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Posted: 10/4/2013 8:31:26 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By MilitaryArms:
Originally Posted By beanz2:
MAC or plouffedaddy,

How does it compare to the Krebs KV-13?

http://www.krebscustom.com/mediacenter/images/kv-13.jpg
I don't have one to play with. I would be curious as to how the rear sight is mounted to the gun, aside from what appears to be the obvious.

I'm not an iron sight kind of guy, I'll take a RDS over irons every time. For this reason I prefer the setup of the AK15. If you're into irons, and if the rear sight is rock solid, the KV-13 looks pretty good to me. But again, I have zero experience with it.








Sorry for the crappy cell phone photos but it'll have to do for now. It should get the general point across though.

The real genius is the way Krebs used a combination of welded plates and strategic milling on the end of the spring to get the top cover to retail zero---It really is one of those "why didn't anyone think of this earlier" things.
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Posted: 10/4/2013 8:49:13 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By plouffedaddy:
The real genius is the way Krebs used a combination of welded plates and strategic milling on the end of the spring to get the top cover to retail zero---It really is one of those "why didn't anyone think of this earlier" things.


Someone did think of it earlier; Valmets and Galils.
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Posted: 10/4/2013 9:22:29 PM
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By plouffedaddy:
Originally Posted By beanz2:
MAC or plouffedaddy,

How does it compare to the Krebs KV-13?

http://www.krebscustom.com/mediacenter/images/kv-13.jpg


Tough to say as I don't have an AK-15 at my disposal. But, I can definitively say the KV-13 is the nicest 7.62 AK variant I've laid my hands on to date.

http://imageshack.us/a/img405/209/kroy.png


Yep, the KV-13 is a great shooter...









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Posted: 10/4/2013 9:30:46 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Farmer-Ted:
Originally Posted By plouffedaddy:
The real genius is the way Krebs used a combination of welded plates and strategic milling on the end of the spring to get the top cover to retail zero---It really is one of those "why didn't anyone think of this earlier" things.


Someone did think of it earlier; Valmets and Galils.


Touche'.

I was referring to a US custom shop but you win this round
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Posted: 10/4/2013 10:44:53 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By plouffedaddy:
Originally Posted By MilitaryArms:
Originally Posted By beanz2:
MAC or plouffedaddy,

How does it compare to the Krebs KV-13?

http://www.krebscustom.com/mediacenter/images/kv-13.jpg
I don't have one to play with. I would be curious as to how the rear sight is mounted to the gun, aside from what appears to be the obvious.

I'm not an iron sight kind of guy, I'll take a RDS over irons every time. For this reason I prefer the setup of the AK15. If you're into irons, and if the rear sight is rock solid, the KV-13 looks pretty good to me. But again, I have zero experience with it.


http://imageshack.us/a/img580/9210/dpnx.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img856/8032/p9t1.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img405/3980/qyxw.jpg

Sorry for the crappy cell phone photos but it'll have to do for now. It should get the general point across though.

The real genius is the way Krebs used a combination of welded plates and strategic milling on the end of the spring to get the top cover to retail zero---It really is one of those "why didn't anyone think of this earlier" things.
Thanks, brother. That helps me to understand how it was done. I know Marc wouldn't do anything half-assed, but looking at the promo pics I couldn't figure out how he got the top cover to remain solidly placed and able to maintain zero.
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Posted: 10/4/2013 10:45:55 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By TheUziButton:
Originally Posted By plouffedaddy:
Originally Posted By beanz2:
MAC or plouffedaddy,

How does it compare to the Krebs KV-13?

http://www.krebscustom.com/mediacenter/images/kv-13.jpg


Tough to say as I don't have an AK-15 at my disposal. But, I can definitively say the KV-13 is the nicest 7.62 AK variant I've laid my hands on to date.

