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Posted: 7/17/2014 1:23:18 PM EDT
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No idea. Luckily I have over 10k rounds of GT. This has got me terrified though that I need an even bigger stockpile
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Posted: 7/17/2014 1:37:51 PM EDT
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News outlets are already saying there could be further sanctions as Russia is likely going to retaliate now for yesterday's sanctions. I topped off a little extra GT from SGammo just now. If you are short on ammo and have been putting it off, you might want to go ahead and get ahead of the curve.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 2:07:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/17/2014 2:43:48 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info guys. I might have to buy some before its too late.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 2:49:34 PM EDT
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We havent had a good panic in a couple months. Might as well start a new one
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Posted: 7/17/2014 3:13:49 PM EDT
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Why wouldn't it be?
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Posted: 7/17/2014 4:26:43 PM EDT
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No idea. Luckily I have over 10k rounds of GT. This has got me terrified though that I need an even bigger stockpile 10,000 rounds of GT? I'm a little terrified of YOU. 
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Posted: 7/17/2014 4:30:18 PM EDT
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There are other countries that make steel case 7.62x39 other than Russia, Russia is just the big one. I am sure all of those other countries will be more than happy to up production, fill the gap and libe their pockets if ammo is hit with sanctions. If it is banned it will be a blip on the radar before it calms down again and all the other countries fill the void.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 4:34:47 PM EDT
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It is anybody's guess what is going to happen
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Posted: 7/17/2014 5:10:35 PM EDT
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For the love of Christ, don't start panic buying over it AGAIN.
Ammo comes from ALL OVER. Please stop. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 5:32:37 PM EDT
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Is ammo included in the sanctions or not?
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Posted: 7/17/2014 5:34:21 PM EDT
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Ammo comes from ALL OVER. 7.62x39 comes from all over? Enlighten me as to where. Imports from China are long banned, now imports from Russia, and I doubt the Ukraine will be sending much as they are a mite busy at the moment. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 5:37:14 PM EDT
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Yugo, s&b, ect...
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Posted: 7/17/2014 5:55:04 PM EDT
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PANIC!!!
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Posted: 7/17/2014 7:57:09 PM EDT
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Is ammo included in the sanctions or not? Here is the official word, but you will need to be a lawyer to understand it. http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20140716.aspx |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 10:37:06 PM EDT
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Fuck it ordered another case of fmj
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Posted: 7/17/2014 10:50:05 PM EDT
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BUY BUY BUY!!!!!!
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Posted: 7/17/2014 11:05:40 PM EDT
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I think there is legitimate concern of Russian made ammo being banned..... But, lets not go crazy and go into a panic buying spree....
Ammunition has been exceptionally hard to find for the past couple of years. The market is starting to make a comeback. Lets not fuck it up...... |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 11:39:07 PM EDT
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I think there is legitimate concern of Russian made ammo being banned..... But, lets not go crazy and go into a panic buying spree.... Ammunition has been exceptionally hard to find for the past couple of years. The market is starting to make a comeback. Lets not fuck it up...... It's not us fucking it up that folks are worried about..... |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 12:19:33 AM EDT
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Well, JSC is on the list. Don't they make Barnaul?
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:14:34 AM EDT
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I just
 PANIC PURCHASED 4K of Hot Shot 7.62X 39 fmj from SG. Best deal I could find. I'm not taking a chance so I bought what I could afford for now.. Why should we need to worry about this shit,,,, BUMMER.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:44:51 AM EDT
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well shit.I was going to order another case of GT anyways so I just went ahead and got 3
 if obama had any balls this would have been over months ago  |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:47:14 AM EDT
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is vympel even on the list?
hope the Romanians start exporting more of the sealed/lacquer coated like we seen in the red army std line |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 7:57:27 AM EDT
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Why wouldn't it be? Exactly. Destroying our 2A rights one bit at a time is what that POS in the White House has been doing since Day One in office. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:14:44 AM EDT
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Panic is in full force
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:41:27 AM EDT
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Panic is in full force BUY BUY BUY !! HOARD HOARD HOARD !! GOUGE GOUGE GOUGE !! 
Geez this scenario is gettin' old ...... |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 10:28:33 AM EDT
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No idea. Luckily I have over 10k rounds of GT. This has got me terrified though that I need an even bigger stockpile Yeah Ya Rite...... 
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Posted: 7/18/2014 10:32:45 AM EDT
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I just PANIC PURCHASED 4K of Hot Shot 7.62X 39 fmj from SG. Best deal I could find. I'm not taking a chance so I bought what I could afford for now.. Why should we need to worry about this shit,,,, BUMMER.I heard this stuff is mildly corrosive......  .
