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Posted: 12/8/2010 3:07:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2010 7:28:21 PM EDT by Gunwritr]
Spent the last couple days on the range with a new rifle from Krebs Custom
actually a prototype chambered for 6.5mm Grendel.

It's basically an AK-74 pattern rifle but with his rail over the top cover.
Barrel weight is the same as factory.

Pretty cool rig. You can hammer stuff up close, like a standard AK. Recoil is
a bit milder than 7.62x39mm, but very close.

I ran it on steel out to 300 yards and then stepped out to 550 yards.
Impressed I shot groups at 550 yards. Thing is holding 2 MOA at 550 yards
with Wolf's 120 grain MPT load.

I had one box left so stepped it out to 800 yards. Target was an 11.5x20 inch
LaRue sniper target. I calculated the elevation and let fly. The wind was gusting
quite a bit but I flattened the LaRue on my 3rd shot. Then did it two more times in a
row before I missed a wind change. I scored 7 hits at 800 yards.....with an AK.

Pretty nice day today......



OK here's the pic people have asked for.
For the rest you will have to wait for the next Book of the AK47 coming out in a couple
months
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 3:39:18 PM EDT
I've always thought that an AK in that caliber would be the bee's knees. My main question is, what kind of mags did it use?
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 4:20:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
Spent the last couple days on the range with a new rifle from Krebs Custom
actually a prototype chambered for 6.5mm Grendel.

It's basically an AK-74 pattern rifle but with his rail over the top cover.
Barrel weight is the same as factory.

Pretty cool rig. You can hammer stuff up close, like a standard AK. Recoil is
a bit milder than 7.62x39mm, but very close.

I ran it on steel out to 300 yards and then stepped out to 550 yards.
Impressed I shot groups at 550 yards. Thing is holding 2 MOA at 550 yards
with Wolf's 120 grain MPT load.

I had one box left so stepped it out to 800 yards. Target was an 11.5x20 inch
LaRue sniper target. I calculated the elevation and let fly. The wind was gusting
quite a bit but I flattened the LaRue on my 3rd shot. Then did it two more times in a
row before I missed a wind change. I scored 7 hits at 800 yards.....with an AK.

Pretty nice day today......



What type of mag did the rifle use?
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 4:28:36 PM EDT
Article soon? I'll be waiting.

Link Posted: 12/8/2010 4:43:43 PM EDT
Very impressive, thanks for taking the time to share.



So...how do we get one?




Z
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 4:54:39 PM EDT
pictures?
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 6:04:31 PM EDT
what magazine is the article going to be in?

advntrjnky
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 4:35:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GRMGR1:
I've always thought that an AK in that caliber would be the bee's knees. My main question is, what kind of mags did it use?


An AR15 mag adapter with AR mags would work.
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 4:40:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SKS_Lover:
Originally Posted By GRMGR1:
I've always thought that an AK in that caliber would be the bee's knees. My main question is, what kind of mags did it use?


An AR15 mag adapter with AR mags would work.

If you can find them. I'm surprised there aren't more out there.

Link Posted: 12/9/2010 9:15:25 AM EDT
This rifle is set up to accept the 6.5mm Grendel AR mags,
Bolt locks back and everything.

article will appear in our next G&A Book of the AK47 annual

An AK is a logical choice for the 6.5mm Grendel. Pretty slick
combination.
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 9:55:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
This rifle is set up to accept the 6.5mm Grendel AR mags,
Bolt locks back and everything.

article will appear in our next G&A Book of the AK47 annual

An AK is a logical choice for the 6.5mm Grendel. Pretty slick
combination.


Is it an actual last shot BHO or does the bolt drop when the mag is removed?

Also, others have had problems with the trunnions cracking where they were relieved for the AR mags. Just something to watch for with the AR mag conversions.
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 12:18:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SpacemanSpiff:
Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
This rifle is set up to accept the 6.5mm Grendel AR mags,
Bolt locks back and everything.

article will appear in our next G&A Book of the AK47 annual

An AK is a logical choice for the 6.5mm Grendel. Pretty slick
combination.


