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Darkhawk
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Posted: 3/9/2012 10:42:33 PM
Help...first AK.


I was getting ready to pull the trigger on a M70ab2...then saw this...



From Century's Page.

Made in the same factory that produced top quality rifles for former Yugoslavia like the M70B1 and M70AB2, our newly manufactured PAP rifles are the civilian version of the M70 series. These Belgrade beauties are the latest imports from the world famous Zastava factory. Century is proud to offer 4 styles of the PAP rifles. This one is the HI-CAP classic full wood stock with a pistol grip. Features a Picatinny rail built into the receiver cover for easy mounting of your favorite accessories. Comes with two 30 rd. mags. Barrel: 16.25" with a 1:10 twist, Overall: 36.25", Weight: 7.7 lbs. Condition: New.


Help...first AK. I like the Yugo, but this PAP is growing on me. I am not big on the rail however.

Is this PAP rifle a smear or good to go? Thanks in advance.
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Posted: 3/9/2012 11:17:00 PM
Anything made by Zastava is high quality. Zastava guns remind me of FEG and CZ. This particular item is obviously not mil spec in every detail, but most likely is a well-built AK that will work and shoot straight. A standard action cover is cheap, but depending on how stable that rail is, it may be something you'll eventually want anyway. That and the buttstock are the only non-mil things I see. I wonder if the hand guards are Bakelite? :) How much is that PAP Hi-Cap? That's sort of relevant to the question. If I didn't already have a factory-built FEG I would be very interested in that.
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Posted: 3/9/2012 11:47:21 PM
J&G


I wonder if the buttstock can be changed out? I think PAPs usually have slanted receivers.
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Posted: 3/9/2012 11:59:17 PM
Never seen that before, looks pretty nice. Anyone have one?
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Posted: 3/10/2012 1:59:19 AM
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These have the straight cut receivers! And they're genuine Serbian. AWESOME! Would be an awesome project. Keep these imports coming!
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Posted: 3/10/2012 2:57:30 AM
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The wood on that beauty is gorgeous
The price doesn't seem too bad either.
I'm sorry, though.. I'd ditch the picatinny rail cover!

EDIT: I've seen Zastava's at the gun shows in my city before, albeit the single stack, sporter stock configurations. The finish on those rifles were top notch! I didn't get much of a chance to play with it, but it looked exceptionally built.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 11:00:31 AM
So...Yugo or PAP is the question...

The Yugo is a 1mm receiver which doesn't bother me and it also has the Green Mountain barrel.

Thoughts?
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Posted: 3/10/2012 11:46:14 AM
Depending on price, or let's say with price not a factor, I'd have to go with the Zastava. 'Total factory built' in an AK47 factory means a lot and every AK owner should experience that difference at some point. This is why I tend to be a curmudgeon about the USA builds - they're just not in the same league with a real Eastern European factory AK. They have been making AKs from scratch for over 50 years - they know what they're doing. There is no comparison to a used military kit without receiver or barrel, cobbled together with a USA receiver and barrel with barrel crooked in receiver and twisted gas block and hastily painted. This is what we have been paying through the nose for. I paid good money for an 'AMD65' that I had to work on quite a bit, and it'll never be a straight gun - I had to force the rear sight over to the left because I ran out of adjustment with the front sight, replace the crummy two-piece extension brake with the Tapco unit and have it welded, install my own sling swivel, work on the magazine guide rails to stop it from gouging mags, etc. Get this AK now if you can. If you must have a kit build, make that your next one.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 12:45:45 PM
These are brand new to the market. I have yet to see a single review anywhere. Should have one shortly though: Link (he has the same rifle coming from Centerfire)


A 9mm might expand to .45, but a .45 will never shrink to 9mm.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 12:49:10 PM
Does this come with a Chrome lined Barrel?
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Posted: 3/10/2012 12:53:42 PM

Originally Posted By purevl2:
Does this come with a Chrome lined Barrel?

If they follow the previous PAPs already here, no chrome.
A 9mm might expand to .45, but a .45 will never shrink to 9mm.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 12:54:26 PM
I think the jury is still out on PAP conversions. The sporter uses a single feed bolt. Not sure if it's changed out and headspaced during conversions.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 12:59:55 PM
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Originally Posted By 35mm_Shooter:
I think the jury is still out on PAP conversions. The sporter uses a single feed bolt. Not sure if it's changed out and headspaced during conversions.

