 HarryWild 
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:22:39 PM
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dskeet
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:29:25 PM
Hasn't been announced. Hard to say without actually using one or at least seeing a detailed review. Your guess is as good as mine.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:31:05 PM
No time soon. It is still in testing and development stage. I would not expect to see an imported civilian version for a long while. Given that the development continues, it is difficult to say how much better the final product will be in comparison to AK-74M.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:32:58 PM
Originally Posted By HarryWild:
When is it expect to be shipped to the U.S.? How much of an improvement is it over the AK-74? How much do you think it will cost? When is it expect to be shipped to the U.S.? Standby, let me check my crystal ball... How much of an improvement is it over the AK-74? 23% improvements When is it expect to be shipped to the U.S.? Re-shaking crystal ball... How much do you think it will cost? Come on crystal ball!!!! 
In all seriousness, its probably too early to tell. I just hope they hurry. It looks pretty ugly, but very functional at the same time. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:34:55 PM
I think it will never get here, if it does, those commie Ruskie bastards need to send us their damn Dragunov Tigrs too
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ZEROTHOMAS
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Posted: 8/10/2012 12:42:36 AM
I can bet my drunken ass says, not within the next 5 years (atleast) will you see a civi AK-12 being imported. Considering most of the AK's nowadays are surplus i bet it will take some time.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 1:00:00 AM
Considering their current imports are based off early 90's design, you do the math. Though if Izhmash could pull off adding a sporter semi-auto version of the AK-12 to their U.S. sales they'd do it in a heartbeat.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 1:42:56 AM
Originally Posted By HarryWild:
When is it expect to be shipped to the U.S.? Probably right after some sort of ban. Sorry, but I'm a pessimist and a realist.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 2:10:07 AM
It's not even in production yet, so many many years, if ever.
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Mauritius
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Posted: 8/10/2012 2:14:40 AM
Yay a 2000 dollar AK, can't wait.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 11:40:12 AM
The AK-12 is suppose to be finished by the end of this and year, and then will undergo testing with the Russian army in 2013. Assuming gun laws don't get more restrictive, I would say we might see them in 2013 or 2014.
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haydendavid380
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Posted: 8/10/2012 11:46:20 AM
Originally Posted By ZEROTHOMAS:
I can bet my drunken ass says, not within the next 5 years (atleast) will you see a civi AK-12 being imported. Considering most of the AK's nowadays are surplus i bet it will take some time. Anything coming out of Russia isn't surplus. Ishveske would have to make a sporting version. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 11:50:28 AM
I will be very shocked to see a sporting version of the AK-12.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 12:07:49 PM
Originally Posted By poorman:
I will be very shocked to see a sporting version of the AK-12. They announced that they plan on making one. If we'll see it, I don't know. |
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dskeet
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Posted: 8/10/2012 12:49:12 PM
Originally Posted By ZEROTHOMAS:
I can bet my drunken ass says, not within the next 5 years (atleast) will you see a civi AK-12 being imported. Considering most of the AK's nowadays are surplus i bet it will take some time. Surplus has nothing to do with it. They just have to make a Saiga sporter version of it and they can send as many to the US as they want. There is talk that they are working on a sporter version, but who knows for sure. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 12:58:23 PM
[Last Edit: 8/10/2012 12:59:43 PM by Ermac]
If they are smarter this time, hopefully they won't have the stupid trigger the Saiga has, and instead have the trigger in the regular position. Look at the translated news articles on Izmash and you'll find where they mention they are planning on a civilian model.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 1:01:30 PM
What does the AK12 have that I can not already build here?
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Posted: 8/10/2012 1:14:53 PM
Originally Posted By fatcat4620:
What does the AK12 have that I can not already build here? Depends. If I say a thumb safety and you just say you can use a krebs safety. Then it offers nothing. But basically it has lots of rails, a thumb safety, longer sight radius, peep sight, bolt hold open, and some other stuff. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 1:18:16 PM
[Last Edit: 8/10/2012 1:25:31 PM by Ermac]
Originally Posted By fatcat4620:
What does the AK12 have that I can not already build here? Tacked on modifications on an existing design will never be as good as something that's been totally redesigned to accomdate the new modifications. The AK-12 has a redesigned receiver and dust cover to ensure optics are stable on the dust cover. The barrel has new rifling for increased accuracy. The bolt carrier and bolt were redesigned to be lighter and have a less violent action to improve accuracy, particurly on fully automatic. The charging handle can be switched to left or right side. The mechanics they used in the AK-12 were similar to that AK-107, but not identical according to an interview. It's unlikely many of the main parts such as the bolt and bolt carrier will even interchange with existing AK's. The magazine are the only reported part that's the same. Originally Posted By dskeet:
Originally Posted By fatcat4620:
What does the AK12 have that I can not already build here? Depends. If I say a thumb safety and you just say you can use a krebs safety. Then it offers nothing. But basically it has lots of rails, a thumb safety, longer sight radius, peep sight, bolt hold open, and some other stuff. That isn't true. Look into it more. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 4:32:06 PM
Originally Posted By Ermac:
The AK-12 is suppose to be finished by the end of this and year, and then will undergo testing with the Russian army in 2013. Assuming gun laws don't get more restrictive, I would say we might see them in 2013 or 2014. Very unlikely. Russian Army directly expressed that with millions AK, AKM and AK074 in storage they do not look to buy more rifles. Izmash tries to find foreign cutomers for AK-12, but so far small interest. And Ismash if formally declared bankrupt by court with some $180-200M unpaid debts. Selling below cost (why Saigas are so cheap?) for several years is not good long term business strategy. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 6:06:01 PM
Originally Posted By fatcat4620:
What does the AK12 have that I can not already build here? You'd need a lot of machining equipment and expertise, they have a different receiver, dust cover, barrel, FSB, bolt, bolt carrier, etc. Multiple features that you couldn't just tack onto an existing AKM/Saiga/AK-74. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 6:59:57 PM
Originally Posted By Montrala:
Originally Posted By Ermac:
The AK-12 is suppose to be finished by the end of this and year, and then will undergo testing with the Russian army in 2013. Assuming gun laws don't get more restrictive, I would say we might see them in 2013 or 2014. Very unlikely. Russian Army directly expressed that with millions AK, AKM and AK074 in storage they do not look to buy more rifles. Izmash tries to find foreign cutomers for AK-12, but so far small interest. And Ismash if formally declared bankrupt by court with some $180-200M unpaid debts. Selling below cost (why Saigas are so cheap?) for several years is not good long term business strategy. They are going to test it, but they may or may not adopt it. The AK-12 seems like it would have more success with Russian SF and police units. From what I've read, Izmash reformed under a new parent company and is passed bankruptcy stages now. |
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Mauritius
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Posted: 8/10/2012 11:29:10 PM
I wouldn't expect much, just look at the Archer
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Posted: 8/11/2012 4:27:32 PM
Thanks guys, I did not realize how many updates they made.
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