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Anything made by Zastava is high quality. Zastava guns remind me of FEG and CZ. This particular item is obviously not mil spec in every detail, but most likely is a well-built AK that will work and shoot straight. A standard action cover is cheap, but depending on how stable that rail is, it may be something you'll eventually want anyway. That and the buttstock are the only non-mil things I see. I wonder if the hand guards are Bakelite? :) How much is that PAP Hi-Cap? That's sort of relevant to the question. If I didn't already have a factory-built FEG I would be very interested in that.
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These have the straight cut receivers! And they're genuine Serbian. AWESOME! Would be an awesome project. Keep these imports coming!
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The wood on that beauty is gorgeous
The price doesn't seem too bad either. I'm sorry, though.. I'd ditch the picatinny rail cover! EDIT: I've seen Zastava's at the gun shows in my city before, albeit the single stack, sporter stock configurations. The finish on those rifles were top notch! I didn't get much of a chance to play with it, but it looked exceptionally built. |
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So...Yugo or PAP is the question...
The Yugo is a 1mm receiver which doesn't bother me and it also has the Green Mountain barrel. Thoughts? |
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Depending on price, or let's say with price not a factor, I'd have to go with the Zastava. 'Total factory built' in an AK47 factory means a lot and every AK owner should experience that difference at some point. This is why I tend to be a curmudgeon about the USA builds - they're just not in the same league with a real Eastern European factory AK. They have been making AKs from scratch for over 50 years - they know what they're doing. There is no comparison to a used military kit without receiver or barrel, cobbled together with a USA receiver and barrel with barrel crooked in receiver and twisted gas block and hastily painted. This is what we have been paying through the nose for. I paid good money for an 'AMD65' that I had to work on quite a bit, and it'll never be a straight gun - I had to force the rear sight over to the left because I ran out of adjustment with the front sight, replace the crummy two-piece extension brake with the Tapco unit and have it welded, install my own sling swivel, work on the magazine guide rails to stop it from gouging mags, etc. Get this AK now if you can. If you must have a kit build, make that your next one.
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These are brand new to the market. I have yet to see a single review anywhere. Should have one shortly though: Link (he has the same rifle coming from Centerfire)
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Quoted: Does this come with a Chrome lined Barrel? If they follow the previous PAPs already here, no chrome. |
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I think the jury is still out on PAP conversions. The sporter uses a single feed bolt. Not sure if it's changed out and headspaced during conversions.
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Quoted: I think the jury is still out on PAP conversions. The sporter uses a single feed bolt. Not sure if it's changed out and headspaced during conversions. It all depends on how Century is importing these. Can't assume they are importing them in the same configuration as EAA. That's why we need a user review to confirm some things. |
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Thanks for the links fellas.
I might have to take the plunge. I really like the Yugo M70AB2T though. Maybe I should pull an Arfcom and get both. I am going to make some calls on Monday and maybe get some more info f I can. |
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Did anybody get a price yet? I'm not registered with Century. As for the barrels, I was expecting chrome-lined, but then the Yugo military rifles don't have it, so since they're still made by Zastava, maybe they are not. Also, I was under the impression that they were imported finished. If the mag wells have to be opened up here and possibly other converting done, it would alter my high opinion to some extent. I guess I am premature with my praise, but I still would expect a very high-quality rifle.
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Did anybody get a price yet? I'm not registered with Century. As for the barrels, I was expecting chrome-lined, but then the Yugo military rifles don't have it, so since they're still made by Zastava, maybe they are not. Also, I was under the impression that they were imported finished. If the mag wells have to be opened up here and possibly other converting done, it would alter my high opinion to some extent. I guess I am premature with my praise, but I still would expect a very high-quality rifle. I'm fairly certain that all AKs enter the country with a reduced magwell or none at all (just a pilot hole). |
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My hopes are really high with this rifle. This will be an absolute must buy for me if the price is indeed $650 like the J&G link shows.
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Did anybody get a price yet? I'm not registered with Century. As for the barrels, I was expecting chrome-lined, but then the Yugo military rifles don't have it, so since they're still made by Zastava, maybe they are not. Also, I was under the impression that they were imported finished. If the mag wells have to be opened up here and possibly other converting done, it would alter my high opinion to some extent. I guess I am premature with my praise, but I still would expect a very high-quality rifle. I'm fairly certain that all AKs enter the country with a reduced magwell or none at all (just a pilot hole). IIRC the rifles that are imported with a factory barrel must come in as sporter versions. I don't think being able to accept a standard cap mag is considered sporter, so they are probably imported with a single stack mag well, but what do I know. |
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My hopes are really high with this rifle. This will be an absolute must buy for me if the price is indeed $650 like the J&G link shows. Meh, no chrome lining, no bayo lug, converted by CAI, etc... It's about $150 overpriced IMO |
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Somebody over on the Gunboards forum has one: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?258796-Zastava-hi-cap-AK
Pics from the link: |
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My hopes are really high with this rifle. This will be an absolute must buy for me if the price is indeed $650 like the J&G link shows. Meh, no chrome lining, no bayo lug, converted by CAI, etc... It's about $150 overpriced IMO I missed the no bayo lug. I'm seeing wasrs go for close to $500 everywhere I see. |
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The reference to a rumored .308 version in the Gunboards thread was enough for me to fire off an e-mail to Century to confirm or deny said rifle. If it's anything like a Zastava M77, I'll be all over it like stink on sh*t. I'm all about the DMR-type rifles these days and a .308 version would be a good start for another rifle project.
