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Posted: 4/20/2014 4:39:39 PM EDT
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An illegal sbr? nope not my cup of tea.
I wait till I have stamp in hand before gathering parts. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 4:46:55 PM EDT
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looks mighty fine
should've got a PAP through or AKMSU so it can take 7.62x39 boolets |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 4:48:35 PM EDT
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An illegal sbr? nope not my cup of tea. I wait till I have stamp in hand before gathering parts. Unlike attaching a complete short barrel AR-15 upper to an AR lower receiver, building an AK SBR requires a significant amount of work from a builder. I'm thinking that possessing the above parts and receiver (without tax stamp) would not be illegal, as there is no quick ability to build it and no clear Constructive Intent. If the owner had the shop tools and equipment to do the build, then I could say maybe say yes. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 4:54:28 PM EDT
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An illegal sbr? nope not my cup of tea. I wait till I have stamp in hand before gathering parts. A pile of AK parts isn't an illegal SBR. If that was the case, thousands of us are sitting on illegal SBRs. But.. that isn't the case. The rules for different guns are different. It's not like having a SBR AR upper with an lower that isn't registered as an SBR. Gotta love the forum NFA/922r/etc police. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 4:57:36 PM EDT
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Unlike attaching a complete short barrel AR-15 upper to an AR lower receiver, building an AK SBR requires a significant amount of work from a builder. I'm thinking that possessing the above parts and receiver (without tax stamp) would not be illegal, as there is no Constructive Intent. If the owner had the shop tools and equipment to do the build, then I could say maybe say yes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An illegal sbr? nope not my cup of tea. I wait till I have stamp in hand before gathering parts. Unlike attaching a complete short barrel AR-15 upper to an AR lower receiver, building an AK SBR requires a significant amount of work from a builder. I'm thinking that possessing the above parts and receiver (without tax stamp) would not be illegal, as there is no Constructive Intent. If the owner had the shop tools and equipment to do the build, then I could say maybe say yes. ATF plays by rules that aren't set in stone, I'll keep in the slow lane and let y'all have the fast lane. They have gone on record as saying that if a weapon can be converted to a MG in eight hours or less in a machine shop then it's a MG. (somewhere there's a video of a class 7sot building a MG from scratch in less than 8 hrs to use in the court case) Then there was the shoelace is a MG. And anything with three or more silencer parts is a silencer, even if it makes the report louder. I would either keep OPSEC or wait to collect the parts. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 4:59:29 PM EDT
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A pile of AK parts isn't an illegal SBR. If that was the case, thousands of us are sitting on illegal SBRs. But.. that isn't the case. The rules for different guns are different. It's not like having a SBR AR upper with an lower that isn't registered as an SBR. Gotta love the forum NFA/922r/etc police. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An illegal sbr? nope not my cup of tea. I wait till I have stamp in hand before gathering parts. A pile of AK parts isn't an illegal SBR. If that was the case, thousands of us are sitting on illegal SBRs. But.. that isn't the case. The rules for different guns are different. It's not like having a SBR AR upper with an lower that isn't registered as an SBR. Gotta love the forum NFA/922r/etc police. I didn't see the missing trigger group, I guess that makes it all ok then. 
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Posted: 4/20/2014 5:06:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An illegal sbr? nope not my cup of tea. I wait till I have stamp in hand before gathering parts. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 5:29:28 PM EDT
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The wait sucks plante74 but is so worth it.
 My Bulgy AKS-74U is the pride of my AK collection.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 5:32:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The wait sucks plante74 but is so worth it. My Bulgy AKS-74U is the pride of my AK collection. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 5:43:23 PM EDT
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Mmmmhmm. I've got a bulgy krink already but this is a Russian with a Bluejack v5. Can't get much better than that! Can't wait! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The wait sucks plante74 but is so worth it. My Bulgy AKS-74U is the pride of my AK collection.dude, itssss soooo fucking worth it, you're going to lose your mind once its complete |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 6:24:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: dude, itssss soooo fucking worth it, you're going to lose your mind once its complete Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The wait sucks plante74 but is so worth it. My Bulgy AKS-74U is the pride of my AK collection.dude, itssss soooo fucking worth it, you're going to lose your mind once its complete |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 7:24:46 PM EDT
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While I don't have the parts, I have been lusting after one over the last 4 years.
 But I got a PAP M92 and it's currently waiting to become a rifle since last may. 
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An illegal sbr? nope not my cup of tea. I wait till I have stamp in hand before gathering parts. 
