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Dude, Generations of product is not "planned obsolescence" that's insane. By that thinking, did Manticore just cross your "planned obsolescence" line by offering a THIRD, yes a THIRD model of Alfa rail? Keymod, but then ARC LOK, but now extended?!?! THE HORROR. A regular Keymod Alfa rail is now as obsolete as a Gen 1 Pmag, or Polymer set of Gen2 Mbus sights, in other words: NOT AT ALL OBSOLETE - all work just fine, I have Gen1 Pmags I should go tell that they are obsolete, oh wait, they are loaded and sitting in guns. Shit. Magpul sued ETS because Magpul has a very clear patent, ETS violated it. Not rocket science. On to grown up affairs, Sven: The extended version is AWESOME! |
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Quoted: Who said Extended Keymod AK rail? <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/ma-12300%20left.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-12300%20left.jpg</a> View Quote <meme removed> wrong forum. dryflash3 Glad I waited. How far out? |
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Who said Extended Keymod AK rail? <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/ma-12300%20left.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-12300%20left.jpg</a> Glad I waited. How far out? About 10 weeks out give or take. Already in the production que. |
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Quoted: Who said Extended Keymod AK rail? http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-12300%20left.jpg View Quote Looks awesome! |
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I really prefer the ability to use the cleaning rod, and chance for the ability to drill a hole for the cleaning rod. You need one if you get a stuck casing, or worse.
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Who said Extended Keymod AK rail? <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/ma-12300%20left.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-12300%20left.jpg</a> View Quote You have my attention! |
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My Bulgy homebuild getting her ALFA on. Sven, this is shweet, I love it! Excuse the semi potato pics... http://i.imgur.com/QgBmyLI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JOYaGn7.jpg View Quote Dude, that is an outstanding build- you mind if I repost your pics on our Facebook page? |
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Oh, and for those that have been itching, we finally got the sample milled gun in the shop today. I will get to work on that design soon.
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Dude, that is an outstanding build- you mind if I repost your pics on our Facebook page? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My Bulgy homebuild getting her ALFA on. Sven, this is shweet, I love it! Excuse the semi potato pics... http://i.imgur.com/QgBmyLI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JOYaGn7.jpg Dude, that is an outstanding build- you mind if I repost your pics on our Facebook page? Thanks! Go right ahead! |
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Quoted: AZOutdoorsman: Dude, Generations of product is not "planned obsolescence" that's insane. By that thinking, did Manticore just cross your "planned obsolescence" line by offering a THIRD, yes a THIRD model of Alfa rail? Keymod, but then ARC LOK, but now extended?!?! THE HORROR. A regular Keymod Alfa rail is now as obsolete as a Gen 1 Pmag, or Polymer set of Gen2 Mbus sights, in other words: NOT AT ALL OBSOLETE - all work just fine, I have Gen1 Pmags I should go tell that they are obsolete, oh wait, they are loaded and sitting in guns. Shit. Magpul sued ETS because Magpul has a very clear patent, ETS violated it. Not rocket science. On to grown up affairs, Sven: The extended version is AWESOME! View Quote USGI mag followers had front and rear supports before Magpul existed. Different models with clearly different features offered concurrently are not the same as "generations."
