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Posted: 7/28/2014 10:29:08 PM EDT
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I branched out into 5.45 just for/because of 7n6.
If I hadn't seen the ban coming and put a way a "ton" of it, then I wouldn't go 5.45 today. Get a 5.56 AK. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 10:36:42 PM EDT
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I would suggest you watch this, Jim talks about many things but he touches on caliber selection. As he says in the video I would start out with a 7.62x39. I enjoy having an AK in the classic caliber but it is still a very effective choice. As you said Wolf ammo is similar in price between 7.62 and 5.45 but 7.62 mags are more avaliable and good mil-spec mags can be had for $10-12 shipped if you watch for deals. I currently have two 7.62 AKs and looking a getting a third. I may get a 5.45 one day but my current thought process is if I want something with 5.56 performance I'm getting an AR. That being said "krinks" are sey as hell.
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Posted: 7/28/2014 10:43:30 PM EDT
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I branched out into 5.45 just for/because of 7n6. If I hadn't seen the ban coming and put a way a "ton" of it, then I wouldn't go 5.45 today. Get a 5.56 AK. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I branched out into 5.45 just for/because of 7n6. If I hadn't seen the ban coming and put a way a "ton" of it, then I wouldn't go 5.45 today. Get a 5.56 AK. Aren't quality mags an issue for 5.56 AKs? If I wanted .30 caliber and expensive/rare mags I'd buy a SCAR 
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I would suggest you watch this, Jim talks about many things but he touches on caliber selection. As he says in the video I would start out with a 7.62x39. I enjoy having an AK in the classic caliber but it is still a very effective choice. As you said Wolf ammo is similar in price between 7.62 and 5.45 but 7.62 mags are more avaliable and good mil-spec mags can be had for $10-12 shipped if you watch for deals. I currently have two 7.62 AKs and looking a getting a third. I may get a 5.45 one day but my current thought process is if I want something with 5.56 performance I'm getting an AR. That being said "krinks" are sey as hell. Agreed on the Krinks, which is why I'm strongly considering a PAP. I'll check out the video, thanks. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 10:51:00 PM EDT
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I own 3 AK's all are 7.62x39.
Mags are readily available as they've been made since 1947 by just about everybody. Ammo is cheaper than 5.56mm, and I can buy it at Walmart, cant find 5.45 at Walmart locally. I recently purchased an M92 Pap pistol and enjoy shooting it. I did add the SB47 to it which makes a huge difference IMO. The Draco has a 12 inch barrel and the M92 has a 10 inch barrel. Out of a shorter barrel, velocity becomes an issue. With that in mind, I wanted a bigger bullet. Just my rationale... |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 11:02:48 PM EDT
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The 7.62 pap pistol ? They work well when paired with the century arms "arm brace".
As for 5.56 AK mags the problem isn't necessarily quality, stay away from promag and similar crap. Good 5.56 AK mags can be difficult to find and very expensive when you do find some in stock. Definitive arms has a good idea with their AR mag conversion but it's fairly spendy. IMO stay away from 5.56 AKs. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:24:29 AM EDT
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Aren't quality mags an issue for 5.56 AKs? If I wanted .30 caliber and expensive/rare mags I'd buy a SCAR
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I branched out into 5.45 just for/because of 7n6. If I hadn't seen the ban coming and put a way a "ton" of it, then I wouldn't go 5.45 today. Get a 5.56 AK. Aren't quality mags an issue for 5.56 AKs? If I wanted .30 caliber and expensive/rare mags I'd buy a SCAR
I purchased an Arsenal SLR-106FR just to have an AK in 5.56. I bought a dozen polymer waffles at the same time and they all function fine. They are on the expensive side these days...but, like most everything else, they don't get cheaper with time. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:54:45 AM EDT
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If you're gonna go the 5.56 route, go check out JGsales right now.
$7.95 mags Also have $4 10 rounders. You will need to pick up an M85 pap for those which can be found for $400 or so. Here's one for $435. You can also throw a brace on it if you want, or SBR it if you want to wait 6 months to a year. So lets say you do 20 mags at $7.95 and the gun at $435, plus a brace at $130. $624 total plus shipping, and whatever ammo you want. Can't beat the price right now if that's what you're looking for. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 6:50:30 AM EDT
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7.62x39 is actually quite beginner-friendly in terms of recoil, so I wouldn't worry about the wife having any problems shooting it. I got into guns via the SKS and branched out to the AK from there, so 7.62x39 has always been my favorite rifle cartridge. Killed my first buck with an SKS and then probably 10 more deer after that with the same rifle, so it was always accurate enough for me.
