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Posted: 6/21/2010 10:13:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Masterbeef]
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I find the AFG to be really comfortable, however i can understand how some may not like it.
I have an AFG on two different rifles and so far every person i have let shoot them either hates it, thinks it is a marketing ploy, or just cant figure out how to hold it 
I have a few questions about your setup H20_MAN, since mine is similar. 1. did you cut off the lower handguard retainer? is there really much benefit in doing so? 2. what are your thoughts on co-witnessing with the fully hooded front sight? Do you find it getting in the way much when not looking down the irons, or is it not really noticeable due to how your eye is focused? My latest effort to keep up with H20 
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Posted: 6/21/2010 1:58:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: H2O_MAN]
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Originally Posted By Masterbeef:
I have a few questions about your setup H20_MAN, since mine is similar. 1. did you cut off the lower handguard retainer? is there really much benefit in doing so? 2. what are your thoughts on co-witnessing with the fully hooded front sight? Do you find it getting in the way much when not looking down the irons, or is it not really noticeable due to how your eye is focused? My latest effort to keep up with H20 http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac234/bonerstallone/DSCF0231.jpg 1. I cut nothing. 2. I don't notice the hooded front sight when the Optic is turned on.  Great looking AK!
What did you use as the host? ChiCom or other? What light and mount? |
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Posted: 6/21/2010 4:34:28 PM EDT
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Thanks man
Base rifle is a MAK-90 Light is a Surefire G2 LED Mount is VLTOR Scout mount |
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Posted: 6/21/2010 4:55:27 PM EDT
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I put the Aimpoint on there for the sake of taking pictures and to see how it mounts on the new Ultimak. It's already zeroed for an AR and went back on the AR after I was done snapping pics. I'm getting a Trijicon Reflex for the AK when I can fund it. This is probably as much as I'll change on this rifle... Although I am considering a more comfortable grip. |
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Posted: 6/21/2010 5:57:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: H2O_MAN]
[#5]
Nice!
What flash hider is that? Is the Aimpoint low enough to cowitness irons? |
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USA
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Posted: 6/21/2010 6:28:02 PM EDT
[#6]
Bulgarian Flash Hider. Even without the spacer it's still a little too high to co-witness, unfortunately.
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Posted: 6/21/2010 9:26:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2010 10:45:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: H2O_MAN]
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Posted: 6/22/2010 12:37:27 PM EDT
[#9]
Originally Posted By H2O_MAN:
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_MAN/T56SHTF-SUPPRESSED002.jpg I gotta get me one of them rails for my VEPR K. 
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Posted: 6/22/2010 4:54:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: M4DAD]
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This is my yugo AB2,,,, With underfolder stock removed.
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USA
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Posted: 6/22/2010 11:16:10 PM EDT
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What make of folding adapter is that? Gotta say, thats really close to the build I am working on, minus the ultimak plus a BP-02 rail. |
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Posted: 6/23/2010 9:58:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: M4DAD]
[#12]
Originally Posted By -V-:
What make of folding adapter is that? Gotta say, thats really close to the build I am working on, minus the ultimak plus a BP-02 rail. Its not a folder, That is a castle nut thats welded to the rear trunnion. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2010 12:17:39 PM EDT
[#13]
Originally Posted By H2O_MAN:
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_MAN/T56SHTF-SUPPRESSED002.jpg How is the suppressor mounted? |
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Posted: 6/23/2010 12:51:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: H2O_MAN]
[#14]
Originally Posted By toyotaman:
Originally Posted By H2O_MAN:
 How is the suppressor mounted? SEI DC Vortex AK-47/AKM Flash Suppressor... 14 X 1M Left Hand Thread... #6026V 
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Posted: 6/23/2010 2:46:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By H2O_MAN: Originally Posted By toyotaman: Originally Posted By H2O_MAN: http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_MAN/T56SHTF-SUPPRESSED002.jpg How is the suppressor mounted? SEI DC Vortex AK-47/AKM Flash Suppressor... 14 X 1M Left Hand Thread... #6026V http://www.athenswater.com/images/7.62DC-Vortex-AKM.jpg Me gusta el suppressor and mount-o. Never seen the h20 ak without the suppressor. What is the OAL? |