You obviously have zero experience in sales development or in corporate America. Apple and Microsoft use similar models with success. Come out with new products to boost sales, even when the last generation is still relevant, and buy out or sue the little guy. Planned obsolescence does not mean "obsolete." |
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Dig the Manticore forend, dig the Bulgy build above. |
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USGI mag followers had front and rear supports before Magpul existed. Different models with clearly different features offered concurrently are not the same as "generations." You obviously have zero experience in sales development or in corporate America. Apple and Microsoft use similar models with success. Come out with new products to boost sales, even when the last generation is still relevant, and buy out or sue the little guy. Planned obsolescence does not mean "obsolete." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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AZOutdoorsman: Dude, Generations of product is not "planned obsolescence" that's insane. By that thinking, did Manticore just cross your "planned obsolescence" line by offering a THIRD, yes a THIRD model of Alfa rail? Keymod, but then ARC LOK, but now extended?!?! THE HORROR. A regular Keymod Alfa rail is now as obsolete as a Gen 1 Pmag, or Polymer set of Gen2 Mbus sights, in other words: NOT AT ALL OBSOLETE - all work just fine, I have Gen1 Pmags I should go tell that they are obsolete, oh wait, they are loaded and sitting in guns. Shit. Magpul sued ETS because Magpul has a very clear patent, ETS violated it. Not rocket science. On to grown up affairs, Sven: The extended version is AWESOME! Different models with clearly different features offered concurrently are not the same as "generations." You obviously have zero experience in sales development or in corporate America. Apple and Microsoft use similar models with success. Come out with new products to boost sales, even when the last generation is still relevant, and buy out or sue the little guy. Planned obsolescence does not mean "obsolete." Find a different thread to discuss Magpul, planned obsolescene, etc. that is not what this thread is about. This thread is about the ALFA rail. |
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Find a different thread to discuss Magpul, planned obsolescene, etc. that is not what this thread is about. This thread is about the ALFA rail. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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AZOutdoorsman: Dude, Generations of product is not "planned obsolescence" that's insane. By that thinking, did Manticore just cross your "planned obsolescence" line by offering a THIRD, yes a THIRD model of Alfa rail? Keymod, but then ARC LOK, but now extended?!?! THE HORROR. A regular Keymod Alfa rail is now as obsolete as a Gen 1 Pmag, or Polymer set of Gen2 Mbus sights, in other words: NOT AT ALL OBSOLETE - all work just fine, I have Gen1 Pmags I should go tell that they are obsolete, oh wait, they are loaded and sitting in guns. Shit. Magpul sued ETS because Magpul has a very clear patent, ETS violated it. Not rocket science. On to grown up affairs, Sven: The extended version is AWESOME! Different models with clearly different features offered concurrently are not the same as "generations." You obviously have zero experience in sales development or in corporate America. Apple and Microsoft use similar models with success. Come out with new products to boost sales, even when the last generation is still relevant, and buy out or sue the little guy. Planned obsolescence does not mean "obsolete." Find a different thread to discuss Magpul, planned obsolescene, etc. that is not what this thread is about. This thread is about the ALFA rail. I agree. Please take off topic discussion elsewhere. |
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Oh, and for those that have been itching, we finally got the sample milled gun in the shop today. I will get to work on that design soon. Sven Manticore Arms View Quote Yessss....but is it the century c39 I thought you guys mentioned you were getting? If so, im slightly worried because the C39 can take stamped furniture, which all other milled guns cant, so something about the tolerances is wayyyyyyyy off on that gun versus all other milled variants I.E Bulgarians ETA: I might be confused, i know the rear trunnion on the Century C39 allows for the RD stock adapter, which fits no milled guns, maybe its just part thats weird and the forend is standard milled my Arsenal SLR-95 NEEDS an alpha rail to be complete! Then I will have one hell of a pic for you for facebook! |
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Digging the extended model. Does it utilize the standard hand guard retainer?
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Quoted: We will being doing ALFA rails for all models of AK's. It just takes time to design each model and then get it into production (all while keeping the already released models in stock). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Might have missed it. Any plans on Yugo? We will being doing ALFA rails for all models of AK's. It just takes time to design each model and then get it into production (all while keeping the already released models in stock). I can imagine. Seems like making these kind of accessories for the AK is a huge PITA. Glad to see you guys doing it though |
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What's the ETA on the extended rail? I have a new AK ordered and I'm looking for some rails for it.