http://imageshack.us/a/img405/209/kroy.png


Yep, the KV-13 is a great shooter...
http://www.theuzibutton.com/ArfCom/KCKV13_01.jpg

http://www.theuzibutton.com/ArfCom/images/KrbSt_Luke_01.jpg

http://www.theuzibutton.com/ArfCom/images/KCKV13_02.jpg

http://www.theuzibutton.com/ArfCom/images/KCKV13_04.jpg

http://www.theuzibutton.com/ArfCom/images/KCKV13_03.jpg
We need to get together to do some photography, given how close we are and all.
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Posted: 10/4/2013 10:48:35 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By plouffedaddy:
Originally Posted By beanz2:
MAC or plouffedaddy,

How does it compare to the Krebs KV-13?

http://www.krebscustom.com/mediacenter/images/kv-13.jpg


Tough to say as I don't have an AK-15 at my disposal. But, I can definitively say the KV-13 is the nicest 7.62 AK variant I've laid my hands on to date.

http://imageshack.us/a/img405/209/kroy.png
That's until you shoot this AK15, then you'll want it and will walk over your KV-13 to get to it.
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Posted: 10/5/2013 12:06:00 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By plouffedaddy:
I was referring to a US custom shop but you win this round


Its definately a better sight arrangement, don't know why more don't do it.
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Posted: 10/5/2013 12:54:53 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By MilitaryArms:
Originally Posted By TheUziButton:
Originally Posted By plouffedaddy:
Originally Posted By beanz2:
MAC or plouffedaddy,

How does it compare to the Krebs KV-13?

http://www.krebscustom.com/mediacenter/images/kv-13.jpg


Tough to say as I don't have an AK-15 at my disposal. But, I can definitively say the KV-13 is the nicest 7.62 AK variant I've laid my hands on to date.

http://imageshack.us/a/img405/209/kroy.png


Yep, the KV-13 is a great shooter...
http://www.theuzibutton.com/ArfCom/KCKV13_01.jpg

http://www.theuzibutton.com/ArfCom/images/KrbSt_Luke_01.jpg

http://www.theuzibutton.com/ArfCom/images/KCKV13_02.jpg

http://www.theuzibutton.com/ArfCom/images/KCKV13_04.jpg

http://www.theuzibutton.com/ArfCom/images/KCKV13_03.jpg
We need to get together to do some photography, given how close we are and all.



Most certainly! And you need to show me how to edit video.
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Posted: 10/5/2013 8:08:41 AM
[Jump To Reply][b]Originally Posted By plouffedaddy

The real genius is the way Krebs used a combination of welded plates and strategic milling on the end of the spring to get the top cover to retail zero---It really is one of those "why didn't anyone think of this earlier" things.


What miling on the end of the spring?

I don't recall seeing any on my KV-13.
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Posted: 10/5/2013 10:48:31 AM
Now that Tim and the forum has made nice and had make-up posting, I'd just like to encourage Tim to never, ever, ever again, use the term "the sexy" in public. I don't care if you are a Kentucky Colonel, that shit would've got you in a fist fight back when you were just a Lance Corporal and it still ain't right.
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Posted: 10/5/2013 8:25:06 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:
Now that Tim and the forum has made nice and had make-up posting, I'd just like to encourage Tim to never, ever, ever again, use the term "the sexy" in public. I don't care if you are a Kentucky Colonel, that shit would've got you in a fist fight back when you were just a Lance Corporal and it still ain't right.

You're just jealous. Of what, I don't know exactly... but I'm sure of it.
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Posted: 10/6/2013 11:29:17 AM
Question on the Vepr based rifle pictured. Were the barrels cut and pinned? Will that keymod work on a 5.45 Vepr allowing the front sight to stay in place - that is why I ask. It looks really long in those pics. Also, on Kreb's site it states the key mod is for Saiga rifles. Is he selling a Vepr model?
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Posted: 10/6/2013 11:49:31 AM
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Krebs needs to bring sexy back:

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Posted: 10/6/2013 1:17:47 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By primuspilum:
Krebs needs to bring sexy back:

http://www.valmet.org/VEPR%20KTR%20.223%20RS.jpg


I second that motion!