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Posted: 7/18/2014 12:12:03 PM EDT
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7.62x39 comes from all over? Enlighten me as to where. Imports from China are long banned, now imports from Russia, and I doubt the Ukraine will be sending much as they are a mite busy at the moment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ammo comes from ALL OVER. 7.62x39 comes from all over? Enlighten me as to where. Imports from China are long banned, now imports from Russia, and I doubt the Ukraine will be sending much as they are a mite busy at the moment. Hungary Korea Finland Bulgaria Serbia Romania Czech Republic USA ETA: Did I miss the "imports from Russia" are banned story? (beyond the products of the Concern Kalashnikov Holding Company) |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 3:07:55 PM EDT
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Hungary Korea Finland Bulgaria Serbia Romania Czech Republic USA ETA: Did I miss the "imports from Russia" are banned story? (beyond the products of the Concern Kalashnikov Holding Company) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ammo comes from ALL OVER. 7.62x39 comes from all over? Enlighten me as to where. Imports from China are long banned, now imports from Russia, and I doubt the Ukraine will be sending much as they are a mite busy at the moment. Hungary Korea Finland Bulgaria Serbia Romania Czech Republic USA ETA: Did I miss the "imports from Russia" are banned story? (beyond the products of the Concern Kalashnikov Holding Company) Awesome! What exactly are those brand names and who's carrying them? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 3:09:32 PM EDT
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Panic is in full force I don't think so, just some good buying going on, SGammo still has a shit-ton of 7.62x39 in over a dozen different flavors. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 3:47:50 PM EDT
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.22lr will be banned from import as well...better FO
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Posted: 7/18/2014 4:00:07 PM EDT
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For the love of Christ, don't start panic buying over it AGAIN. Ammo comes from ALL OVER. Please stop. I don't know about that. Almost all the ammo I buy is from Russia and has been since Chinese ammo was banned. Don't see large quantities of ammo from Poland, Germany, Bulgaria, Romania etc etc. but that could change with the end of Russian imports. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:48:09 PM EDT
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I heard this stuff is mildly corrosive...... .
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I just PANIC PURCHASED 4K of Hot Shot 7.62X 39 fmj from SG. Best deal I could find. I'm not taking a chance so I bought what I could afford for now.. Why should we need to worry about this shit,,,, BUMMER.I heard this stuff is mildly corrosive...... .
I have read extensively on Hot Shot and your comment is the first on claiming Hot Shot is corrosive. Where did you read this? link please. HotShot® 7.62x39mm 123 Grain FMJ Ammo. Full Metal Jacket, current production... Limited quantities! Polymer coated steel case Berdan primed Non-reloadable Non-corrosive Muzzle velocity: 2,330 F.P.S. Muzzle energy: 1,483 ft. lbs. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:05:22 PM EDT
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Awesome! What exactly are those brand names and who's carrying them? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ammo comes from ALL OVER. 7.62x39 comes from all over? Enlighten me as to where. Imports from China are long banned, now imports from Russia, and I doubt the Ukraine will be sending much as they are a mite busy at the moment. Hungary Korea Finland Bulgaria Serbia Romania Czech Republic USA ETA: Did I miss the "imports from Russia" are banned story? (beyond the products of the Concern Kalashnikov Holding Company) Awesome! What exactly are those brand names and who's carrying them? Country - Brand Korea - PMC Finland. - Lapua Bulgaria - New production Arsenal ( Circle 10 surplus was imported in the past with Hebrew writing on the cans, I had 3 crates) Serbia. - PPU Romania - Hot Shot and Red Army Standard Czech R. - S&B U.S. - Winchester and Remington. My local Walmart has 40 round packs at a hefty premium. I also believe there was Cheetah? ammo from Zimbabwe back in the day. It would also be cool to see South Africa brining in ammo. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:42:52 PM EDT
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Ammo comes from ALL OVER.
7.62x39 comes from all over? Enlighten me as to where. Imports from China are long banned, now imports from Russia, and I doubt the Ukraine will be sending much as they are a mite busy at the moment. Hungary Korea Finland Bulgaria Serbia Romania Czech Republic USA ETA: Did I miss the "imports from Russia" are banned story? (beyond the products of the Concern Kalashnikov Holding Company) Don't recall seeing any Bulgarian 7.62x39 but anyway half the list cited above is brass-cased ammo which costs over twice as much as steel case. In any event it'll be interesting to see if Romania & Poland can fill the gap without holding up the importers too badly.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:34:22 PM EDT
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Well 1 place that I was buying from is now off my list after this email I got...
Get Your AK-47 Ammo Before It's Banned | 7.62x39mm WPA & Tul Ammo And jacked it up to $299/1K. 