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Digging the extended model. Does it utilize the standard hand guard retainer? View Quote Yes, it mounts using the stadnard front handguard retainer. Pop off the OEM handguard, install the Extended Rail like a normal handguard, and you are ready to rock. No modifications to the gun to install. |
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I can imagine. Seems like making these kind of accessories for the AK is a huge PITA. Glad to see you guys doing it though View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Might have missed it. Any plans on Yugo? We will being doing ALFA rails for all models of AK's. It just takes time to design each model and then get it into production (all while keeping the already released models in stock). I can imagine. Seems like making these kind of accessories for the AK is a huge PITA. Glad to see you guys doing it though Yeah, huge PITA is an understatement! Our in house collection of AK's is getting to be pretty absurd at this point. But someone needs to make a kickass handguard for the AK, right? |
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Yeah, huge PITA is an understatement! Our in house collection of AK's is getting to be pretty absurd at this point. But someone needs to make a kickass handguard for the AK, right? View Quote Hot damn I love your attitude! I'm curious as well about a yugo handguard, someone may have mentioned it already, but interested in the idea of an arc-lok handguard for an M92, I like the Renegade piece you have and looked great on the prototype Tyler posted, but wondering how cool one of these alfa rails would look on it? Especially paired with one of your triangle stocks, I saw where Tyler said he was resurrecting the basic sidefolder hinge that you can bolt it to. I'm more into fixed stocks myself, and gave him a suggestion for a fixed stock mounting bracket for M92's with an integral sling loop for use with single-point slings. I think this set-up with an alfa rail type handguard would be badass. Just FYI and i'm not sure very many guys are into going non-conventional with their SA-85's, but wondering if there was the potential for a special order alfa with the cuts needed to accommodate the slightly-different handguard retainer on the SA-85? I can send you one that i've cut to fit for measurements, it's not very much that needs to be done, but a standard fit handguard won't work without it. |
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Hot damn I love your attitude! I'm curious as well about a yugo handguard, someone may have mentioned it already, but interested in the idea of an arc-lok handguard for an M92, I like the Renegade piece you have and looked great on the prototype Tyler posted, but wondering how cool one of these alfa rails would look on it? Especially paired with one of your triangle stocks, I saw where Tyler said he was resurrecting the basic sidefolder hinge that you can bolt it to. I'm more into fixed stocks myself, and gave him a suggestion for a fixed stock mounting bracket for M92's with an integral sling loop for use with single-point slings. I think this set-up with an alfa rail type handguard would be badass. Just FYI and i'm not sure very many guys are into going non-conventional with their SA-85's, but wondering if there was the potential for a special order alfa with the cuts needed to accommodate the slightly-different handguard retainer on the SA-85? I can send you one that i've cut to fit for measurements, it's not very much that needs to be done, but a standard fit handguard won't work without it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yeah, huge PITA is an understatement! Our in house collection of AK's is getting to be pretty absurd at this point. But someone needs to make a kickass handguard for the AK, right? Hot damn I love your attitude! I'm curious as well about a yugo handguard, someone may have mentioned it already, but interested in the idea of an arc-lok handguard for an M92, I like the Renegade piece you have and looked great on the prototype Tyler posted, but wondering how cool one of these alfa rails would look on it? Especially paired with one of your triangle stocks, I saw where Tyler said he was resurrecting the basic sidefolder hinge that you can bolt it to. I'm more into fixed stocks myself, and gave him a suggestion for a fixed stock mounting bracket for M92's with an integral sling loop for use with single-point slings. I think this set-up with an alfa rail type handguard would be badass. Just FYI and i'm not sure very many guys are into going non-conventional with their SA-85's, but wondering if there was the potential for a special order alfa with the cuts needed to accommodate the slightly-different handguard retainer on the SA-85? I can send you one that i've cut to fit for measurements, it's not very much that needs to be done, but a standard fit handguard won't work without it. I am not sure the cuts you are referring to. Best bet is someone could modify a standard ALFA as necessary. To be honest, we can only do so many models of an ALFA, at some point before it gets a bit ridiculous (12+ models of AKs out there that need a different handguard X regular and extended X Keymod and ARC LOK.....we, you get the idea) Everyone wants a different version of this for their own personal AK, and it is awesome that it has been so successful that people are asking for that, but at some point we do have to look at how big each of those market segments is- if a guy wants a model for his SA-85 that is extended with ARC LOK, well, he probably has a long wait ahead. We already have requests from two separate companies asking us to do VEPR 12 and VEPR rifle caliber ALFA handguards for them, likely those will be next along with a milled AK version. |
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We already have requests from two separate companies asking us to do VEPR 12 and VEPR rifle caliber ALFA handguards for them, likely those will be next along with a milled AK version. View Quote Double win for me! been wishing a company had a smooth handguard option for the Vepr 12 that allowed you to put accessories only where you wanted versus the "quad rails" currently offered and the RFT handguard that only allows a rail on the bottom. My Milled and Vepr 12 will be sporting alpha's |
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Will the extended ALFA work with an AK104/5 without those top rail sections? It looks like it'd be a tight fit.
