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saigamanTX Member Joined: Aug 2009  TX, USA Posts: 11305 Feedback: 100% (3)	Posted: 7/31/2012 4:35:48 AM [Last Edit: 8/2/2012 1:22:50 AM by saigamanTX] THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=298733682
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Exile Member Joined: Mar 2005  MO, USA Posts: 1361 Feedback: 100% (22) Link To This Post

Posted: 7/31/2012 5:12:46 AM I think you spent too much. I'm no expert on Yugo kits though. I've bought them, built them, shot them, and found I don't care for them. They are the Cadillac of the stamped AKs and built like a tank but the stock position makes it feel like I'm getting punched in the right cheek bone every time I shoot it. I sold mine. I haven’t ever shot a Yugo underfolder so I’m still holding out that I might like those.

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dskeet Member Team Member Joined: Sep 2002  VA, USA Posts: 7734 Feedback: 100% (27) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/31/2012 6:48:16 AM $750 for that is... too much
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AEnemaBay 2111 - USMC Team Member Joined: Jan 2007  MO, USA Posts: 2935 Feedback: 100% (39) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/31/2012 9:44:59 AM Yeah dude, WAYYY too much.
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dalesimpson I come with the truth. Moderator Joined: Aug 2004  FL, USA Posts: 9094 Feedback: 100% (58) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/31/2012 9:51:08 AM Ouch... This makes me want to turn some of my builds into kits and sell them.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 10:26:06 AM Originally Posted By saigamanTX: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=298733682 http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/298733000/298733682/pix929326435.jpg http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/298733000/298733682/pix865123091.jpg http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/298733000/298733682/pix115567131.jpg Way too much, the bore is almost worn out on that one judging from the bullet test.

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rcbif Member Joined: May 2010  OH, USA Posts: 443 Feedback: 100% (10) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/31/2012 10:31:08 AM Ouch! Why would you ask if you got a deal after you spent all your money? Research man! Research!
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haydendavid380 Rock's out with his Glock out Team Member Joined: Jan 2010  IN, USA Posts: 6334 Feedback: 100% (27) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/31/2012 10:37:55 AM Should have checked Apex $289 You could have had that built cheaper than what you paid for your kit...
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rcbif Member Joined: May 2010  OH, USA Posts: 444 Feedback: 100% (10) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/31/2012 10:39:22 AM Originally Posted By haydendavid380: Should have checked Apex $289 You could have had that built cheaper than what you paid for your kit... unless the receiver is worth $450
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dskeet Member Team Member Joined: Sep 2002  VA, USA Posts: 7741 Feedback: 100% (27) Link To This Post	Posted: 7/31/2012 10:45:39 AM Originally Posted By rcbif: Ouch! Why would you ask if you got a deal after you spent all your money? Research man! Research! Yeah, this is one of those questions you ask before you commit to buying something.
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thasiccness Member Joined: Jul 2009  KOR Posts: 87 Feedback: 100% (14) Link To This Post

Posted: 7/31/2012 10:49:53 AM That Apex Kit is milled so its not the same. The Kit the Op bought is pretty nice, the bullet test looks good. All he has to do is get the barrel pressed in so lets see, If we bought piece by piece instead: Receiver 100.00 plus transfer fee To get built 250-400 Nice Kit: 300-400 So on the low end of a build 650ish...High End 900. Unless he has his own tools of course Anyways, Sure we think that's high because we remember 99.00 kits but in today's market I think thats almost reasonable. Its better than a century build.

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Posted: 7/31/2012 10:55:50 AM Originally Posted By thasiccness: That Apex Kit is milled so its not the same. The Kit the Op bought is pretty nice, the bullet test looks good. All he has to do is get the barrel pressed in so lets see, If we bought piece by piece instead: Receiver 100.00 plus transfer fee To get built 250-400 Nice Kit: 300-400 So on the low end of a build 650ish...High End 900. Unless he has his own tools of course Anyways, Sure we think that's high because we remember 99.00 kits but in today's market I think thats almost reasonable. Its better than a century build. Even then I think $750 is steep. Kit is worth about $450ish. Receiver.. $100 or so. The rivet work being done isn't worth much of anything. IMHO he over paid buy $150 or so.. possibly more. With the Apex kit he could have the $290 kit, have it rewelded for $350, then cold blue the receiver. Probably end up with a rifle that is worth more than he paid for, and it would cost less than he paid for just this kit.