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:58:40 PM EDT
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Country - Brand Korea - PMC Finland. - Lapua Bulgaria - New production Arsenal ( Circle 10 surplus was imported in the past with Hebrew writing on the cans, I had 3 crates) Serbia. - PPU Romania - Hot Shot and Red Army Standard Czech R. - S&B U.S. - Winchester and Remington. My local Walmart has 40 round packs at a hefty premium. I also believe there was Cheetah? ammo from Zimbabwe back in the day. It would also be cool to see South Africa brining in ammo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ammo comes from ALL OVER. 7.62x39 comes from all over? Enlighten me as to where. Imports from China are long banned, now imports from Russia, and I doubt the Ukraine will be sending much as they are a mite busy at the moment. Hungary Korea Finland Bulgaria Serbia Romania Czech Republic USA ETA: Did I miss the "imports from Russia" are banned story? (beyond the products of the Concern Kalashnikov Holding Company) Awesome! What exactly are those brand names and who's carrying them? Country - Brand Korea - PMC Finland. - Lapua Bulgaria - New production Arsenal ( Circle 10 surplus was imported in the past with Hebrew writing on the cans, I had 3 crates) Serbia. - PPU Romania - Hot Shot and Red Army Standard Czech R. - S&B U.S. - Winchester and Remington. My local Walmart has 40 round packs at a hefty premium. I also believe there was Cheetah? ammo from Zimbabwe back in the day. It would also be cool to see South Africa brining in ammo. Thanks for filling those in, I've been away all day. The Hungarian 7.62x39 is brought in and marketed as/by Fiocchi. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 10:55:30 PM EDT
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When it comes to anything imported, it's pretty much guaranteed to not last forever for one reason or another. If you're waiting until a panic occurs you waited too long, and have fun paying a panic price for it.
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Posted: 7/19/2014 2:30:22 AM EDT
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There's a big difference between "panic" and knowing your enemy. We've seen what the left is willing to do to hurt gun/ammo buyers. These people, with Obama and Holder as their leaders are ruthless. They shipped guns to Mexican narco terrorists HOPING that they'd be used in violent crimes, which could then be used to promote their gun hating agenda. Yeah, no way someone willing to do that would ever sign a piece of paper banning imports of Russian ammo...
Other people make 7.62x39, but who out there is making a product as good as, say, golden tiger, at a similar price? "Just buy it from somewhere else" sounds a lot more like something a hack from the administration should be saying than what a 2A supporter should be saying. IF Obama banned Russian ammo, we'll get lower quality product at a higher price, even after the panic ends. That's not good for any of us. IMO it's not "panicking" to do something before you get hurded onto the cattle cars. It's all about knowing your enemy and preparing for the worst. SG hasn't raised its prices. Stack it deep, says I. |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 2:59:33 AM EDT
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Has SAM from SGammo made any posts since all of this has been going on??
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Posted: 7/19/2014 3:18:28 AM EDT
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Yes, the industry forum. Says GT is flying off the shelf and they are super busy. No surprise there!
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Posted: 7/19/2014 9:13:22 AM EDT
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There's a big difference between "panic" and knowing your enemy. We've seen what the left is willing to do to hurt gun/ammo buyers. These people, with Obama and Holder as their leaders are ruthless. They shipped guns to Mexican narco terrorists HOPING that they'd be used in violent crimes, which could then be used to promote their gun hating agenda. Yeah, no way someone willing to do that would ever sign a piece of paper banning imports of Russian ammo... Other people make 7.62x39, but who out there is making a product as good as, say, golden tiger, at a similar price? "Just buy it from somewhere else" sounds a lot more like something a hack from the administration should be saying than what a 2A supporter should be saying. IF Obama banned Russian ammo, we'll get lower quality product at a higher price, even after the panic ends. That's not good for any of us. IMO it's not "panicking" to do something before you get hurded onto the cattle cars. It's all about knowing your enemy and preparing for the worst. SG hasn't raised its prices. Stack it deep, says I. Well stated! 
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Posted: 7/19/2014 10:36:16 AM EDT
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Just got in a few thousands round I bought before knowing on the Russia gun ban. So I just looked on ammoseek and under .25 cents a round are 10's of thousands of 7.62x39 rounds for sale. No need to panic lots out there to buy and Russia isn't the only place to make this ammo.
