Originally Posted By LungShot:
Originally Posted By HatriXx:
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
Originally Posted By sdrake100:
I've heard the "new" kit thing is a ruse. I've read some reviews where it looks like there was a lot of wear before they refinished everything.
I think it's a case of people not knowing what they're looking at.
Waffen Gun-Koted some of the internals of this gun, and there is some overspray on some of the internal parts. It can easily be confused for wear.
It scrapes right off (if one wants to scrape it off), and once it is scraped off, it's pretty obvious there's no wear on the part. At least, that was the case with my Waffen 74.
ETA: The TGI-marked receivers are not rejects. TGI ordered a bunch of receivers, and cancelled the order after the receivers were made. These receivers were sold at a discount to other builders (who should have removed the TGI name, but didn't.) Regardless, nothing is wrong with the receivers.
This is how internet myths are started. TGI was raided by the ATF. Their productin was haulted so their orders for thousands of NODAK receivers were not needed and they canceled...of course after NODAK had made a bunch. NODAK was trying to recover
some of their loss and sold the receivers at a discount. There is NOTHING at all "reject" about these. I fully support the desire for a Russian AK, but these things happen..... if the OP honestly believes that Arsenal doesn't have mistakes that ship out... well
It has nothing at all to do with whether the rifle was made in the US or Russia.
I was wondering why it had TGI on the receiver.
I'm sure Arsenal sends out some bad ones every now and then.
My concern with American vendors has to do with the temper of the rivets corresponding with the temper of the receiver. Will the ejector deflect a steel case smashing into it without deforming? Will hard rivets hog-out a soft receiver? Will a hard receiver shear soft rivets?
How can we be assured the American manufacturer is using quality parts?
The American barrels have a big question mark floating over them. Is the bore centered? Is the chrome lining thick or thin? What kind of steel is used? Is the steel stress relieved? Who makes these damn things? Proof load?? What the hell it that? This is America, we don't need no stinking proof loads..
My only issue with a Russian rifle will be whether or not the sights are canted. I've never seen a Russian ejector wear out after magazine.
I can live with used Bulgarian parts, as long as they aren't worn out before they get re-painted.
Having a soft ejector (if that's what it is) is making me wish I had a Commie made receiver.
Yeah, those are all valid concerns. One of the things that keeps the fears alive is that our hobby is zealous with the need for as "genuine" as possible. Let's be honest....we all want a real Izmash AK-74, but due to our stupid laws we are forced to settle for clones. I'm as guilty as anyone because
I tend to prefer SAR-1s, SA-85s, and MAADIs which I keep as close to their military cousins as possible. What makes me scratch my head is that nobody EVER questions the barrel quality on their Rem 700, or their 1911, or their Colt AR.....yet we question barrels made in the US for AKs. I'm not
positive why that is. I know there was that whole Century Arms Tantal debacle which caused a lot of this. If someone tried to sell you an AR-15 barrel made in Romania...I bet most people would shrivel their nose at it....because it's not "made in the US"....because we want our AR to be as close to the military
version as possible. I like the idea of supporting a small manufacturer like Waffen Werks. I remember back 25yrs ago when the Arsenal AKs were pretty crappy looking. I turned my nose at them and bought MAK-90s and MAADIs.
It sounds like you wanted a Russian AK...and I don't blame you. I have always wanted a Russian AKM. I've read a lot of good reviews on the Waffen rifles. I bet if you give them the chance to fix it they will make good on it. You can't go wrong with a Legion SAIGA converted rifle either. It's hard to tell if one is genuinely
"better" or not. I own an Interarms Tantal and the receiver/rails/rivets seem top notch. I hope you are taken care of with your rifle. Keep us posted I'm really curious about Waffen Werks rifles and I think I may buy one after I get my AR build done.