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leatherface_y2k
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Posted: 8/8/2012 8:47:29 PM
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THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT
This arrived today from SGAmmo. 300 rd. can of 1948 production soviet 148gr. ball. SG has some GREAT deals on 7.62x54R btw. Opened the cardboard box and there was the absolute nastiest ammo can I've ever seen! Appears to be galvanized steel with white powdery corrosion all over the outside. Extremely thick bead of soft solder around the top. Looked like something that sat in the magazine of a soviet ship for 70+ years.. lol

I was a bit stumped on how to open the thing. I have a "can opener" for the usual steel spam cans, but this had no lip to hook on to. Noticed a sort of tab on one corner. Got out the channel locks and tried pulling, rolling, twisting..finally a seam opened up and it wasn't hard to get the lid off after that. Smelled like 1948 when that lid opened too... The reason I bought it was because it's on original soviet strippers, not easy to find. I wasn't expecting anything good but the ammo and strippers are pristine. Can't wait to send some downrange!

The pic actually makes the lid / can look better than it does to the naked eye..

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Posted: 8/4/2012 3:21:39 AM
Polish 7.62x25 comes in those cans. Yeah they are nasty and leave that white shit everywhere but the ammo inside was always good. Wish i could get more at those prices
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Posted: 8/4/2012 7:38:14 AM
Yep, my case of 7.62x25mm Tokarev was identical. If I recall correctly, I stuck a big flathead screwdriver into the seam, pried up an edge, and peeled it right open.
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Posted: 8/4/2012 11:38:48 PM
Okay, I'm in love with the stripper clips! LOL

Didn't get to the range but did see how they'd charge my rifle. Boom, 1 second and 5 rounds ready to go. So somewhat impressed with soviet 1936 / '48 loading tech. Yeah my Garand is just as quick to charge but no possibility of thumb smash.

Why oh why is there no M2 ball for $64/300?? lol
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Posted: 8/5/2012 4:15:31 PM
I think I got some Hungarian HB in a can like that. Can is probably toxic waste, but the ammo is good. Your stuff (1948) is some of the older x54 surplus I've seen.

I got some Albanian in a can where the string on one of the paper bundle got trapped in the seam and was sticking out of the can. Crude but effective.
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Posted: 8/6/2012 12:14:59 AM
Mine was 1946 that I got from AIM and I felt a HAZMAT suit would have been nice seeing the condition of the outside of the can.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 1:38:50 AM
I believe that the white stuff is white lead oxide. The stuff that was used to make really good paint before 1972. It is toxic.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 11:06:47 AM
The can is "galvanized" or zinc plated steel, so the white residue is zinc oxide... pretty nasty but look how well it proteced the contents!
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Posted: 8/8/2012 12:11:22 AM
Yeah, the can was galavanized, not painted other then the stenciling on the lid. And it performed its function well, 78 yr. old ammo that looks factory fresh.

I did, however, wear nitrile gloves while handling / opening the can. And the boxes were all removed to a .50 cal ammo can shortly after I took the pic. Can and lid bagged up and disposed of.

I've been shooting from a can of Bulgarian '77 ammo that my rifle really likes. Interested to see how this much older stuff compares.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 6:00:47 PM
Most of the Yugoslavian repacked WWII German 7.92x57 and Yugo M49 ammo Ive received in the last 12 years came in the same type tins in wood crates.The Yugo's took it a step further by placing a wire with looped pull ends in the solder joint for opening the can.Simply grab the looped ends and rip the tins top right open.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 7:12:46 PM
I have some stuff from 1947. Shoots REALLY well, perhaps some of the best shooting 7.62x54R available.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:41:02 PM
I got some Czech that was like that but a larger can. http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo020.htm
That stuff. The pull rings on it that you can see here http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/ammo020f.JPG didn't work at all and just pulled right off. Cut my hand up on one of them. I grabbed the vice grips to open it up. Shoots like a champ though.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 8:07:00 AM
I got some same stuff from 1947 from AIM, the stenciling was rubbed off the top of the can , was wondering how to open those cans. i didnt see the 54r with stripper clips on Sportsman Guide site
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Posted: 8/10/2012 8:10:56 AM
Must have been a PITA to build and seal those cans but it is about perfect storage. You know it has seen some nasty conditions since it was sealed up!
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Posted: 8/10/2012 3:22:01 PM
Mine was 1946 from SG and it's awesome. Age is a non issue with corrosive primers, if it was stored well it will last 100 years easy.
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Posted: 8/11/2012 12:44:19 AM
Originally Posted By mellow01:
I got some same stuff from 1947 from AIM, the stenciling was rubbed off the top of the can , was wondering how to open those cans. i didnt see the 54r with stripper clips on Sportsman Guide site