Is it an actual last shot BHO or does the bolt drop when the mag is removed?

Also, others have had problems with the trunnions cracking where they were relieved for the AR mags. Just something to watch for with the AR mag conversions.


Yep, actual last shot BHO and will have a bolt release.
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 1:03:56 PM EDT
Can we get pictures of the rifle?
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 6:05:49 PM EDT
I love the 6.5 grendel, but lack of availibility and high prices kills it.
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 6:31:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ermac:
I love the 6.5 grendel, but lack of availibility and high prices kills it.


But if it was readily available and priced the same as steel case 7.62x39mm
on the low end you might feel different huh....
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 11:44:53 PM EDT
Whens the next book of the Ak out? I really wish it would become as a regular magazine.
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 5:52:22 AM EDT
Very cool!
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 7:30:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
Originally Posted By Ermac:
I love the 6.5 grendel, but lack of availibility and high prices kills it.


But if it was readily available and priced the same as steel case 7.62x39mm
on the low end you might feel different huh....


Yes, and Yes.
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 7:29:05 PM EDT
bump for pic
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 7:30:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Church:
Whens the next book of the Ak out? I really wish it would become as a regular magazine.


Very good chance it will be moving from an annual to twice a year or even a quarterly.......
readers just need to let the folks know that they want more.
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 7:57:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2010 7:59:05 PM EDT by jeepinnc]
Come on, an AK that is accurate. It is not April 1st. The AR community would be crapping bricks at such an animal. We would never hear the end of how bad the AK is, how bad pistons are, and how great .223 really is we just don't know it.

Really cool rifle, cant wait for the article.

By the way, the Book of the AR and AK should be bi annual. Quarterly would be nice but maybe pushing the writers too much. (be glad to send a query for article submissions!) However, the Book of the 1911 should be weekly.

Also, I like the lengthy articles in Shotgun News, but how about more articles per issue. There is a ton of ads in that publication.
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 8:15:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jeepinnc:
Come on, an AK that is accurate. It is not April 1st. The AR community would be crapping bricks at such an animal. We would never hear the end of how bad the AK is, how bad pistons are, and how great .223 really is we just don't know it.

Really cool rifle, cant wait for the article.

By the way, the Book of the AR and AK should be bi annual. Quarterly would be nice but maybe pushing the writers too much. (be glad to send a query for article submissions!) However, the Book of the 1911 should be weekly.

Also, I like the lengthy articles in Shotgun News, but how about more articles per issue. There is a ton of ads in that publication.


Book of the AR will be going bi annual as I believe the Book of the AK will.
I agree that quarterly may be pushing it....but we shall see.
Shotgun News, due to page size, has the longest articles in the industry, but will always remain a trade publication at heart.

thanks for the input!
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 8:18:12 PM EDT
Interesting looking magwell, looks like an AR magwell on an AK. I'm surprised nobody thought of this idea sooner now that I think about it. 6.5 and 7.62x39 share the same bolt head, so a conversion should be as simple as a magazine and barrel.
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 8:24:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2010 8:30:29 PM EDT by Gunwritr]
Originally Posted By slomofo:
Interesting looking magwell, looks like an AR magwell on an AK. I'm surprised nobody thought of this idea sooner now that I think about it. 6.5 and 7.62x39 share the same bolt head, so a conversion should be as simple as a magazine and barrel.


Marc is working on the design so that the mag release will be similar to an AR so you can kick the empty
mag out with your trigger finger. Plus it will have a bolt release. He is licensed by Alexander Arms to
build Grendels, sure there will be more to follow. Perhaps even traditional AK pattern mags.......