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Will the extended ALFA work with an AK104/5 without those top rail sections? It looks like it'd be a tight fit. View Quote The Extended ALFA Rail will not work on a "CR" style AK with the integrated front sight base. Or rather, you would need to do some minor work to open up the front of the lower just a bit and not run a 24mm muzzle device or cut off the 24mm threaded collar, and then use the Superlow Picaitnny top cover from the Mini Draco on front instead of a standard Superlow Picatinny top cover. If there is enough demand we can do a "CR" specific style Extended Top Cover, or at least a small run of them. For now we want to get the standard Extended ALFA Rail launched first and then go from there. |
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The front top cover is a little outdated in this photo (it was an early version of the Mini Draco top cover), but you can see what the standard Extended Lower looks like on a 107CR. As you can see it is a bit long, but if you are running a 107CR with the barrel actually threaded it would would fine with a small modification to the lower. If we were to make a dedicated "CR" lower we would prune it back flush with the front of the front sight base so the 24mm threads were exposed and make a dedicated "notched" top cover for the front sight that looks similar to the current one we are making for the Mini Draco <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/107CR%20MA12300.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/107CR%20MA12300.jpg</a> View Quote Long rail would work good on a Vepr, easy to do the frontend too as you just need a screwhole in the bottom front to mount. |
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Long rail would work good on a Vepr, easy to do the frontend too as you just need a screwhole in the bottom front to mount. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The front top cover is a little outdated in this photo (it was an early version of the Mini Draco top cover), but you can see what the standard Extended Lower looks like on a 107CR. As you can see it is a bit long, but if you are running a 107CR with the barrel actually threaded it would would fine with a small modification to the lower. If we were to make a dedicated "CR" lower we would prune it back flush with the front of the front sight base so the 24mm threads were exposed and make a dedicated "notched" top cover for the front sight that looks similar to the current one we are making for the Mini Draco <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/107CR%20MA12300.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/107CR%20MA12300.jpg</a> Long rail would work good on a Vepr, easy to do the frontend too as you just need a screwhole in the bottom front to mount. Already working on a VEPR design by request of a large company, we are going to do something a touch different for the VEPRs. |
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Why is it that you always find the cool stuff right after you place an order for something else....