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Quoted: There's already a VEPR .308 in nice wood, in two versions. Been there, done that. I already own two .308 Veprs. Time for something different. |
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My hopes are really high with this rifle. This will be an absolute must buy for me if the price is indeed $650 like the J&G link shows. Meh, no chrome lining, no bayo lug, converted by CAI, etc... It's about $150 overpriced IMO I missed the no bayo lug. I'm seeing wasrs go for close to $500 everywhere I see. What is that protuberance under the gas block that looks like a bayonet lug? Am I seeing things? |
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My hopes are really high with this rifle. This will be an absolute must buy for me if the price is indeed $650 like the J&G link shows. Meh, no chrome lining, no bayo lug, converted by CAI, etc... It's about $150 overpriced IMO Like with most new arrivals, prices are usually high and then fall in about a year. |
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If this was imported in the sporter configuration like the EAA PAP's then there is far too much important work to do to that rifle to produce the final product to trust the drunk monkey's at Century. Hopefully they had a closer to final product configuration on import than the EAA guns.
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If this was imported in the sporter configuration like the EAA PAP's then there is far too much important work to do to that rifle to produce the final product to trust the drunk monkey's at Century. Hopefully they had a closer to final product configuration on import than the EAA guns. Yea hopefully they come into the country with the correct trunnion and bolt. The magwell isn't a big deal but I worry if they start "remanufacturing" other things. Otherwise, a factory AK with minimal stateside modifications would be a hit and could really compete with arsenal offering especially for the more traditional guys. |
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i don't know if they will get any cheaper, i bought my pap a month ago for 379 at a local shop, i bought the first one they got in and the next week they were already 425. i converted it to double stack though it doesn't just include opening the magwell and changing the bolt. you also need to grind or mill out the width of the trunnion where the front of the mag goes as well as raise the underside of the locking lugs a little bit. the bullet guide works well but there's a blocking bar as part of it to block a regular bolt that needs to be shaved off (a small ball stone on a dremel works well) i used a spare east german bolt i had laying around that checked out fine with hs gauges on my conversion. in fact i never even fired it as a single stack lol. on a positive note the front sight is already drilled for a detent plunger and the muzzle is at the right diameter for threading so i just hand threaded my muzzle and it worked well. converting these on your own is not for the faint of heart but once in double stack config they are awesome ak's also the only other ak's i have that are comparable with accuracy are my nhm-91 (norinco) ak 74 (build) and my m76 (build) actually comparing this to the old 76 isn't really fair for the pap.
hope that helps
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Thanks for the links fellas. I might have to take the plunge. I really like the Yugo M70AB2T though. Maybe I should pull an Arfcom and get both. I am going to make some calls on Monday and maybe get some more info f I can. I have a M70AB2 with the 1.6 mm receiver. Century/Zastava. Its heavier than the "T" model but I LOVE IT! |
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Anyone got one of these? I am hoping that century isn't doing to much work on these!
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My hopes are really high with this rifle. This will be an absolute must buy for me if the price is indeed $650 like the J&G link shows. Meh, no chrome lining, no bayo lug, converted by CAI, etc... It's about $150 overpriced IMO I missed the no bayo lug. I'm seeing wasrs go for close to $500 everywhere I see. What is that protuberance under the gas block that looks like a bayonet lug? Am I seeing things? I agree. Those sure look like bayo lugs. |
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My hopes are really high with this rifle. This will be an absolute must buy for me if the price is indeed $650 like the J&G link shows. Meh, no chrome lining, no bayo lug, converted by CAI, etc... It's about $150 overpriced IMO I missed the no bayo lug. I'm seeing wasrs go for close to $500 everywhere I see. What is that protuberance under the gas block that looks like a bayonet lug? Am I seeing things? I agree. Those sure look like bayo lugs. Not a bayo lug http://www.jgsales.com/images/6775-caiyugozastavaakm-47papm70rifle762x39caliberwithpistolgripandwoodstock-s2.JPG Bayo lug http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/media/sg010.jpg |
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This rifle in question is a doublestack correct? Yes, double stack standard military AK-47 7.62x39 magazine. |
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This looks promising. I would change out the gas block, top cover, pistol grip, and add the night sights, cleaning rod, and yugo side rail.
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Quoted: and yugo side rail. From a functional standpoint, I would skip the traditional Yugo rail and use a standard AKM side rail. Your options are so limited with the Yugo rail. At least with the early PAPs that had side rails, they used a more realistic side rail than what has been typically offered in the past. |
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and yugo side rail. From a functional standpoint, I would skip the Yugo rail and use a standard AKM side rail. Your options are so limited with the Yugo rail. Yea I know, but I have always wanted a Yugo with a Zrak M89 on it. |
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