Once I bought an AR, I never saw any point in getting into the 5.45/5.56 AK's for the same reason you mentioned. Just seemed redundant. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 7:16:23 AM EDT
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7.62x39 everyday of the week.
The appeal for me of 5.45 was cheap 7n6, and I shot about 18k rounds of it from 2008-2010. With that not so cheap anymore, 7.62 is the only logical choice. 5.56x45 in an AK is sweet - but an AR is a much better platform in terms of cost and capabilities. For instance, mags are dumb cheap, parts are abundant, easily suppressed, better accuracy can be had, and optics mounting is a no brainer. Also, it's much easier and cheaper to rebarrel after you've shot all that Russian .223 through it. Just my .02 on the 5.56 AK. 7.62x39 is a beast of a round and it performs well for it's intended role. It's fun to shoot and packs a nice punch on target. Another benefit is that the fps loss with SBR's is not as drastic. Mags are also much cheaper and parts are plentiful. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:18:47 AM EDT
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The same one I originally started with: 7.62x39
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:19:40 AM EDT
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7.62X39 for the following reasons-
-Mags are cheap and plentiful -You can find ammo everywhere, and it is relatively inexpensive online -The round kicks ass. Get softpoints or one of the rounds that has shown ballistic gel effectiveness, and it is effective in flesh and the bullet has the weight and energy to penetrate glass and minor barriers without being completely disrupted. -Recoil of the round itself is not bad. The rifles generally have thin stocks with a metal plate on the end which can be very uncomfortable after a day of shooting, but that can be fixed with a recoil pad or an upgrade to AR style stocks. -Anyone who says the round is inaccurate is an internet warrior. My friends and I with AK47s repeatedly hit my 8x10 steel target at 300 yards with non magnified red dots, and my buddy has a 4x scope on his and we can hit the same plate at 400 yards pretty effectively. None of the rounds in discussion are ones that I would want be engaging targets past 300 yards anyway, and the 7.62x39 will be very effective within that range. -The 7.62x39 is just........FUN! I have an AR that I have a lot of money into with the brake, midlength gas, etc, I can put many rounds on target very quickly, but I still find myself picking up the AK47 and enjoying it just as much or more. The sounds and recoil and feel of it just kick ass. I don't think I'd enjoy the AK platform as much without that heavy round coming out the end. NOW YOU ARE MAKING ME WANT TO GO TO THE RANGE. GET IT! LOL |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:29:58 AM EDT
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7.62x39mm all the way. Go with SLR107-FR, the factory brake will erase much of the recoil
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Posted: 7/29/2014 11:23:24 AM EDT
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Sounds like there's no school like the old school
Thanks guys.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:16:39 PM EDT
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7.62x39 of course!
.22 cal is for girls and kids under 10. 
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:19:21 PM EDT
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I agree. Go 7.62X39. It is effective. I have a SLR 106UR 223 AK. I have enough circle 10 mags to get by with it. If you get a 223 AK I recommend a slr or a polish. Get some circle 10 s. I hear Tapco's work ok? Others will come in or be made. So there it is 7.62 or 223 third place go's to 5.45. :)
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I branched out into 5.45 just for/because of 7n6. If I hadn't seen the ban coming and put a way a "ton" of it, then I wouldn't go 5.45 today. Fj Get a 5.56 AK. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:54:11 PM EDT
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7.62x39 is the round. Much more fun to shoot from the stand point of Recoil & Punch.
Ammo is cheap! Let's face it! If the SHTF, AK in 7.62x39 is probably the most utilized rifle in the world by many countries. So there is probably more ammo in 7.62x39 around the world that being manufactured & stock piled. Then again there may be less! Just My .02! |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:19:32 PM EDT
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M92 PAP inbound. I just hope this J&G ammo thing doesn't cause people to go full retard.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:45:44 PM EDT
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M92 is a good Krink.