Also to answer Citadel-SC's question, Krebs told me the barrel is cut and the flash hider is pinned to 16.25" length. I read somewhere that they have to modify the VEPR's sight to fit their new handguard (front or rear sight, I can't recall), so they have not offered one for it yet.. The KV-13 is based on the newer VEPR with integrated rear sight.
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Posted: 10/6/2013 1:28:31 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By beanz2:
Originally Posted By primuspilum:
Krebs needs to bring sexy back:

http://www.valmet.org/VEPR%20KTR%20.223%20RS.jpg


I second that motion!

Also to answer Citadel-SC's question, Krebs told me the barrel is cut and the flash hider is pinned to 16.25" length. I read somewhere that they have to modify the VEPR's sight to fit their new handguard (front or rear sight, I can't recall), so they have not offered one for it yet.. The KV-13 is based on the newer VEPR with integrated rear sight.


Thanks. I was looking at getting a 5.45 Vepr with the standard rear sight so I guess the Saiga version would work. I was more concerned with the front sight on a 16" Vepr. I would want to keep the front sight so I was wondering if the key mod rail was too long. I have seen it both ways but I guess those are prototypes.
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Posted: 10/6/2013 1:53:12 PM
As soon as I saw the price.

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Posted: 10/12/2013 2:31:49 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By MilitaryArms:

What is it with the notion AK's should be stuck in the 1940's while the AR continues to evolve?


The AK is anchored to the 1940's by virtue of the design. There are aspects of the design that can be brought up to date, but there are aspects that cannot... Even the Russians are trying to get away from it. You've just gotta dig the AK because it's an AK, and not try to make it into something that it's not.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By eodinert:
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What is it with the notion AK's should be stuck in the 1940's while the AR continues to evolve?


The AK is anchored to the 1940's by virtue of the design. There are aspects of the design that can be brought up to date, but there are aspects that cannot... Even the Russians are trying to get away from it. You've just gotta dig the AK because it's an AK, and not try to make it into something that it's not.



This is actually a really good observation. At some point you have to start making some pretty serious changes to the design to get it to be "modern", more than just handguard swaps and top rails to cover the thing in picatinny rail.

The safety on the AK and the prblematic location of the sight plane (i.e. way too low to allow co-witness with modern optics) are the two most obvious parts anchored in the original 1940's design that require some real design changes from the get-go to accommodate a more modern design.
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Posted: 10/12/2013 3:25:13 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Originally Posted By eodinert:
Originally Posted By MilitaryArms:

What is it with the notion AK's should be stuck in the 1940's while the AR continues to evolve?


The AK is anchored to the 1940's by virtue of the design. There are aspects of the design that can be brought up to date, but there are aspects that cannot... Even the Russians are trying to get away from it. You've just gotta dig the AK because it's an AK, and not try to make it into something that it's not.



This is actually a really good observation. At some point you have to start making some pretty serious changes to the design to get it to be "modern", more than just handguard swaps and top rails to cover the thing in picatinny rail.

The safety on the AK and the prblematic location of the sight plane (i.e. way too low to allow co-witness with modern optics) are the two most obvious parts anchored in the original 1940's design that require some real design changes from the get-go to accommodate a more modern design.


I agree completely. That's why Kalashnikov Concern is working on the new AK-12 - a complete overhaul of the AK platform - which will address both concerns your raised, as well as some other ones.
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Sig 556 plus Aimpoint = DONE

Or buy a good AR, Aimpoint, rail, stock, sling, ammo, and training for less than this "AK-15"
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Posted: 10/13/2013 9:51:11 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Sig 556 plus Aimpoint = DONE
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oh yea, a 3-4 MOA sig 5,56
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Posted: 10/16/2013 7:07:33 AM
I like it MAC but you and I have similar tastes in guns.

I know Marc had been looking for a working AR mag conversion for a long time. Him endorsing this one and building a rifle with it means it works.
While this will start out as an expensive rifle, as all things AK go, I expect we'll see other 5.56 AK's from other companies with this conversion in a few years.
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Sig 556 plus Aimpoint = DONE
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oh yea, a 3-4 MOA sig 5,56


That's your contention for new SIG 556s?
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