of the AK is the same as that of the Glock: cheap, good and durable. Unfortunately, AK prices seem to be catching up with AR prices. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lots of reasons: 1. Original design trigger works; 2. Misconception that AK owners are small fringe of gun owner population; 3. Stereotype that AK owners have no money; 4. Stereotype that AK owners like authenticity; 5. Misconception that AKs are so inaccurate that a trigger upgrade would be waste of time. 6. Fear that upgrades would end up with jihadists, drug cartels, and Russian shock troops. 1. I agree, but don't see that as a reason to not come up with an improved version. Lot's of things "work", yet we still strive to improve on them. 2. I don't really think that this is a true misconception, but I have nothing to say for it. 3. A very large majority of AK owners are cheap whether they have the money or not. Just look around here, and every other AK forum. Things like "Why should I pay X amount when my $300 WASR will do the same", or "I'll pay (Insert ridiculously low price here), other wise I'll pass". 4. I would say that a large majority of the already small amount of AK owners that are willing to spend the money on something are usually collectors that do want authenticity. A pre-ban SA85 will cost more than an identical debanned SA85. 5. I agree. 6. I take this as sarcasm? Yea #6 was a joke. I think all the above are good reasons... to me the appeal of the AK is the same as that of the Glock: cheap, good and durable. Unfortunately, AK prices seem to be catching up with AR prices. i don't think you can call glocks cheap considering what you're getting. sure they're durable and reliable, but i feel that they're priced a little high considering materials used and amount made/sold. ak prices catcghing up with ar prices? i wish ak prices would drop like a rock like ar prices have over the last year. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 1:49:14 AM EDT
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Only prob I have with the G2 in my Romy G build is the crazy amount of over travel.
Comparing a Tapco G2 to a aftermarket AR trigger is like comparing a - Glock trigger to a Custom 1911 trigger. Not even the same ball park. The dimensional differences between AK receivers have to make it damn near impossible. I will try an ALG trigger, if/when it comes out. I run ACTs in my ARs ad I love them. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 5:10:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I didn't notice if this was mentioned yet or not, but over in the Geissele Industry forum, Sagmill posted that they're going to have an AK trigger at SHOT. About $49, part of the ALG line. Should be fantastic. Awesome. |
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