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Posted: 7/31/2012 10:59:49 AM [Last Edit: 7/31/2012 11:05:18 AM by AEnemaBay] Originally Posted By thasiccness: That Apex Kit is milled so its not the same. The Kit the Op bought is pretty nice, the bullet test looks good. All he has to do is get the barrel pressed in so lets see, If we bought piece by piece instead: Receiver 100.00 plus transfer fee To get built 250-400 Nice Kit: 300-400 So on the low end of a build 650ish...High End 900. Unless he has his own tools of course Anyways, Sure we think that's high because we remember 99.00 kits but in today's market I think thats almost reasonable. Its better than a century build. The subtle differences between a Yugo milled (even an M64) and a Yugo stamped are not something that anyone would notice except the most informed end users. The bullet test on that barrel shows it's nearing the end of its life when compared to a new Yugo barrel. Also, when you pay for a build it usually comes with some sort of refinish, which this kit is doesn't have. In all, I still think that he overpaid even in today's market. ETA: Heck, now that I'm looking at it he could have picked up the Apex M64 kit (or found an Apex M70 kit that people are still selling) for $290 on the high side, a new Yugo M70 barrel (they're still out there) for $150, and the receiver for little over $100 and he'd have a complete kit for about $540. He could find someone on the HTF that would help him rivet it together in exchange for some beer and possibly even refinish it.

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saigamanTX Member Joined: Aug 2009  TX, USA Posts: 11306 Feedback: 100% (3) Link To This Post

Posted: 7/31/2012 7:37:21 PM Ok guys I wanted to say that first off it wasn't a blind buy. I've owned 4 different Yugo AK's so I am familiar about what to expect with these. As far as the APEX kits go it's a toss up. You could get a good one or a sewer pipe and those kits are mismatched. You then have to pay to have it rewelded. This kit is 99% matching. The barrel is a solid shooter barrel from what I can tell. You also have to remember what kit and build prices are going for. The kit and receiver are pretty close price wise as to what to expect from this kind of market. Say for instance you wanted to build a Romy G Kit - 400.00 Receiver - 60 to 100.00 Compliance parts - 100.00 Builder - 200.00 to 400.00 The price adds up quick. At least with this one I can avoid the building fees.

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Posted: 7/31/2012 7:56:10 PM Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Ok guys I wanted to say that first off it wasn't a blind buy. I've owned 4 different Yugo AK's so I am familiar about what to expect with these. As far as the APEX kits go it's a toss up. You could get a good one or a sewer pipe and those kits are mismatched. You then have to pay to have it rewelded. This kit is 99% matching. The barrel is a solid shooter barrel from what I can tell. You also have to remember what kit and build prices are going for. The kit and receiver are pretty close price wise as to what to expect from this kind of market. Say for instance you wanted to build a Romy G Kit - 400.00 Receiver - 60 to 100.00 Compliance parts - 100.00 Builder - 200.00 to 400.00 The price adds up quick. At least with this one I can avoid the building fees. http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix345622973.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix192965944.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/IMG_0196.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/IMG_0195.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix978702461.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix399344319.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix974245247.jpg Then why'd you ask our opinion