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Posted: 6/23/2010 4:23:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: H2O_MAN]
[#16]
Originally Posted By DKlic6:
Me gusta el suppressor and mount-o. Never seen the h20 ak without the suppressor. What is the OAL? This picture is about a year old. The OAL is 36.00" >> 39.25" |
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Posted: 6/23/2010 4:38:59 PM EDT
[#17]
Very nice
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Posted: 6/23/2010 5:24:47 PM EDT
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It's still semi-traditional but not all the way:
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Posted: 6/26/2010 12:53:08 AM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/27/2010 12:12:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mannizzle]
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http://www.lsu-sux.com/img/myaknow.jpg
FNG here, decided to break the ice here. wasr 10/63 tapco stuff, caa grip, and burris fastfire...waiting for my pk-a to come in EDIT: shot over 600 rounds this weekend, love it. |
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Posted: 6/27/2010 9:06:10 AM EDT
[#21]
Practical modifications to a proven weapons system... very nice. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 6/27/2010 9:52:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: eudyta63]
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These are some nice rifles guys.There is nothing wrong with making some changes to the Kalashnikov to make it better for the end user.It would seem that even the Russians have changed some things.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 6/27/2010 10:01:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/27/2010 10:01:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Scout198575:
Not to too tactical.... but its getting there. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c272/Scout198575/Guns%20and%20Shit/DSC00846.jpg im going to copy that rifle and you cant stop me. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 6/27/2010 11:14:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By edogg_james4804:
Originally Posted By GDubya:
Another Krebs KTR with a few tweaks http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee87/GDubyaS45/KTR08RHS.jpg I see you have the Krebs rail? DOes it heep the scope zeroed very well after moving up and down to take the ak apart? Yes, I've had no re-zero issues. I have the Gen-I rail which sits on a lslightly arger dolls head in the tang. Gen-IIs have readier serrated windage and elevation adjustments and a pin-type lockdown. 
I occaisonally take the T1 off and just shoot the irons. That longer sight radius is the tits. I see you have the PWS FSC47 too. I absolutely love mine |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/27/2010 11:45:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Gardner]
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Draco SBR
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Posted: 6/27/2010 11:51:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gardner:
Draco SBR http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/Gardner37/DSC_0029.jpg sick! this thread is killing me. |
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Posted: 6/27/2010 11:58:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gardner: Draco SBR http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/Gardner37/DSC_0029.jpg Dude, details... NOW! |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/27/2010 12:20:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gardner]
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Thanks
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Posted: 6/27/2010 9:02:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gardner:
Draco SBR http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/Gardner37/DSC_0029.jpg http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/Gardner37/DSC_0021.jpg That is badass, wow...... I want. Wow 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/28/2010 12:17:31 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gardner:
Draco SBR http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/Gardner37/DSC_0029.jpg http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/Gardner37/DSC_0021.jpg Okay, I do not usually like AR stocks or full rail systems on an AK but damn I am just drooling over this right now. It looks like a different gun. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/28/2010 12:30:56 AM EDT
[#32]
Originally Posted By Gardner:
Draco SBR http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/Gardner37/DSC_0029.jpg http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/Gardner37/DSC_0021.jpg What rail is that? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 6/28/2010 1:02:10 AM EDT
[#33]
Originally Posted By Gardner:
Draco SBR http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/Gardner37/DSC_0029.jpg http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/Gardner37/DSC_0021.jpg What is used to hold that stock on and to swivel it to the side? Did this require any special modifications? |
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Posted: 6/28/2010 3:21:13 AM EDT
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appears to be ultimak awesomeness.