It all depends on how Century is importing these. Can't assume they are importing them in the same configuration as EAA. That's why we need a user review to confirm some things.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 2:18:46 PM
Thanks for the links fellas.

I might have to take the plunge. I really like the Yugo M70AB2T though. Maybe I should pull an Arfcom and get both.

I am going to make some calls on Monday and maybe get some more info f I can.

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Posted: 3/10/2012 2:45:12 PM
Did anybody get a price yet? I'm not registered with Century. As for the barrels, I was expecting chrome-lined, but then the Yugo military rifles don't have it, so since they're still made by Zastava, maybe they are not. Also, I was under the impression that they were imported finished. If the mag wells have to be opened up here and possibly other converting done, it would alter my high opinion to some extent. I guess I am premature with my praise, but I still would expect a very high-quality rifle.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 3:46:23 PM
Originally Posted By 1saxman:
Did anybody get a price yet? I'm not registered with Century. As for the barrels, I was expecting chrome-lined, but then the Yugo military rifles don't have it, so since they're still made by Zastava, maybe they are not. Also, I was under the impression that they were imported finished. If the mag wells have to be opened up here and possibly other converting done, it would alter my high opinion to some extent. I guess I am premature with my praise, but I still would expect a very high-quality rifle.


I'm fairly certain that all AKs enter the country with a reduced magwell or none at all (just a pilot hole).

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Posted: 3/10/2012 3:51:40 PM
My hopes are really high with this rifle. This will be an absolute must buy for me if the price is indeed $650 like the J&G link shows.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 3:53:58 PM
Originally Posted By fike:
Originally Posted By 1saxman:
Did anybody get a price yet? I'm not registered with Century. As for the barrels, I was expecting chrome-lined, but then the Yugo military rifles don't have it, so since they're still made by Zastava, maybe they are not. Also, I was under the impression that they were imported finished. If the mag wells have to be opened up here and possibly other converting done, it would alter my high opinion to some extent. I guess I am premature with my praise, but I still would expect a very high-quality rifle.


I'm fairly certain that all AKs enter the country with a reduced magwell or none at all (just a pilot hole).



IIRC the rifles that are imported with a factory barrel must come in as sporter versions. I don't think being able to accept a

standard cap mag is considered sporter, so they are probably imported with a single stack mag well, but what do I know.

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Posted: 3/10/2012 3:56:10 PM
Originally Posted By BigAKFan:
My hopes are really high with this rifle. This will be an absolute must buy for me if the price is indeed $650 like the J&G link shows.


Meh, no chrome lining, no bayo lug, converted by CAI, etc...

It's about $150 overpriced IMO
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Posted: 3/10/2012 3:56:25 PM
Somebody over on the Gunboards forum has one: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?258796-Zastava-hi-cap-AK

Pics from the link:








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Posted: 3/10/2012 4:11:12 PM
Looks like a winner to me. $650 isn't a bad price point.
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Originally Posted By 35mm_Shooter:
Originally Posted By BigAKFan:
My hopes are really high with this rifle. This will be an absolute must buy for me if the price is indeed $650 like the J&G link shows.


Meh, no chrome lining, no bayo lug, converted by CAI, etc...

It's about $150 overpriced IMO


I missed the no bayo lug. I'm seeing wasrs go for close to $500 everywhere I see.

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Posted: 3/10/2012 5:13:37 PM
The reference to a rumored .308 version in the Gunboards thread was enough for me to fire off an e-mail to Century to confirm or deny said rifle. If it's anything like a Zastava M77, I'll be all over it like stink on sh*t. I'm all about the DMR-type rifles these days and a .308 version would be a good start for another rifle project.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 6:56:50 PM
There's already a VEPR .308 in nice wood, in two versions.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 7:00:48 PM

Originally Posted By 1saxman:
There's already a VEPR .308 in nice wood, in two versions.

Been there, done that. I already own two .308 Veprs. Time for something different.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 7:58:33 PM
Originally Posted By BigAKFan:
Originally Posted By 35mm_Shooter:
Originally Posted By BigAKFan:
My hopes are really high with this rifle. This will be an absolute must buy for me if the price is indeed $650 like the J&G link shows.


Meh, no chrome lining, no bayo lug, converted by CAI, etc...

It's about $150 overpriced IMO


I missed the no bayo lug. I'm seeing wasrs go for close to $500 everywhere I see.



What is that protuberance under the gas block that looks like a bayonet lug? Am I seeing things?
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