 FishandShoot 
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Posted: 6/14/2012 3:34:22 PM
[Last Edit: 6/14/2012 3:37:37 PM by FishandShoot]
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Copper washed rd came form spam can packed in paper bundles Brass cased came from a spam can in 10rd strippers According to my research and this website http://www.makeyourowngear.com/Articles.php?action=detail&g=content1146681053 they were made made in factory 31 and 61 in year 1966. [quote]Only Chinese factories 31, 71, 311 and 351 made lead core ball. (maybe 61 also, but not sure) Any other Chinese factory code will be steel core. Lead core ball from 31 ALWAYS has a green case mouth seal. My rd has a red seal? Lead core ball from 71 ALWAYS has a knurled crimping groove on the projectile. Lead core ball from 311 and 351 is harder to tell, but generally the rounds have NO case mouth seal or primer seal and date from 1991-1994 The earliest known lead core from 31 is 1990 dated. my rd is dated 1966? The earliest known lead core from 71 is 1988 dated. [/quote] What says the hive? Steel core or lead core? |
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Posted: 6/14/2012 5:24:42 PM
Did you try a magnet? Other than that, tag for someone with more knowledge than I.
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Posted: 6/14/2012 6:24:33 PM
[Last Edit: 6/14/2012 6:29:10 PM by 1Devildog]
Both are steel core. The earliest date known for lead core 7.62x39mm from China is 1988, so anything earlier than that, certainly 1950's, 60's and 70's dates are going to be steel core only...
Is your "brass" cased round actually brass-washed steel? 1DD |
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Posted: 6/14/2012 6:35:58 PM
Originally Posted By 1Devildog:
Both are steel core. The earliest date known for lead core 7.62x39mm from China is 1988, so anything earlier than that, certainly 1950's, 60's and 70's dates are going to be steel core only... Is your "brass" cased round actually brass-washed steel? 1DD Correct, the brass looking case is actually brass washed steel; I just tested the case with a magnet. Thanks for the heads up 1DD. STEEL CORE FTW!!! 
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Posted: 6/14/2012 8:49:39 PM
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I found an odd box at a garage sale last year.
Head stamp 23/63 with copper washed casings and orange painted tips.Im almost certain its Chinese but are these tracers? 20 in the box,in good condition  |
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Posted: 6/16/2012 9:44:24 AM
These are reloaded tracers...reloaded with 7.62 NATO M62 tracers. More than likely they will ignite with no problem. All -39 tracer that I've ever shot or come across in the past 30 + yrs has been green tipped. That also goes for the 7.62x54R tracer, it's green tipped as well, regardless of country of origin. On the ctgs pictured, I'd pay not much more than ball price for them, as most people pull the bullet and reload it with these without trying them to see if they are over pressured or not with the powder load that is in them. Buyer beware, hope this helps somewhat!
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Posted: 6/16/2012 12:37:35 PM
Originally Posted By T18B40:
These are reloaded tracers...reloaded with 7.62 NATO M62 tracers. More than likely they will ignite with no problem. All -39 tracer that I've ever shot or come across in the past 30 + yrs has been green tipped. That also goes for the 7.62x54R tracer, it's green tipped as well, regardless of country of origin. On the ctgs pictured, I'd pay not much more than ball price for them, as most people pull the bullet and reload it with these without trying them to see if they are over pressured or not with the powder load that is in them. Buyer beware, hope this helps somewhat! Thanks, for the info.I only paid $5 for the entire box.Thought they were neat,wont be shooting them though. |
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Posted: 6/16/2012 7:02:21 PM
Definately reloads as was mentioned earlier. Cases are Hungarian, not Chinese.
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Posted: 6/17/2012 12:28:21 AM
Originally Posted By 1Devildog:
Definately reloads as was mentioned earlier. Cases are Hungarian, not Chinese. 1DD Interesting,thanks.Always learn something new here  |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 10:01:33 PM
Easy way to check steel core is pull a bullet the steel core is boat tailed
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Posted: 6/19/2012 9:53:36 PM
Anybody have a guess as to what type of rounds I have here. Magnet does not stick to case but does stick to bullet.