You have to crunch some numbers to see just how badly the 6.5mm Grendel with its super efficient
projectiles smokes the 5.45 and 7.62x39mm and of course the 5.56.
The Grendel has more energy at 500 yards than the 7.62x39mm has at 200 yards. Yet the cartridge is
no bigger or heavier than the 7.62x39mm. In this case there is a free lunch....
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 8:31:42 PM EDT
Good stuff, ship it to me and I will kill a dozen does with it for you.
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 8:48:24 PM EDT
Nice rig

so I take it the brass is too damaged to reload?
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 8:51:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By J-L:
Nice rig

so I take it the brass is too damaged to reload?


don't worry...I collected the brass....
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 9:03:40 PM EDT
Your picture looks familiar so I've gotta ask; are you the shotgun news guy?
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 9:06:04 PM EDT
LOL the Fortier mark on his pic might be a clue!
Link Posted: 12/10/2010 9:10:26 PM EDT
Duh , stupid me. I never read the names, I just read the articles. I mainly buy those magazines for the ads in the back and read the articles periodically .
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 6:04:54 AM EDT
Thanks for the picture it's not as ugly as I expected. It may have a spot in my collection
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 6:32:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/11/2010 6:33:50 AM EDT by chris65]
Nice rig, exciting project, and nice shooting there.

Some Q's:
1. Barrel length & Blank's Mfg?
2. CroMoly CL/not-CL or blackened Stainless?
3. Twist and #Grooves?
4. Did you shoot any x39 converted brass or steel loads thru it?
5. The pic name "Krebs65x38mmGrendelAK" - does this indicate a shorter neck and/or a longer throat for the longer projos?
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 8:15:03 AM EDT
Very cool!!!! Thanks for the write up.
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 11:46:22 AM EDT
2 moa at 550 yards? Sweet Lord!
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 1:34:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MAKAK47:
2 moa at 550 yards? Sweet Lord!


That's better than an 11" group
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 1:44:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/11/2010 6:00:57 PM EDT by Gunwritr]
Originally Posted By chris65:
Nice rig, exciting project, and nice shooting there.

Some Q's:
1. Barrel length & Blank's Mfg?
2. CroMoly CL/not-CL or blackened Stainless?
3. Twist and #Grooves?
4. Did you shoot any x39 converted brass or steel loads thru it?
5. The pic name "Krebs65x38mmGrendelAK" - does this indicate a shorter neck and/or a longer throat for the longer projos?


I wasn't given much for specifics on the barrel. 16 inches, stainless with 1-8 inch twist
I only shot factory loads through it.
6.5x38mm is the proper designation for the Grendel cartridge. So the case length is slightly shorter than
a 7.62x39mm. The Grendel was based on the .220 Russian

ETA: I have shot a bunch of x39 converted brass and STEEL cases in my Grendel ARs.
I would expect an AK to run fine on it just like an AR.
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 1:45:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
Originally Posted By MAKAK47:
2 moa at 550 yards? Sweet Lord!


That's better than an 11" group


nicely inside of a person's chest..........
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 2:19:37 PM EDT
Wow, if there was ever such a thing as a "perfect AK", this would be it. (Assuming that inexpensive ammo you mentioned becomes available.)

For the most part, I've already relegated my 7.62x39 AK's to the back of the safe. This rifle would be the death kneel to those AK's.

Any idea of whether there are serious plans to bring this to market, or is it just a project gun for now?
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 2:23:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MAKAK47:
2 moa at 550 yards? Sweet Lord!


Damn, that is impressive.
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 5:55:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/11/2010 6:28:37 PM EDT by Gunwritr]
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
Wow, if there was ever such a thing as a "perfect AK", this would be it. (Assuming that inexpensive ammo you mentioned becomes available.)

For the most part, I've already relegated my 7.62x39 AK's to the back of the safe. This rifle would be the death kneel to those AK's.

Any idea of whether there are serious plans to bring this to market, or is it just a project gun for now?