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:57:58 AM EDT
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ATF plays by rules that aren't set in stone, I'll keep in the slow lane and let y'all have the fast lane. They have gone on record as saying that if a weapon can be converted to a MG in eight hours or less in a machine shop then it's a MG. (somewhere there's a video of a class 7sot building a MG from scratch in less than 8 hrs to use in the court case) Then there was the shoelace is a MG. And anything with three or more silencer parts is a silencer, even if it makes the report louder. I would either keep OPSEC or wait to collect the parts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An illegal sbr? nope not my cup of tea. I wait till I have stamp in hand before gathering parts. Unlike attaching a complete short barrel AR-15 upper to an AR lower receiver, building an AK SBR requires a significant amount of work from a builder. I'm thinking that possessing the above parts and receiver (without tax stamp) would not be illegal, as there is no Constructive Intent. If the owner had the shop tools and equipment to do the build, then I could say maybe say yes. ATF plays by rules that aren't set in stone, I'll keep in the slow lane and let y'all have the fast lane. They have gone on record as saying that if a weapon can be converted to a MG in eight hours or less in a machine shop then it's a MG. (somewhere there's a video of a class 7sot building a MG from scratch in less than 8 hrs to use in the court case) Then there was the shoelace is a MG. And anything with three or more silencer parts is a silencer, even if it makes the report louder. I would either keep OPSEC or wait to collect the parts. So going by your interpretation anyone who has a handgun or AK pistol and a spare stock in the same house is in possession of an illegal SBR? |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 6:19:32 AM EDT
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Wow people. You don't go apply for a tax stamp on a receiver before you have a parts kit. That doesn't even make sense. You have to write the type of firearm you are making on the application form. A pile of Parts isn't illegal...
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Posted: 4/21/2014 8:22:07 AM EDT
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Make sure to use quality screws Plante. Enigma II?
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Posted: 4/21/2014 9:20:56 AM EDT
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Tinfoil hats up in this thread.
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Posted: 4/21/2014 10:00:13 AM EDT
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NICE! Looking forward to the "completed" thread!
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Posted: 4/21/2014 12:49:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Make sure to use quality screws Plante. Enigma II? |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 6:17:56 PM EDT
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Wow people. You don't go apply for a tax stamp on a receiver before you have a parts kit. That doesn't even make sense. You have to write the type of firearm you are making on the application form. A pile of Parts isn't illegal... From the ATF website Here Q: May a FFL or an individual legally possess the parts to manufacture an SBR or SBS as long as no firearms are actually assembled? A FFL (Type-7 or Type-10) who pays the Special Occupational Tax (SOT) may possess parts required to assemble NFA firearms. A non-licensee or FFL who has not paid the SOT is required to register any NFA firearm via an ATF Form 1 (5320.1) prior to acquisition of the parts required to assemble such firearm. For the I ain't clicking no link crowd http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-short-barreled-rifles-shotguns.html Seems pretty clear guidance to me, but your might be ok. It's possible they are confused, they work for the ATF. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 4:06:58 AM EDT
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From the ATF website Here Q: May a FFL or an individual legally possess the parts to manufacture an SBR or SBS as long as no firearms are actually assembled? A FFL (Type-7 or Type-10) who pays the Special Occupational Tax (SOT) may possess parts required to assemble NFA firearms. A non-licensee or FFL who has not paid the SOT is required to register any NFA firearm via an ATF Form 1 (5320.1) prior to acquisition of the parts required to assemble such firearm. For the I ain't clicking no link crowd http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-short-barreled-rifles-shotguns.html Seems pretty clear guidance to me, but your might be ok. It's possible they are confused, they work for the ATF. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow people. You don't go apply for a tax stamp on a receiver before you have a parts kit. That doesn't even make sense. You have to write the type of firearm you are making on the application form. A pile of Parts isn't illegal... From the ATF website Here Q: May a FFL or an individual legally possess the parts to manufacture an SBR or SBS as long as no firearms are actually assembled? A FFL (Type-7 or Type-10) who pays the Special Occupational Tax (SOT) may possess parts required to assemble NFA firearms. A non-licensee or FFL who has not paid the SOT is required to register any NFA firearm via an ATF Form 1 (5320.1) prior to acquisition of the parts required to assemble such firearm. For the I ain't clicking no link crowd http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-short-barreled-rifles-shotguns.html Seems pretty clear guidance to me, but your might be ok. It's possible they are confused, they work for the ATF. Just stop man. Clearly all the parts to build and complete an sbr are not there. Your wrong just stop. Gonna be sweet OP. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 7:08:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just stop man. Clearly all the parts to build and complete an sbr are not there. Your wrong just stop. Gonna be sweet OP. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wow people. You don't go apply for a tax stamp on a receiver before you have a parts kit. That doesn't even make sense. You have to write the type of firearm you are making on the application form. A pile of Parts isn't illegal... From the ATF website Here Q: May a FFL or an individual legally possess the parts to manufacture an SBR or SBS as long as no firearms are actually assembled? A FFL (Type-7 or Type-10) who pays the Special Occupational Tax (SOT) may possess parts required to assemble NFA firearms. A non-licensee or FFL who has not paid the SOT is required to register any NFA firearm via an ATF Form 1 (5320.1) prior to acquisition of the parts required to assemble such firearm. For the I ain't clicking no link crowd http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-short-barreled-rifles-shotguns.html Seems pretty clear guidance to me, but your might be ok. It's possible they are confused, they work for the ATF. Just stop man. Clearly all the parts to build and complete an sbr are not there. Your wrong just stop. Gonna be sweet OP. Mods- this thread obviously went the opposite way it was supposed to so shit can it of you want.
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Posted: 4/22/2014 3:13:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2014 5:44:36 PM EDT
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Thread closed per OP's request.
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Posted: 4/22/2014 5:44:55 PM EDT
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