Which length gas tube did you go with? |
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Posted: 6/28/2010 7:08:43 AM EDT
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What rail is that? What is used to hold that stock on and to swivel it to the side? Did this require any special modifications? appears to be ultimak awesomeness. Which length gas tube did you go with? The details of his build are here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=98&t=129664 |
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Posted: 6/28/2010 8:03:44 AM EDT
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You just OWNED page six.. Great job
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Posted: 6/28/2010 10:05:15 AM EDT
[#37]
Originally Posted By Gardner:
Draco SBR Very nice! Am I correct here? It's a pistol that requires no tax stamp, but it becomes an SBR as soon as you install a butt stock. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 6/28/2010 10:53:09 AM EDT
[#38]
Originally Posted By H2O_MAN:
Originally Posted By Gardner:
Draco SBR Very nice! Am I correct here? It's a pistol that requires no tax stamp, but it becomes an SBR as soon as you install a butt stock. Yep. I Draco is sold as a handgun. Get your tax stamp, add a buttstock... instant SBR. Not sure how his is done, but I've seen them where the Ace hinge mechanism was just bolted directly to the rear plate of the Draco trunnion. Like stated above, I don't usually care for AR buttstocks or railed HGs on AKs but this one does look "right". |
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Posted: 6/28/2010 11:05:23 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Brazos:
Originally Posted By Dieter122:
Originally Posted By AJSully421:
Originally Posted By Dieter122:
the AFG... barbie accessory. Good money maker for all those who hop onboard for anything that has "MAGPUL" stamped on it. unfortunately its pretty useless. And awkward. I said the same thing... then a buddy loaned me his for a weekend. Then I got my own and did some mods to it, trimmed it up so a TLR-1 fits right up next to it, cut off the front 2" because I only use the angled part. It is not as awkward or uncomfortable as you think and really allows you to control your muzzle. Get over yourself and really give it a try before you shit on it. I have tried it...on a M4 type. No thanks. this is about as useful as "AK RECOIL BUFFERS". If a $3 piece of plastic REALLY enhanced ones grip and the ergonomics of rifles, it would of been invented awhile ago. I dont see this AFG as a groundbreaking piece. Its more a fad. That is my opinion of course. http://cdn1.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/afg_9-tfb.jpg http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6264/afg41tfbtm.jpg That's a pretty impressive statement of personal ignorance... Oh well, nothing new here. The AFG has been debated to death on the AR boards. Do a search there. Basically its a product that facilitates the hand forward grip that has been developed, and proved, by the competitive (read 3 Gun) community to be one of the most effective means of controlling recoil and muzzle jump and indexing the muzzle quickly between multiple targets. This grip has finally made its way into the mainstream of military training and shooting. And like most all the other innovations developed in the competition sports which have become mainstream like red dot sights and muzzle brakes and free float fore-ends...its amazing to those with simple minds to small to imagined it themselves, that it could work at all... Red dot sights, free float fore ends, and muzzle breaks all easily show a quantifiable improvement for their intended purpose. The AFG is not going to make everyone faster, more accurate, or "better" simply by sticking it on the rail. Even Magpul recommends training in order to receive a benefit from the AFG. If you like the AFG that is great but it doesn't make someone ignorant for not agreeing with you. As for it being a fad I think maybe it is. There are alot of people bolting these to rifles who can afford the AFG but cannot afford $100 of ammo or the Magpul Dynamics videos to "train" with the AFG. |
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Posted: 6/28/2010 11:50:16 AM EDT
[#40]
Originally Posted By Imaposer2:
Originally Posted By H2O_MAN:
Originally Posted By Gardner:
Draco SBR Very nice! Am I correct here? It's a pistol that requires no tax stamp, but it becomes an SBR as soon as you install a butt stock. Yep. I Draco is sold as a handgun. Get your tax stamp, add a buttstock... instant SBR. Not sure how his is done, but I've seen them where the Ace hinge mechanism was just bolted directly to the rear plate of the Draco trunnion. Like stated above, I don't usually care for AR buttstocks or railed HGs on AKs but this one does look "right". That's awesome and inexpensive! I see the pistol for sale under $400.00... this could be my next AK build and I think it would make a fine companion for my Norinco T56SHTF
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Posted: 6/28/2010 12:32:17 PM EDT
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I'm pretty much an AK purist, but I absolutely love what you did with that Draco. Ya got me thinking about buying one now. I even like the buttstock, which pretty much goes against my beliefs.