Yes, very serious. Bill Alexander and Marc Krebs have known each other for a number of years now.
Marc has had a lot on his plate but is very excited about this project. He is licensed and would
be the first to bring licensed Grendel AKs to market. But Bill is working on MUCH bigger fish
who are very interested and things are looking very good.
Or at least that is what I am hearing.
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 8:01:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
Originally Posted By MAKAK47:
2 moa at 550 yards? Sweet Lord!


That's better than an 11" group


nicely inside of a person's chest..........


Oh yeah good shooting rig for sure
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 11:04:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By X509:
Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
Originally Posted By Ermac:
I love the 6.5 grendel, but lack of availibility and high prices kills it.


But if it was readily available and priced the same as steel case 7.62x39mm
on the low end you might feel different huh....


Yes, and Yes.


That would make one extremely tempting.

Link Posted: 12/12/2010 1:07:12 PM EDT
If ammo became cheap, I would be all over this like a fat kid on a cupcake.
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 2:01:15 PM EDT
Hi, Dave.

I wanted to take the opportunity to say thanks for putting the AK platform out there, to give it the more positive recognition that it deserves. However, I think there's a long way to go. I have to admit that I'm kind of sick of seeing AR this and AR that and how certain gun shows seem to be focusing on how the AR is so widely accepted nowadays, even among some of the "Fudds". On one hand, I think it's great that more people are accepting these "evil black rifle" for what they are, but on the other hand, it's kind of maddening to not see more of the same about the AK. Given the average price of the AK platform, I'm willing to bet that there are just as many in civilian hands as there are AR type rifles. Now, it's time to let the public know it. That's where guys like you come in.
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 2:26:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
Wow, if there was ever such a thing as a "perfect AK", this would be it.


Close, but for me I'd find a way to get a 74 brake on it, ditch the rail on top and get the poly folder going.

A 74M in 6.5x38?


Holy mother effin cow, now THATS some tight shat.




Z
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 3:46:56 PM EDT
That is sweet !
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 6:02:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AKJP:
Hi, Dave.

I wanted to take the opportunity to say thanks for putting the AK platform out there, to give it the more positive recognition that it deserves. However, I think there's a long way to go. I have to admit that I'm kind of sick of seeing AR this and AR that and how certain gun shows seem to be focusing on how the AR is so widely accepted nowadays, even among some of the "Fudds". On one hand, I think it's great that more people are accepting these "evil black rifle" for what they are, but on the other hand, it's kind of maddening to not see more of the same about the AK. Given the average price of the AK platform, I'm willing to bet that there are just as many in civilian hands as there are AR type rifles. Now, it's time to let the public know it. That's where guys like you come in.


We are doing the best we can!
Our last Book of the AK annual outsold the Book of the AR-15 and came in as our top selling annual.
I pushed hard to make it happen, and readers have made it a success.
So we just keep pushing. I've done quite a few TV segments on the AK and am always trying to do more.
BUT it's people like you writing in and pushing which make things happen.
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 6:04:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TX-Zen:
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
Wow, if there was ever such a thing as a "perfect AK", this would be it.


Close, but for me I'd find a way to get a 74 brake on it, ditch the rail on top and get the poly folder going.

A 74M in 6.5x38?


Holy mother effin cow, now THATS some tight shat.




Z


I shot this with a '74 brake opened up just enough for the .264 projectile. Made the rifle easy to shoot but
was awful in low light. I am not a fan of Kreb's top rail either and I agree on the folder.
BUT remember.
This is nothing more than a first prototype to just test the cartridge in this platform. It performed much
better than expected.
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 6:12:53 PM EDT
what did you find lacking in the Krebs Top Rail and have you tried the TWS top rail?
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 6:15:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
what did you find lacking in the Krebs Top Rail and have you tried the TWS top rail?


The Krebs top rail worked fine. It certainly provides a very stable mount for a magnified optic.
But I am just not a top rail kinda guy. I'd just prefer something a bit simpler.
Link Posted: 12/12/2010 6:26:25 PM EDT
Something simpler, like what? A low pro side mount?
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