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Posted: 6/19/2012 10:39:55 PM
[Last Edit: 6/19/2012 10:45:22 PM by slopy2nds]
Originally Posted By Vettely:
Anybody have a guess as to what type of rounds I have here. Magnet does not stick to case but does stick to bullet. http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh131/Vettely/mysteryammo002.jpg from the looks of it Egyptian |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 11:20:30 AM
Originally Posted By slopy2nds:
Originally Posted By Vettely:
Anybody have a guess as to what type of rounds I have here. Magnet does not stick to case but does stick to bullet. http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh131/Vettely/mysteryammo002.jpg from the looks of it Egyptian Century Arms "non corrosive" right?! LMAO   
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Posted: 6/20/2012 6:27:53 PM
[Last Edit: 6/20/2012 6:33:33 PM by 1Devildog]
Egyptian. Corrosive primed. Lead cored, bi-metal jacket. Looks to be 1980's vintage, but the number after the "8" is hard to read. Looks to be a "4". There was some non-corrosive Egyptian surplus on the market a few years ago, but this is not that ammuntion.
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Posted: 6/20/2012 6:32:57 PM
Originally Posted By whiskerz:
Easy way to check steel core is pull a bullet the steel core is boat tailed Not a 100% positive way to ID steel core. Lots of lead core 7.62x39mm has a boat tail as well. Mostly Russian, but even some Chinese lead core is boat tailed... With steel core projectiles, the steel core is usually visible at the base. Sometimes there is a little lead covering it, but if you use a small metal pick or knife blade it can be removed to expose the steel. Try scratching it and you can easily see the difference between steel and lead... 1DD |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 7:11:06 PM
Originally Posted By 1Devildog:
Egyptian. Corrosive primed. Lead cored, bi-metal jacket. Looks to be 1980's vintage, but the number after the "8" is hard to read. Looks to be a "4". There was some non-corrosive Egyptian surplus on the market a few years ago, but this is not that ammuntion. 1DD Thanks for the info. Think I'll go ahead and shoot it anyway. |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 9:29:46 PM
Originally Posted By FlyLeaf:
Originally Posted By T18B40:
These are reloaded tracers...reloaded with 7.62 NATO M62 tracers. More than likely they will ignite with no problem. All -39 tracer that I've ever shot or come across in the past 30 + yrs has been green tipped. That also goes for the 7.62x54R tracer, it's green tipped as well, regardless of country of origin. On the ctgs pictured, I'd pay not much more than ball price for them, as most people pull the bullet and reload it with these without trying them to see if they are over pressured or not with the powder load that is in them. Buyer beware, hope this helps somewhat! Thanks, for the info.I only paid $5 for the entire box.Thought they were neat,wont be shooting them though. As a reloader, I know that most people don't shoot other peoples reloads from estate sales, gifts etc.. because as they say, you just don't know. On the other hand, I also know that most shooters think reloaders make better, more consistent and more accurate ammo than factories. So.... given that, and knowing factory ammo blows up guns too, I never understood why shooting people's reloads is bad. Because those two statements are counter to each other. I bet if you weigh them all, they will all be very close. And if so.. I'd also bet they are perfectly safe to shoot. Of course, not a recommendation or guarantee, just an observation and discussion. Personally, that's what I would do before I'd tear them apart, work up a new load etc... Why buy them if not to take the risk? Again just a discussion.. not trying to say I dare you to.. no peer pressure... |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 11:09:11 AM
[Last Edit: 6/23/2012 11:11:39 AM by mgwantob]
Originally Posted By Cycline3:
Originally Posted By FlyLeaf:
Originally Posted By T18B40:
These are reloaded tracers...reloaded with 7.62 NATO M62 tracers. More than likely they will ignite with no problem. All -39 tracer that I've ever shot or come across in the past 30 + yrs has been green tipped. That also goes for the 7.62x54R tracer, it's green tipped as well, regardless of country of origin. On the ctgs pictured, I'd pay not much more than ball price for them, as most people pull the bullet and reload it with these without trying them to see if they are over pressured or not with the powder load that is in them. Buyer beware, hope this helps somewhat! Thanks, for the info.I only paid $5 for the entire box.Thought they were neat,wont be shooting them though. As a reloader, I know that most people don't shoot other peoples reloads from estate sales, gifts etc.. because as they say, you just don't know. On the other hand, I also know that most shooters think reloaders make better, more consistent and more accurate ammo than factories. So.... given that, and knowing factory ammo blows up guns too, I never understood why shooting people's reloads is bad. Because those two statements are counter to each other. I bet if you weigh them all, they will all be very close. And if so.. I'd also bet they are perfectly safe to shoot. Of course, not a recommendation or guarantee, just an observation and discussion. Personally, that's what I would do before I'd tear them apart, work up a new load etc... Why buy them if not to take the risk? Again just a discussion.. not trying to say I dare you to.. no peer pressure... I've never seen factory loaded ammo ever cause an issue in the firearm it was made for. However, I have seen several near death instances of reloads at several local ranges over the years. Both pistols and rifles kaboom. It's always those "custom" hot loads. Or the dumbass who loads pistol powder in his rifle cartridges because he likes the "flash". Or my favorite, the redneck who loads smokeless pistol powder in his muzzle loader: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLL4-i7iSho |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 11:04:20 PM
Originally Posted By Cycline3:
Originally Posted By FlyLeaf:
Originally Posted By T18B40:
These are reloaded tracers...reloaded with 7.62 NATO M62 tracers. More than likely they will ignite with no problem. All -39 tracer that I've ever shot or come across in the past 30 + yrs has been green tipped. That also goes for the 7.62x54R tracer, it's green tipped as well, regardless of country of origin. On the ctgs pictured, I'd pay not much more than ball price for them, as most people pull the bullet and reload it with these without trying them to see if they are over pressured or not with the powder load that is in them. Buyer beware, hope this helps somewhat! Thanks, for the info.I only paid $5 for the entire box.Thought they were neat,wont be shooting them though. As a reloader, I know that most people don't shoot other peoples reloads from estate sales, gifts etc.. because as they say, you just don't know. On the other hand, I also know that most shooters think reloaders make better, more consistent and more accurate ammo than factories. So.... given that, and knowing factory ammo blows up guns too, I never understood why shooting people's reloads is bad. Because those two statements are counter to each other. I bet if you weigh them all, they will all be very close. And if so.. I'd also bet they are perfectly safe to shoot. Of course, not a recommendation or guarantee, just an observation and discussion. Personally, that's what I would do before I'd tear them apart, work up a new load etc... Why buy them if not to take the risk? Again just a discussion.. not trying to say I dare you to.. no peer pressure... Well i figured they were odd and they might be tracers.If Zombies start to attack im going to try them out.Heck for $5 just the mystery of them was worth it. Anybody know how many yards or meters it takes for a 7.62x39 tracer to ignite so you can see it?Im assuming at least 100yards or more? |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 9:18:12 PM
Originally Posted By FlyLeaf:
Anybody know how many yards or meters it takes for a 7.62x39 tracer to ignite so you can see it?Im assuming at least 100yards or more? With the M62 tipped reloads you have, about 200m before they light. |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 6:57:07 PM
I've never seen factory loaded ammo ever cause an issue in the firearm it was made for.
You haven't looked very hard then.. there's a huge thread on the AR side right now about Hornady killing a brand new Colt 6920. Plus there's this humanistic idea of, it's never happened to me.. so it can't happen.. which once you get with the program and realize there are 7 billion people on the planet... you know is just not plain good thinking... |
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