This is mine now  " />
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M92 PAP inbound. I just hope this J&G ammo thing doesn't cause people to go full retard. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:49:02 PM EDT
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I did 7.62 cause it was the real, original deal and it was significantly different from my ARs. Shooting 5.45 maybe not so much. On women and 7.62, my diminutive stature girlfriend likes the 7.62 AK without any comp the best of all my guns, specifically because it kicks harder than the ARs and isnt as hard to control as a pistol. So... there ya go.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:16:05 PM EDT
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i would have started years ago instead of this year. bnut stuck with 5.45
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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:41:19 PM EDT
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7.62x39 is the round. Much more fun to shoot from the stand point of Recoil & Punch.
Ammo is cheap! Let's face it! If the SHTF, AK in 7.62x39 is probably the most utilized rifle in the world by many countries. So there is probably more ammo in 7.62x39 around the world that being manufactured & stock piled. Then again there may be less! Just My .02! |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 5:10:22 PM EDT
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I started off with 7.62x39, considered 5.45x39 and 5.56, but ended up sticking with 7.62x39, and now I'm kinda glad I did. My only regret is that I sold my Yugo M70 under folder to help fund a move.
Part of me is a little nervous about ammo from Russia being banned, but there are other sources too. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 8:21:36 PM EDT
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They are both great calibers and affordable.
If 7n6 was still around I would suggest 5.45 But it isn't so 7.62x39 ftw
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Posted: 7/30/2014 3:39:33 AM EDT
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I would have done the same and gotten both. Each has strengths and weaknesses, so it's basically a wash that comes down to personal preference.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 4:07:08 AM EDT
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7.62x39 packs more punch... Reason I didn't add a 5.45 was ammo supply in the long run.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 6:10:34 AM EDT
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I like shooting the 5.45 much more. Its more accurate too, at least with surplus and commercial ammo (aside from Lapua)
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Posted: 7/30/2014 11:16:46 AM EDT
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Same today as when I first got into AK's. 7.62x39
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Posted: 7/30/2014 12:28:53 PM EDT
[#28]
5.45 was my first AK and it'd be the caliber I'd start back with. My favorite full-size AKs are my 5.45 ones.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 5:40:41 PM EDT
[#29]
I would still pick x39 mostly because its cheap and powerful. Wish I would have kept my SKS but I got an AK now
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Posted: 7/30/2014 6:54:30 PM EDT
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Both are great, but I really like my '74s for some reason. If I really wanted to pound stuff, I'd go for .308. |
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Posted: 7/30/2014 7:35:56 PM EDT
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I agree with all the logic listed for getting the 7.62x39. I'm not a fan of .223 AKs other than my IMI Galil. Lol!
At this moment I slightly prefer my 5.45x39. I used a lot of the 7N6 but not in my AK type rifle. I used it in an AR and still have a lot of 7N6 for it. Bummer it won't be available. Always used non corrosive in the SGL31though. It is as accurate as an AR with XM193 or 855. It's a sweet smooth shooting rifle. love it. Have a lot of non corrosive 5.45 set aside as well. As always I'd prefer to have both and hope both calibers remain available. Who knows what will happen. Have another 7.62x39 rifle arriving Tuesday so maybe I'll change my tune and shoot more of it in the near future. I like having something to shoot all the available mil calibers. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:54:48 PM EDT
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Why do you want an AK anyway Their Icky.