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Posted: 6/28/2010 1:40:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By H2O_MAN:
Originally Posted By Imaposer2:
Originally Posted By H2O_MAN:
Originally Posted By Gardner:
Draco SBR Very nice! Am I correct here? It's a pistol that requires no tax stamp, but it becomes an SBR as soon as you install a butt stock. Yep. I Draco is sold as a handgun. Get your tax stamp, add a buttstock... instant SBR. Not sure how his is done, but I've seen them where the Ace hinge mechanism was just bolted directly to the rear plate of the Draco trunnion. Like stated above, I don't usually care for AR buttstocks or railed HGs on AKs but this one does look "right". That's awesome and inexpensive! I see the pistol for sale under $400.00... this could be my next AK build and I think it would make a fine companion for my Norinco T56SHTF Yeah, as far as SBRs go, this is a relatively easy and inexpensive route to take. I almost took the plunge a few months ago after seeing another similar Draco SBR, but then I talked myself out of it. I ended up deciding that i didn't want to spend the $200, and do all the paperwork for a rifle with more legal restrictions, just to save a few inches in OAL. I sometimes do some interstate traveling with my firearms and just don't want to deal with the hassles of a SBR, or having to leave my favorite rifle at home. I have a feeling that if I built one of these it would be my favorite. Seeing one like this does make my more sensible side a little less persuasive though. 
Maybe one of these days. |
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Posted: 6/28/2010 3:36:55 PM EDT
[#43]
Originally Posted By Gardner:
Draco SBR http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/Gardner37/DSC_0029.jpg http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/Gardner37/DSC_0020.jpg http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/Gardner37/DSC_0021.jpg What pistol grip is that? |
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Posted: 6/28/2010 4:03:18 PM EDT
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ACE AR Grip Adapter and Magpul MIAD Grip with top tang cut off.
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Posted: 7/3/2010 4:40:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dieter122:
the AFG... barbie accessory. Good money maker for all those who hop onboard for anything that has "MAGPUL" stamped on it. unfortunately its pretty useless. And awkward. The AFG is not a fad. It's a solution to a problem some people are having. I myself switched to the AFG after using a VFG and a KAC handstop. Both were "okay" except they caused me gradual wrist pain and made my middle and ring fingers fall asleep. The AFG solved both issues. |
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Posted: 7/3/2010 6:43:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Scout198575:
Not to too tactical.... but its getting there. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c272/Scout198575/Guns%20and%20Shit/DSC00846.jpg I like this one the best, can you share with us where you got those components? I have mine dressed up with fiberforce stuff and it looks "okay" but I really like what you've done there, and would like to one day copy you because I'm unoriginal like that :). |
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Posted: 7/3/2010 7:33:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: valleyrat]
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Posted: 7/3/2010 7:53:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/3/2010 10:31:17 PM EDT
[#49]
Originally Posted By Gardner:
Draco SBR http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/Gardner37/DSC_0029.jpg http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/Gardner37/DSC_0020.jpg http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww254/Gardner37/DSC_0021.jpg I want one 
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Posted: 7/3/2010 11:04:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Finslayer83]
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Originally Posted By TexasCenturion:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s51/TexasCenturion/AK-74.jpg Very Nice! I run a similar setup, just in plum. 
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