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Posted: 7/19/2014 3:23:52 PM EDT
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Country - Brand Korea - PMC Finland. - Lapua Bulgaria - New production Arsenal ( Circle 10 surplus was imported in the past with Hebrew writing on the cans, I had 3 crates) Serbia. - PPU Romania - Hot Shot and Red Army Standard Czech R. - S&B U.S. - Winchester and Remington. My local Walmart has 40 round packs at a hefty premium. I also believe there was Cheetah? ammo from Zimbabwe back in the day. It would also be cool to see South Africa brining in ammo. Thanks Riverine! I forgot about PPU, I actually have some in .223 and .308 but don't recall seeing a vendor with some x39 in stock. I think I actually have some S&B too, got it from Cabelas IIRC. I thought the Red Army stuff was Ukrainian? Ahh, just checked SGammo, so should be plenty of this stuff if nothing else. Still I ordered some more GT, it's the most accurate round in my rifles, though Brown Bear does pretty well too. |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 4:04:17 PM EDT
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Thanks Riverine! I forgot about PPU, I actually have some in .223 and .308 but don't recall seeing a vendor with some x39 in stock. I think I actually have some S&B too, got it from Cabelas IIRC. I thought the Red Army stuff was Ukrainian? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Country - Brand Korea - PMC Finland. - Lapua Bulgaria - New production Arsenal ( Circle 10 surplus was imported in the past with Hebrew writing on the cans, I had 3 crates) Serbia. - PPU Romania - Hot Shot and Red Army Standard Czech R. - S&B U.S. - Winchester and Remington. My local Walmart has 40 round packs at a hefty premium. I also believe there was Cheetah? ammo from Zimbabwe back in the day. It would also be cool to see South Africa brining in ammo. Thanks Riverine! I forgot about PPU, I actually have some in .223 and .308 but don't recall seeing a vendor with some x39 in stock. I think I actually have some S&B too, got it from Cabelas IIRC. I thought the Red Army stuff was Ukrainian? Some of it is, supposedly the Romanian stuff has the green lacquer sealant and the Ukrainian stuff doesn't have any. Not sure where the 5.45 is made either. |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 7:17:31 PM EDT
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Some of it is, supposedly the Romanian stuff has the green lacquer sealant and the Ukrainian stuff doesn't have any. Not sure where the 5.45 is made either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Country - Brand Korea - PMC Finland. - Lapua Bulgaria - New production Arsenal ( Circle 10 surplus was imported in the past with Hebrew writing on the cans, I had 3 crates) Serbia. - PPU Romania - Hot Shot and Red Army Standard Czech R. - S&B U.S. - Winchester and Remington. My local Walmart has 40 round packs at a hefty premium. I also believe there was Cheetah? ammo from Zimbabwe back in the day. It would also be cool to see South Africa brining in ammo. Thanks Riverine! I forgot about PPU, I actually have some in .223 and .308 but don't recall seeing a vendor with some x39 in stock. I think I actually have some S&B too, got it from Cabelas IIRC. I thought the Red Army stuff was Ukrainian? Some of it is, supposedly the Romanian stuff has the green lacquer sealant and the Ukrainian stuff doesn't have any. Not sure where the 5.45 is made either. Gotcha. Looks like SG has several of the brands from up above, they have some PMC and some Bulgarian ammo in addition to the Red Army stuff, looks like they carry S&B too but are out of stock. They also have Fiocchi which is Italian if i'm not mistaken. |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 10:34:23 PM EDT
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Sam also stated not to expect anything out of Ukraine for a while, for obvious reasons. Several of the alternative sources listed above only make brass cased ammo. We are aware of the price difference compared to steel, yes?
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Are we also aware the current supply of 7.62x39 was imported a couple months ago? When it runs low due to panic buying (justified or not) we'll have to wait & see what shows up next, and what it'll cost. And no, am not buying or selling that caliber, don't work for any vendor, and am as sick of this political bullshit as everyone else is. |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 10:55:00 PM EDT
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Screaming "don't panic" is the worst idea ever. The market is going to go bat shit crazy no matter how hard you try to stop it. You're better off buying what you can afford now than waiting and bitching about hoarders and gougers later.
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Posted: 7/19/2014 11:22:04 PM EDT
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Sam also stated not to expect anything out of Ukraine for a while, for obvious reasons. Several of the alternative sources listed above only make brass cased ammo. We are aware of the price difference compared to steel, yes? .
Are we also aware the current supply of 7.62x39 was imported a couple months ago? When it runs low due to panic buying (justified or not) we'll have to wait & see what shows up next, and what it'll cost. And no, am not buying or selling that caliber, don't work for any vendor, and am as sick of this political bullshit as everyone else is. That wasn't the question that was asked to prompt my response, but it should be obvious to anyone who has visited any vendor. Not speaking of anyone in this thread, but most have a very limited understanding of the market as a whole. Take a look at the 7n6 panic thread and notice how many didn't know that commercial 5.45 even existed. In the next few weeks, I'm going to start an attempt to shine a light on what is available (company, history, performance, construction). |
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