I have them in all calibers but I just don't enjoy shooting them any more. I did just pick up the M77 in 308. Adjustable gas and threads for my Can, What's not to like.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:11:42 PM EDT
[#33]
As much as I like the 5.45, if I only had one caliber it would be 7.62x39.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:24:21 PM EDT
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5.56. The 5.45 is screwed now and 7.62 is next up. And I own three 7.62 and no 5.56
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:38:08 PM EDT
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Well, we seemed to have thoroughly hashed out why 5.45 isnt good lets look at why it is:
5.45 over 7.62: - flatter shooting with more range (more accurate) - lighter cartridge, lighter mags - quicker followup shooting 5.45 is just as available on line as 7.62, yeah so you wont find 5.45 in your local wal-mart, so what, any decent panic and walmart only has .243 and shotgun shells... so if thats your concern, you need a saiga/vepr 12. 5.45 and 7.62 are subject to the same potential for bans. banning 7.62 steel core did not kill the rounds popularity, and neither will 5.45. Also, thanks to 5.45's relative obscurity, when panics hit, they usually hit 5.45 not nearly as hard as 5.56 or 7.62. I recall still being able to buy 5.45 at reasonable prices in Jan-Mar '13, you couldn't touch the others during that time. There is plenty of arguments to be made for using 5.56 as you get all the advantages of 5.45, but I will submit to you this: 5.56 is NOT meant for AKs and there is a reason NO military uses 5.56 AK, the straight wall (no taper) of the 5.56 does not lend itself as well to working in an AK, as does the tapered cases of the 7.62 and 5.45. Plus the mag issue. Also, it seems, 5.56 steel case (bi metal bullets) wear out 5.56 AK barrels pretty good, and replacing an AK barrel is leaps and bounds harder than doing so in an AR. Certainly, having 1 centerfire round is an arguable point, but I say having the most common western caliber and most obscure eastern caliber hedges your bets, pretty rare for both to be in full panic at the same time. Personally, I'm okay with going 22 calibre for centerfire intermediate rifle. 7.62x39 is obsolete, but so is 22lr, but it stays around because its chambered in SOOO many existing rifles. If you really want .30 caliber, your question should be 7.62x54r or .308. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:38:49 PM EDT
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The 5.45 is screwed now and 7.62 is next up.6 I hope all the people who believe that sell all of their stuff cheap |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:42:39 PM EDT
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The 5.45 is screwed now and 7.62 is next up.6 I hope all the people who believe that sell of their stuff cheap We must have different definitions of "screwed", because from where I sit, my internets tell me I can get 5.45 no limit for .20 - .25 a round, plenty of 7n6 to be had. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:48:46 PM EDT
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We must have different definitions of "screwed", because from where I sit, my internets tell me I can get 5.45 no limit for .20 - .25 a round, plenty of 7n6 to be had. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 5.45 is screwed now and 7.62 is next up.6 I hope all the people who believe that sell of their stuff cheap We must have different definitions of "screwed", because from where I sit, my internets tell me I can get 5.45 no limit for .20 - .25 a round, plenty of 7n6 to be had. I agree with you. For something that is apparently screwed, I'm not having any trouble finding it. So hopefully the guys who fear it is screwed sell off their rifles cheap so I can buy them 
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Posted: 7/31/2014 6:51:13 PM EDT
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I started with the PAP because I like the look, and the ammo situation long-term seemed to favor 7.62. If I decide I like the platform, my next will likely be a Bulgarian 74. This is Arfcom, right?
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Posted: 7/31/2014 7:40:46 PM EDT
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Well, we seemed to have thoroughly hashed out why 5.45 isnt good lets look at why it is: 5.45 over 7.62: - flatter shooting with more range (more accurate) - lighter cartridge, lighter mags - quicker followup shooting 5.45 is just as available on line as 7.62, yeah so you wont find 5.45 in your local wal-mart, so what, any decent panic and walmart only has .243 and shotgun shells... so if thats your concern, you need a saiga/vepr 12. 5.45 and 7.62 are subject to the same potential for bans. banning 7.62 steel core did not kill the rounds popularity, and neither will 5.45. Also, thanks to 5.45's relative obscurity, when panics hit, they usually hit 5.45 not nearly as hard as 5.56 or 7.62. I recall still being able to buy 5.45 at reasonable prices in Jan-Mar '13, you couldn't touch the others during that time. There is plenty of arguments to be made for using 5.56 as you get all the advantages of 5.45, but I will submit to you this: 5.56 is NOT meant for AKs and there is a reason NO military uses 5.56 AK, the straight wall (no taper) of the 5.56 does not lend itself as well to working in an AK, as does the tapered cases of the 7.62 and 5.45. Plus the mag issue. Also, it seems, 5.56 steel case (bi metal bullets) wear out 5.56 AK barrels pretty good, and replacing an AK barrel is leaps and bounds harder than doing so in an AR. Certainly, having 1 centerfire round is an arguable point, but I say having the most common western caliber and most obscure eastern caliber hedges your bets, pretty rare for both to be in full panic at the same time. Personally, I'm okay with going 22 calibre for centerfire intermediate rifle. 7.62x39 is obsolete, but so is 22lr, but it stays around because its chambered in SOOO many existing rifles. If you really want .30 caliber, your question should be 7.62x54r or .308. Pretty sure the Poles and the Bulgarians use the 5.56 AK. I have heard the taper argument on the 5.56 ak and I say meh. I have an slr 106 F with a round count up at 9,000 and I admit, I did have 1 FTE. About 1/2 of the rounds fired were either 193 or 855 with the rest being steel case Russian crap. I don't really clean it that well, just a pass w the bore snake, but to the naked eye the cl hf barrel looks just almost as good as my unfired 106. It still shoots as well as the day I got it. To each is own caliber choice but the lack of taper in the 5.56/223 cartridge is a non issue with the current Bulgarian rifles. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 8:08:56 PM EDT
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there is a reason NO military uses 5.56 AK, . You better check yourself before you wreck yourself |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:33:40 AM EDT
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' lack of taper in the 5.56/223 cartridge' Does not apply an AK is no different than an AR when it comes to extracting a spent case.