Hopefully, I can cancel the tri-rail order I just placed and wait on the Vepr-12 Alfa rail instead. Sven, you guys are on a roll - between this Alfa rail and all of the cool Tavor gear recently released, you're getting a lot of my money. And I like it! |
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Why is it that you always find the cool stuff right after you place an order for something else.... Hopefully, I can cancel the tri-rail order I just placed and wait on the Vepr-12 Alfa rail instead. Sven, you guys are on a roll - between this Alfa rail and all of the cool Tavor gear recently released, you're getting a lot of my money. And I like it! View Quote Just wait until you see what we are doing for the AR-15. |
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Just a quick update to cover all the questions we get about the ALFA rail and all its variations:
Extended version for stamped AK is in production- available in about 8-10 weeks Mini Draco version is in production - available in about 8-10 weeks VEPR centerfire version has the design finished. Working on prototype right now. Should go to production in the next few weeks. VEPR 12 version in the design process Milled AK version in the design process Other models to follow as time allows! |
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Just wait until you see what we are doing for the AR-15. View Quote Making a steel receiver instead of aluminum, switching from sketchy unreliable DI to piston, eliminating half the parts (especially all those g****m little springs and detents) and testing with the obligatory ham sammich? |
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Just wait until you see what we are doing for the AR-15. Making a steel receiver instead of aluminum, switching from sketchy unreliable DI to piston, eliminating half the parts (especially all those g****m little springs and detents) and testing with the obligatory ham sammich? Uhhhhh.no. Just no. You'll see... |
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Who said Extended Keymod AK rail? <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/ma-12300%20left.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-12300%20left.jpg</a> View Quote I think an Osprey-shaped suppressor would look good tucked under that hand guard on an SBR. |
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Who said Extended Keymod AK rail? <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/Dawg180/media/ma-12300%20left.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/ma-12300%20left.jpg</a> I think an Osprey-shaped suppressor would look good tucked under that hand guard on an SBR. It would be a really tight squeeze, but the concept is good- Maybe we can talk to Ratworx about that concept. Sven Manticore Arms |
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FYI the Superlow Picatinny Top Covers are back in stock.
Right now it is set up that you can buy them with the ALFA Rail lowers as an option, I will get it listed as a separate product on the website tomorrow for those looking to add it to their current ALFA Rail lower. |
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I think the extended version would be great on an RPK...
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If we were to make a dedicated "CR" lower we would prune it back flush with the front of the front sight base so the 24mm threads were exposed and make a dedicated "notched" top cover for the front sight that looks similar to the current one we are making for the Mini Draco View Quote That would be great |
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ALFA RAILS are now available in ARC LOK. Just got them up on the website.
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Hot damn but that looks great! How does this lower look with a standard upper HG? Can't afford both right now lol. Got a rifle on the way from CNC warrior with your Renegade front set-up, but Tyler said he was out of the PA/aimpoint micro specific tops, any ETA on more of those? http://www.manticorearms.com/images/MA-11280%20on%20gun(1).jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ALFA RAILS are now available in ARC LOK. Just got them up on the website. Sven Manticore Arms Hot damn but that looks great! How does this lower look with a standard upper HG? Can't afford both right now lol. Got a rifle on the way from CNC warrior with your Renegade front set-up, but Tyler said he was out of the PA/aimpoint micro specific tops, any ETA on more of those? http://www.manticorearms.com/images/MA-11280%20on%20gun(1).jpg Let me slap an upper handguard on the gun and snap a picture. CNC hasn't ordered anymore Renegade Top Covers from us recently, I will check in with Tyler on that. |
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Hot damn but that looks great! How does this lower look with a standard upper HG? Can't afford both right now lol. Got a rifle on the way from CNC warrior with your Renegade front set-up, but Tyler said he was out of the PA/aimpoint micro specific tops, any ETA on more of those? http://www.manticorearms.com/images/MA-11280%20on%20gun(1).jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ALFA RAILS are now available in ARC LOK. Just got them up on the website. Sven Manticore Arms Hot damn but that looks great! How does this lower look with a standard upper HG? Can't afford both right now lol. Got a rifle on the way from CNC warrior with your Renegade front set-up, but Tyler said he was out of the PA/aimpoint micro specific tops, any ETA on more of those? http://www.manticorearms.com/images/MA-11280%20on%20gun(1).jpg While not the ARC LOK version I'd say it gives you an idea of how it will look. Image is from Rob Ski at AKOU. |
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