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Posted: 7/31/2012 8:33:07 PM Originally Posted By haydendavid380: Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Ok guys I wanted to say that first off it wasn't a blind buy. I've owned 4 different Yugo AK's so I am familiar about what to expect with these. As far as the APEX kits go it's a toss up. You could get a good one or a sewer pipe and those kits are mismatched. You then have to pay to have it rewelded. This kit is 99% matching. The barrel is a solid shooter barrel from what I can tell. You also have to remember what kit and build prices are going for. The kit and receiver are pretty close price wise as to what to expect from this kind of market. Say for instance you wanted to build a Romy G Kit - 400.00 Receiver - 60 to 100.00 Compliance parts - 100.00 Builder - 200.00 to 400.00 The price adds up quick. At least with this one I can avoid the building fees. http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix345622973.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix192965944.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/IMG_0196.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/IMG_0195.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix978702461.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix399344319.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix974245247.jpg Then why'd you ask our opinion that was my question as well if you are happy I guess it works

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Posted: 7/31/2012 9:06:03 PM Originally Posted By haydendavid380: Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Ok guys I wanted to say that first off it wasn't a blind buy. I've owned 4 different Yugo AK's so I am familiar about what to expect with these. As far as the APEX kits go it's a toss up. You could get a good one or a sewer pipe and those kits are mismatched. You then have to pay to have it rewelded. This kit is 99% matching. The barrel is a solid shooter barrel from what I can tell. You also have to remember what kit and build prices are going for. The kit and receiver are pretty close price wise as to what to expect from this kind of market. Say for instance you wanted to build a Romy G Kit - 400.00 Receiver - 60 to 100.00 Compliance parts - 100.00 Builder - 200.00 to 400.00 The price adds up quick. At least with this one I can avoid the building fees. http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix345622973.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix192965944.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/IMG_0196.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/IMG_0195.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix978702461.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix399344319.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix974245247.jpg Then why'd you ask our opinion So he can prove everyone wrong lol

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Posted: 7/31/2012 9:20:50 PM Originally Posted By ZEROTHOMAS: Originally Posted By haydendavid380: Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Ok guys I wanted to say that first off it wasn't a blind buy. I've owned 4 different Yugo AK's so I am familiar about what to expect with these. As far as the APEX kits go it's a toss up. You could get a good one or a sewer pipe and those kits are mismatched. You then have to pay to have it rewelded. This kit is 99% matching. The barrel is a solid shooter barrel from what I can tell. You also have to remember what kit and build prices are going for. The kit and receiver are pretty close price wise as to what to expect from this kind of market. Say for instance you wanted to build a Romy G Kit - 400.00 Receiver - 60 to 100.00 Compliance parts - 100.00 Builder - 200.00 to 400.00 The price adds up quick. At least with this one I can avoid the building fees. http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix345622973.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix192965944.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/IMG_0196.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/IMG_0195.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix978702461.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix399344319.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix974245247.jpg Then why'd you ask our opinion So he can prove everyone wrong lol I'm thinking this, as well. There was a reason it sat on that auction for almost three days without a bid. It was priced too high. As mentioned, research and look around to avoid getting taken. I'm sure it was a great deal for the seller.

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Posted: 7/31/2012 9:24:41 PM Originally Posted By Rayman1: Originally Posted By ZEROTHOMAS: Originally Posted By haydendavid380: Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Ok guys I wanted to say that first off it wasn't a blind buy. I've owned 4 different Yugo AK's so I am familiar about what to expect with these. As far as the APEX kits go it's a toss up. You could get a good one or a sewer pipe and those kits are mismatched. You then have to pay to have it rewelded. This kit is 99% matching. The barrel is a solid shooter barrel from what I can tell. You also have to remember what kit and build prices are going for. The kit and receiver are pretty close price wise as to what to expect from this kind of market. Say for instance you wanted to build a Romy G Kit - 400.00 Receiver - 60 to 100.00 Compliance parts - 100.00 Builder - 200.00 to 400.00 The price adds up quick. At least with this one I can avoid the building fees. http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix345622973.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix192965944.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/IMG_0196.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/IMG_0195.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix978702461.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix399344319.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/SAIGAMANTX/pix974245247.jpg Then why'd you ask our opinion So he can prove everyone wrong lol I'm thinking this, as well. There was a reason it sat on that auction for almost three days without a bid. It was priced too high. As mentioned, research and look around to avoid getting taken. I'm sure it was a great deal for the seller. Yep. Buy it now prices generally aren't good deals. Whenever I sell at auction I put my buy it now price high with the hope that someone who just has to have it comes along and pays too much for it. When a buy it now price is a good, or even fair price, they sell quickly. They don't sit for a few days with no action. $750 for this was too much money, no matter how its broken down.