Don't be a Pussy get a 308.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:37:00 AM EDT
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I started with the PAP because I like the look, and the ammo situation long-term seemed to favor 7.62. If I decide I like the platform, my next will likely be a Bulgarian 74. This is Arfcom, right? I'd be offended if you didn't
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:40:21 AM EDT
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300 blk 308/7.62 7.62x54r ... 22lr ect
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:20:11 AM EDT
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Get a Chinese AK in 7.62x39. You won't regret it.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:29:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 7.62x39 everyday of the week. The appeal for me of 5.45 was cheap 7n6, and I shot about 18k rounds of it from 2008-2010. With that not so cheap anymore, 7.62 is the only logical choice. 5.56x45 in an AK is sweet - but an AR is a much better platform in terms of cost and capabilities. For instance, mags are dumb cheap, parts are abundant, easily suppressed, better accuracy can be had, and optics mounting is a no brainer. Also, it's much easier and cheaper to rebarrel after you've shot all that Russian .223 through it. Just my .02 on the 5.56 AK. 7.62x39 is a beast of a round and it performs well for it's intended role. It's fun to shoot and packs a nice punch on target. Another benefit is that the fps loss with SBR's is not as drastic. Mags are also much cheaper and parts are plentiful. This statement is why I never got into 5.56x45mm AKs and am glad I didn't trade when I had a chance. When I picked up my first AK it was an SGL 31-61 in 5.45x39mm. If I could do it all over again, I probably would still pick 5.45x39mm, corrosive and non-corrosive. I would have just made better financial decisions and put more money into buying cans upon cans of ammo rather than spend it on some other vice. Right now... I basically am starting over. I have no AK. I have minimal magazines and minimal ammunition. And I picked 5.45x39mm again. I have a parts kit waiting for me at home to be built over the next few months. I was on the verge of grabbing 7.62x39mm and a nice WASR 10/63, but I just enjoy the smaller, high velocity round that is 5.45x39mm. All that said, I recommend to anyone wanting to pick up their first AK to get 7.62x39mm. It's cheaper to get a quality AKM than it is to get a quality AK74. Mags are more available as is ammo. There is a more variety of ammo available too. Unlike 5.45x39mm, you can get ammo produced in Bosnia, Serbia, South Korea, USA, Romania, Bulgaria and hopefully soon the Czech Republic as they are switching to 5.56x45mm. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 2:48:15 PM EDT
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No Shat!
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Posted: 8/1/2014 2:57:20 PM EDT
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5.45 was my first AK and it'd be the caliber I'd start back with. My favorite full-size AKs are my 5.45 ones. Love your avatar. I'm just finishing up another pass at Call of Pripyat myself. 
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Posted: 8/1/2014 2:59:56 PM EDT
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<snip> There is plenty of arguments to be made for using 5.56 as you get all the advantages of 5.45, but I will submit to you this: 5.56 is NOT meant for AKs and there is a reason NO military uses 5.56 AK, the straight wall (no taper) of the 5.56 does not lend itself as well to working in an AK, as does the tapered cases of the 7.62 and 5.45. Plus the mag issue. Also, it seems, 5.56 steel case (bi metal bullets) wear out 5.56 AK barrels pretty good, and replacing an AK barrel is leaps and bounds harder than doing so in an AR. <snip>. Poland does. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 3:07:38 PM EDT
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My first semi-auto carbine/rifle was a .223/5.56 Saiga. It was relatively inexpensive at the time and back then 5.56 Nato XM193 only cost $2 a box (this was pre September 11, 2001).
It was a project gun that helped me understand the inner workings of the AK. If I could do it all over again I'm not sure I'd still have gone with 5.56 over 7.62x39, but I don't regret that I did it. It's been a fun learning experience and I don't feel guilty feeding it steel case ammo. |
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