SGAmmo has the stuff on original soviet strippers. Those things are great! Easiest charge via stripper I've ever seen. One of the offerings on SG has a quick video on how to open these old cans. Wish I'd seen that first. Dude opens one in like 15 seconds.
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Posted: 8/15/2012 7:05:12 PM
Yeah good ammo, smells like piss though. I get rid of the cans ASAP and put the boxes into ammo cans. I've had some corrosion on the cases and got split necks with some of it. Still surefire stuff though.
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Posted: 8/16/2012 11:14:24 PM
Finally got to touch off a box of the stuff today, nice ammo. Hits a couple inches higher at 100 yds than the '77 Bulgarian I've been using but they all went boom, no hard extraction, no split necks or anything. A bit more white smoke though.

Always get a chuckle out of the posts saying "I came across this old ammo from 1992. Is it still safe to fire?"
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Posted: 8/17/2012 9:12:34 AM
Originally Posted By leatherface_y2k:
Originally Posted By mellow01:
I got some same stuff from 1947 from AIM, the stenciling was rubbed off the top of the can , was wondering how to open those cans. i didnt see the 54r with stripper clips on Sportsman Guide site


SGAmmo has the stuff on original soviet strippers. Those things are great! Easiest charge via stripper I've ever seen. One of the offerings on SG has a quick video on how to open these old cans. Wish I'd seen that first. Dude opens one in like 15 seconds.


Yep. I've opened both the spam tins and these and these are by far the easiest. If you use a pair of needle nose pliers and snip off the roll every once in a while, they open as quick as Greek .30-06 tins.
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Posted: 9/28/2012 9:52:44 PM
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I got mine from SG Ammo...........

http://s813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/ma96782/Russian%20ammo%20on%20strippers/

My son uses the ammo with his Mosin and it's still 100% sure fire stuff. He even gave some to his friend with a Mosin and now his friend has strippers too.

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Posted: 10/2/2012 1:40:10 PM
I got one of these from SGAmmo as well.

Question though.

After I opened and removed/relocated its contents, I had a plan to clean the box up and give it to my nephew. Put a hing on the "lid" that came off so he can have an ammo box. He liked the idea.

Is it really not safe to handle? Otherwise I'll give him a .30 can and be done with it. He could spend an hour with windex cleaning it up if I told him to.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:29:02 PM
I get an 880 crate in cans like that. Both were comprised but the ammo was still in great shape.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 8:44:21 PM
Originally Posted By chevellemrwl:
I got one of these from SGAmmo as well.

Question though.

After I opened and removed/relocated its contents, I had a plan to clean the box up and give it to my nephew. Put a hing on the "lid" that came off so he can have an ammo box. He liked the idea.

Is it really not safe to handle? Otherwise I'll give him a .30 can and be done with it. He could spend an hour with windex cleaning it up if I told him to.


Well the solder probably has a lot of lead in it, the galvanized box itself should be no more dangerous than the typical chain link fence post or guardrail. If you look at the inside it should still have that freckled appearance like new galvanizing does. I guess it depends how old he is and whether you think he will spend time licking the lead solder.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 12:14:57 PM
I got an 880 case from the Armory. I transfered the rounds and trashed the cans. Had to really pull that tab to get it open.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 3:11:25 PM
Yeah, total bitch to open. Used vice grips, but the tab ripped off. Ended up hacksawing into the end, then prying the lid off with a brake adjusting spoon.

The little cardboard boxes are massively over-engineered with cardboard padding and twine.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 12:33:18 AM
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Originally Posted By Blankwaffe98:
Most of the Yugoslavian repacked WWII German 7.92x57 and Yugo M49 ammo Ive received in the last 12 years came in the same type tins in wood crates.The Yugo's took it a step further by placing a wire with looped pull ends in the solder joint for opening the can.Simply grab the looped ends and rip the tins top right open.


7.62x39 1980-1990's Surplus Yugo 123 GRAIN I got last year from Ammoman. Same wire with wooden pull. Way easier to open up and no funky white eroded powder.







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