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saigamanTX Member Joined: Aug 2009  TX, USA Posts: 11308 Feedback: 100% (3) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/1/2012 6:32:33 AM Honestly I asked because I wanted to see what you guys thought of the kit........Not the price.
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dalesimpson I come with the truth. Moderator Joined: Aug 2004  FL, USA Posts: 9096 Feedback: 100% (58) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/1/2012 9:20:34 AM Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Honestly I asked because I wanted to see what you guys thought of the kit........Not the price. To be fair your original post showed us some pictures, had a link to an auction and asked us to tell you how you did. I think you got a decent kit of the exact type I was buying a few years ago WAY, WAY less than you paid.
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hellmann9655 Member Team Member Joined: Dec 2007  USA Posts: 107 Feedback: 100% (23) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/1/2012 12:35:03 PM Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Honestly I asked because I wanted to see what you guys thought of the kit........Not the price. For a bit more you could have got a complete rifle. How many AK's have you built? If this is your first one (which is really not a full build ) I think it was a bad idea and you did really bad. Whats your experience level building AKs?
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Posted: 8/1/2012 2:20:48 PM Originally Posted By Exile: I think you spent too much. I'm no expert on Yugo kits though. I've bought them, built them, shot them, and found I don't care for them. They are the Cadillac of the stamped AKs and built like a tank but the stock position makes it feel like I'm getting punched in the right cheek bone every time I shoot it. I sold mine. I haven’t ever shot a Yugo underfolder so I’m still holding out that I might like those. I have both. I have the same issue with the fixed stock but I love the underfolder.

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Posted: 8/1/2012 6:17:26 PM Originally Posted By hellmann9655: Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Honestly I asked because I wanted to see what you guys thought of the kit........Not the price. For a bit more you could have got a complete rifle. How many AK's have you built? If this is your first one (which is really not a full build ) I think it was a bad idea and you did really bad. Whats your experience level building AKs? Built enough of them. And I do not think I did bad at all. Apex had barrel less M7O Stamped mixmaster kits for 500.00 a month or so back and they sold out. Did I spend a bit more then I would have normally yeah but I don't have to pay for a builder. So it's a little less of a kick to the nuts.

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Posted: 8/1/2012 7:43:57 PM Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Originally Posted By hellmann9655: Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Honestly I asked because I wanted to see what you guys thought of the kit........Not the price. For a bit more you could have got a complete rifle. How many AK's have you built? If this is your first one (which is really not a full build ) I think it was a bad idea and you did really bad. Whats your experience level building AKs? Built enough of them. And I do not think I did bad at all. Apex had barrel less M7O Stamped mixmaster kits for 500.00 a month or so back and they sold out. Did I spend a bit more then I would have normally yeah but I don't have to pay for a builder. So it's a little less of a kick to the nuts. Why would you have to pay a builder if you've "built enough of them"?

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Posted: 8/1/2012 10:06:08 PM Originally Posted By AEnemaBay: Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Originally Posted By hellmann9655: Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Honestly I asked because I wanted to see what you guys thought of the kit........Not the price. For a bit more you could have got a complete rifle. How many AK's have you built? If this is your first one (which is really not a full build ) I think it was a bad idea and you did really bad. Whats your experience level building AKs? Built enough of them. And I do not think I did bad at all. Apex had barrel less M7O Stamped mixmaster kits for 500.00 a month or so back and they sold out. Did I spend a bit more then I would have normally yeah but I don't have to pay for a builder. So it's a little less of a kick to the nuts. Why would you have to pay a builder if you've "built enough of them"? Because if say it's a rarer kit that would cost mucho dinero to replace..........Yeah it goes to a pro builder.

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